Crusherrrrs.

[caleeb101]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary): Crushers need a nerf in my opinion. Too versatile for what they are supposed to be. They can decap PMC's in three slashes at mature level. A rhino like being has claws? Surely all their attacks would be blunt force..? Unless that's just me.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole): It'll make crushers be used for what they are supposed to be used for: defence.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc): Basically, it would make them almost useless at combat except for on the counter attack. Their main use would be tanking and defence which is in my opinion what they are supposed to be used for. Literally just nerf crusher slash damage so hard that it's barely worth using it. That's all it is. This way, they can't tackle, slash. Or stomp, slash. Or charge, stomp, hugger, slash. There are too many combos I can think of already. Way too versatile. They can: Hunt, Tank, Attack and stun. Hell, I never see a ravager lead a push unless it's like Elite+. It's always a crusher. But the worst thing about it is their slash so.. if that's gone it will be a little more tolerable.

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): Nerf the slash through coding I guess.

I expect a lot of hate for trying to do this.

[Derpislav]

Their damage is actually pretty low. Their tackle is the longest non-queen tackle AFAIK, though. And that's infuriating as shit.

[CrimsonAerospace]

Negatory com padre.

Crushers are a very niche role in the Hive. While they are virtually bullet proof from the front, even as a Young they can deflect them like nerf darts, they are not that armored from the sides. And while explosives don't effect them, flames do way more damage now, and they DO effect them. Not just that, but I personally have gotten into a knife fight with a Crusher and gibbed it on half health in 3 slashes.

I think our dear Crusher is right where it needs to be.

[Harakoni warhawk]

Negatory com padre.

Crushers are a very niche role in the Hive. While they are virtually bullet proof from the front, even as a Young they can deflect them like nerf darts, they are not that armored from the sides. And while explosives don't effect them, flames do way more damage now, and they DO effect them. Not just that, but I personally have gotten into a knife fight with a Crusher and gibbed it on half health in 3 slashes.

I think our dear Crusher is right where it needs to be.

Implying Crushers don't moonwalk like they are the second coming of Michael Jackson.
It's broken as fuck combined with its stupidly long tackle and broken deflection.
Shit like this shouldn't be possible:
'Elite Crusher deflects Armour piercing bullet from its heavily armoured head' While facing the other way, did that for half my fucking mag of AP rounds.

[CrimsonAerospace]

Implying Crushers don't moonwalk like they are the second coming of Michael Jackson.
It's broken as fuck combined with its stupidly long tackle and broken deflection.
Shit like this shouldn't be possible:
'Elite Crusher deflects Armour piercing bullet from its heavily armoured head' While facing the other way, did that for half my fucking mag of AP rounds.

A, if it's Moonwalking, flame it, SADAR it, kite it out
B, if it's BROKEN, report the bugs you encounter. And it also has the shortest tackle timer.
C, Depending on how far away you were, Aliens can still deflect AP. And I doubt it was facing away and blocked it, lag can sometimes not update sprites correctly.

[CrimsonAerospace]

Implying Crushers don't moonwalk like they are the second coming of Michael Jackson.
It's broken as fuck combined with its stupidly long tackle and broken deflection.
Shit like this shouldn't be possible:
'Elite Crusher deflects Armour piercing bullet from its heavily armoured head' While facing the other way, did that for half my fucking mag of AP rounds.

A, if it's Moonwalking, flame it, SADAR it, kite it out
B, if it's BROKEN, report the bugs you encounter. And it also has the shortest tackle timer.
C, Depending on how far away you were, Aliens can still deflect AP. And I doubt it was facing away and blocked it, lag can sometimes not update sprites correctly.

[Harakoni warhawk]

A, if it's Moonwalking, flame it, SADAR it, kite it out
B, if it's BROKEN, report the bugs you encounter. And it also has the shortest tackle timer.
C, Depending on how far away you were, Aliens can still deflect AP. And I doubt it was facing away and blocked it, lag can sometimes not update sprites correctly.

A: how do I kite a Crusher Moonwalking while going away from me?
:B It's bug abuse when a Crusher drags a Marine away, tacklespamming while turning 180 faster than a bullet to bounce the rounds, but according to the Admins it's not a bug.... Somehow.
C: I was 4 tiles from it and it was facing the other way the entire time it took to empty 20 rounds into it, that's not Lag, that's simply broken.

[Toroic]

Holy strawmen and lies in here. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Either you have no idea what you're talking about, or you're deliberately lying.

Mature crushers do /not/ decap anyone in three slashes. In fact, they can't reliably decap at all, they miss and hit other bodyparts. Their slashes are weak as hell until elite, and pmc armor still takes like a dozen slashes to kill.

Crushers aren't "nigh bulletproof" until elite. Young deflect like 1/3 of bullets, which isn't enough to effectively block for other xenos.

Also, there's nothing wrong with "moonwalking." If marines can run and shoot and pull while dual wielding a weapon a 4 legged creature can walk backwards.

Assuming equal skill, you won't be able to solo a crusher. The game does not work unless the fewer xenos are more powerful individually, because marines usually outnumber them 3:1. Crushers have a good tackle because all t3 have a good tackle. You don't see it used as much because other T3 can just kill you.

[Azmodan412]

As a newly discovered Praetorian main, I am in support of keeping Crushers where they are. I love my thick armored rhino buddies.

