Setg'in'h'dlak Yautja Application

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 12 Feb 2017, 15:19

Byond ID: Xxxretroxgears3

Marine Name (so we know who you are, if you play alien mostly, state that here): Emeila Cals

Name of the character you want whitelisted (The name your predator will use. This must match your in-game predator name): Setg'in'h'dlak

Are you familiar with the Predator Code Of Honor? Yes, Yes I am.

Character background (A very BRIEF description of your predators background):

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How do you intend to play your predator (as in, describe HOW you will act/play your predator. This will weigh HEAVILY and frequently breaking from this MAY result in removal)? I plan on doing something different than most Yautja, my main weapon will be abusing emotions that the player may have RPly and OOCly. Everyone knows the feeling of, hey Pred, let me try and robust it. Or the person that roleplays shitting their pants. With Setg'in'h'dlak I want him to look at them, and use them, possibly lead them away from the group, or single someone out. In my story I feel like I did a good job of showing how I can do this, IE: Fire my Plasma Caster towards them, not hitting them, to make them run, and see what they do. Have RP elements, such as placing a laser pointer on someone's head, there are many things I feel like I can do. If hellhounds are ever added I will immediately find a way to integrate them into my play style.

Why should we whitelist you? I think you should whitelist me because I would make a good addition to the whitelist, I feel that my character has a special play style and would be cool to see in the game, instead of ''RNG Combat'' I could have more ''RP Combat'' in a way. ((I really don't know if that makes sense)) I have been a member of CM dating from the early days of pre-alpha, although that does not make me a +1 right away, I think it counts that in that time frame I have only had three notes here.

Have you been banned from CM in the last month for any reason (we will check, and lies may result in immediate denial)? No, I know for sure.

Are you currently banned from any other servers and if so, why? Griefing on Hippie.

Do you understand that any player - donor or otherwise - can have their whitelist status revoked should they break our rules or disobey the Predator Code of Honor? Of course, no one is exempt.

PLAYER CONCERNS BEFORE YOU EVEN POST THEM ((I want to address a few points)):

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shyshadow · Post by **shyshadow** » 12 Feb 2017, 16:42

*Places on Glasses*
Okay, so I have a big problem with this application, it's not bad, I see you put effort, but it's not good to the point I'd like this. Also due to the fact the Backstory is extremely cluttered and random, and has no form of progression I feel it's a really lack luster of a application, I see you put effort into it, but it's not good. An Forum activity is fine, TBH, but how you intend on playing, is extremely standard, and I don't trust you enough to give you this responsibility, mostly because the entire application wasn't done really well, but it's weird.
In regards why you should receive the whitelist I feel should fall under your hunting style, attempting to hunt Via Roleplay, isn't going to work as it should considering most Marines are just gun happy nerds. Anyway, it's still faulty considering this tactic should be done all the time by every predator.

I'm sorry, but I'm gonna have to give a-1

Boltersam · Post by **Boltersam** » 12 Feb 2017, 16:43

You've asked that the forum activity issue not be addressed, but I will make a small note on it. Nearly half of your posts are in your Commander app.

Reading the story, some grammar problems here and there, but nothing major. But, then we get into the actual content.

First, the training duel. Nothing majorly wrong. However, we then get to the first hunt. First of all, your Predator, who is a Youngblood at this time in the story, has a plasma caster. If you've checked out how the class system in Yautja society works, you'll see what's wrong with this right away. Then you make it seem like cloaking works on Xenos, and killing one, even a Runner, is a piece of cake for a Youngblood armed with only wristblades and light armour, both made out of shitty, non acid proof metal specifically for Youngbloods.

Then, your Predator, presumably blooded by now, ambushes a group of the highly trained, well armed, elite Wetland Yutani PMCs, uncloaks, jumps down, and wades through their armour piercing fire like it doesn't do shit. Not to mention he gets some of them to run away with a fancy lightshow and some roaring.

Moving on to how you want to play, it's not all that special, and boils down to trying to scare them with plasma caster shots not aimed at them. And that's it. Side note on the "RP combat": You don't have time to write a three line long emote about what you're doing in the middle of fighting.

I don't think you're suitable for the Predator whitelist. -1.

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 12 Feb 2017, 17:00

Boltersam wrote:You've asked that the forum activity issue not be addressed, but I will make a small note on it. Nearly half of your posts are in your Commander app.

Reading the story, some grammar problems here and there, but nothing major. But, then we get into the actual content.

First, the training duel. Nothing majorly wrong. However, we then get to the first hunt. First of all, your Predator, who is a Youngblood at this time in the story, has a plasma caster. If you've checked out how the class system in Yautja society works, you'll see what's wrong with this right away. Then you make it seem like cloaking works on Xenos, and killing one, even a Runner, is a piece of cake for a Youngblood armed with only wristblades and light armour, both made out of shitty, non acid proof metal specifically for Youngbloods.