[Harakoni warhawk]

It's not Xenos walking backwards I'm saying is a bug, it's when Crushes do constant 360 spins to deflect bullets while tacklespamming a Marine getting dragged.

THAT is bug abuse, not including bullets still deflecting off Crushers heads even when pointing the other way.

It's not a strawman and it's not a lie, what is a lie is when Admins say it's not a bug, 'Xenos are allowed to do it'
Like the oh so wonderful 'Xeno's can't Metarush' comment some Admins love throwing about.

It doesn't help when Admins mark ahelp about it, 'no response necessary'
If Marines meta rush the Admins either make the water toxic or start bwoinking Marines to tell them to stop.
No offense Toroic, but that happens with distressing regularity.
I don't do that broken Crusher Moonwalking as Xeno because I consider it Bug abuse even if the Admins don't.

[Toroic]

It's not Xenos walking backwards I'm saying is a bug, it's when Crushes do constant 360 spins to deflect bullets while tacklespamming a Marine getting dragged.

THAT is bug abuse, not including bullets still deflecting off Crushers heads even when pointing the other way.

It's not a strawman and it's not a lie, what is a lie is when Admins say it's not a bug, 'Xenos are allowed to do it'
Like the oh so wonderful 'Xeno's can't Metarush' comment some Admins love throwing about.

It doesn't help when Admins mark ahelp about it, 'no response necessary'
If Marines meta rush the Admins either make the water toxic or start bwoinking Marines to tell them to stop.
No offense Toroic, but that happens with distressing regularity.
I don't do that broken Crusher Moonwalking as Xeno because I consider it Bug abuse even if the Admins don't.

It's absurd that you think that staff don't have the final say on what is and is not bug abuse.

[YungCuz]

How is it bug abuse if your rapidly clicking in one direction of the gunfire.
And sure the 360 spin is BS but its how it works. Theres no bugs involved with that at all.

[MrJJJ]

Didin't Apop say he will do something about crusher 360's? like, something that both buffs them, and nerfs that?

[Harakoni warhawk]

Didin't Apop say he will do something about crusher 360's? like, something that both buffs them, and nerfs that?

Do you have a link to that?
Anything that gets rid of that 360 cancer is a good thing, stopping it being the only fucking thing Crushers when dragging Marines away is a good thing.

[MrJJJ]

Do you have a link to that?
Anything that gets rid of that 360 cancer is a good thing, stopping it being the only fucking thing Crushers when dragging Marines away is a good thing.

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[Harakoni warhawk]

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Apop has spoken, that's a relief in regards to Crushers.

Consider me mollified in regards to Crusher balance, for the moment anyway.

[Swagile]

Yeah, crushers are actually REALLY easy to kill, I don't see what your problem with them is.

Even before the nerf, if marines had the balls, all they had to do is rush past the crusher, take out their bayonet, and wait for the crusher to stomp. Once it stomps, surround the crusher and its helpless to your 100% armor penetration knife damage.

With the buff to fire (and fire being a primary weakness to crushers) you can now solo elite crushers with just a flame thrower as long as you don't get stomped due to how slow crushers are and how far fire goes (and stays on the crusher).

Now RAVS, heh... now that is something to complain about, but this isn't a thread about ravs.

[caleeb101]

Holy strawmen and lies in here. Some of you should be ashamed of yourselves. Either you have no idea what you're talking about, or you're deliberately lying.

Mature crushers do /not/ decap anyone in three slashes. In fact, they can't reliably decap at all, they miss and hit other bodyparts. Their slashes are weak as hell until elite, and pmc armor still takes like a dozen slashes to kill.

Crushers aren't "nigh bulletproof" until elite. Young deflect like 1/3 of bullets, which isn't enough to effectively block for other xenos.

Also, there's nothing wrong with "moonwalking." If marines can run and shoot and pull while dual wielding a weapon a 4 legged creature can walk backwards.

Assuming equal skill, you won't be able to solo a crusher. The game does not work unless the fewer xenos are more powerful individually, because marines usually outnumber them 3:1. Crushers have a good tackle because all t3 have a good tackle. You don't see it used as much because other T3 can just kill you.

My eyes did NOT deceive me. I saw a PMC tackled, dragged and then decapitated with three slashes from a mature crusher. I should have taken a screenshot. I will if I see it again. I had been watching him the whole time as well and there wasn't much damage dealt to the PMC prior to that event. I'm unsure if already existing damage makes it easier to decap but if it does, even that was not a factor in this situation.

[YungCuz]

My eyes did NOT deceive me. I saw a PMC tackled, dragged and then decapitated with three slashes from a mature crusher. I should have taken a screenshot. I will if I see it again. I had been watching him the whole time as well and there wasn't much damage dealt to the PMC prior to that event. I'm unsure if already existing damage makes it easier to decap but if it does, even that was not a factor in this situation.

Was it a PMC Standard? cause they usually have shit tier head armor.

[Miranda]

Was it a PMC Standard? cause they usually have shit tier head armor.

Is it caps or berets?

[YungCuz]

Is it caps or berets?

Caps.

[MrJJJ]

Was it a PMC Standard? cause they usually have shit tier head armor.

You sure its not the Snipers? they have 1 hugger protection, so i might be wrong on their protection against damage

[Snypehunter007]

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