Then, your Predator, presumably blooded by now, ambushes a group of the highly trained, well armed, elite Wetland Yutani PMCs, uncloaks, jumps down, and wades through their armour piercing fire like it doesn't do shit. Not to mention he gets some of them to run away with a fancy lightshow and some roaring.

Moving on to how you want to play, it's not all that special, and boils down to trying to scare them with plasma caster shots not aimed at them. And that's it. Side note on the "RP combat": You don't have time to write a three line long emote about what you're doing in the middle of fighting.

I don't think you're suitable for the Predator whitelist. -1.

At this time he is currently not a young blood, although when you become a bloodied you mainly hunt xenomorphs, I wanted to personally not right about them, for me writing about xenomorphs is cool and all but I try to avoid it, I am sure if I went down to the roots of hunters I could, but there are too many factors in it that do not confuse me, but what I need to take into play and at sometimes not be happy about when I write, Also, I never specified anything about ''Elite Weyland Yutanti PMCS'' and armor-piercing fire, that is really bending it. I just said. PMC's IE they are firing randomly, if a plasma weapon was shot at you, kicked up dust, got in your eyes, I would spray everywhere, up down left and right, yes a few bullets may have hit me, but that is what happens on the hunt you get injured, and there was not a shit ton after they ran away. If I heard a roar I would be frightened and assume it is wildlife. But after I see this bolt come at me, explode in my face, dust everywhere, I would shit my pants and run not only that, you can assume that thing roaring, is the one that shot it. ''Light work'' is not a good way to picture it. You need to have the perspective of a person there. Forum activity thing, you are right, but as I said I will be working on it and adding community feedback as stated. My idea for ''Roleplay combat'' is simple, I am not going to write a whole three sentences of what I am going to do, I plan on making it about a few words to a sentence, my hunting style will focus on the marines/xenos its self, and adapting to what they think, seen, and done. My play style will be a lot more than ''firing my plasma caster at them'' my tactics will be to shake them up, get them angry, want them to hunt me, so I can pick them off, and work it around that.

I can easily see where you are coming from, but putting details in my story is something that I don't like. I do know you as a Yautja, and you are extremely well behaved and respected, I like watching you, and you help the new players, I hope this has cleared up any confusion with my story and playstyle. Thank you for your feed back.

shyshadow · Post by **shyshadow** » 12 Feb 2017, 17:07

I do see what you're trying to get at Retro, but it's not the problem of you, it's the problem whole idea in itself. It doesn't add to your character's Personality, it doesn't define you as a single hunter, it's just you being like the rest, only using a slightly more evil method against the Marines, as well, it seems your hunt is sided against the Marines. Mostly because Xenomorphs aren't scared of anything, they kill until they're dead, so what are you gonna do then for Xenomorphs?

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 12 Feb 2017, 17:20

shyshadow wrote:I do see what you're trying to get at Retro, but it's not the problem of you, it's the problem whole idea in itself. It doesn't add to your character's Personality, it doesn't define you as a single hunter, it's just you being like the rest, only using a slightly more evil method against the Marines, as well, it seems your hunt is sided against the Marines. Mostly because Xenomorphs aren't scared of anything, they kill until they're dead, so what are you gonna do then for Xenomorphs?

For xenos I feel I can do the same thing, using their idea of, FOR THE QUEEN, against them, my Yautja will be extremely adaptive, but will never, ever, stray from the whole idea, xenos want hosts, they also want the strongest, as per being the strongest they will want me. Which allows me to hunt them in the same way. I will always hunt the winning side. For me, as a personality, I see him as cunning, and observative. It takes a lot to know what makes someone or something to tick, and my Yautja will focus on this.

shyshadow wrote: Okay, so I have a big problem with this application, it's not bad, I see you put effort, but it's not good to the point I'd like this. Also due to the fact the Backstory is extremely cluttered and random, and has no form of progression I feel it's a really lack luster of a application, I see you put effort into it, but it's not good. An Forum activity is fine, TBH, but how you intend on playing, is extremely standard, and I don't trust you enough to give you this responsibility, mostly because the entire application wasn't done really well, but it's weird.
In regards why you should receive the whitelist I feel should fall under your hunting style, attempting to hunt Via Roleplay, isn't going to work as it should considering most Marines are just gun happy nerds. Anyway, it's still faulty considering this tactic should be done all the time by every predator.

As stated I am really not the best writer, I have been working on this application for a while, two months, I have tried to get feedback from the Yautja community and friends and such trying to improve on the things I do wrong, you were one, I took your feedback and tried to see what you said and added to my back story. I can see the lackluster part, but trust me, I have put my full effort into creating this application, and I will try to get accepted no matter what. They way I do plan on playing I have never seen within the active community, but my hunting style will be primarily on abusing emotions. I always try my best in what I sign up for, if this application does not get accepted, you will easily see me three months from now with another. Even if the marines are ''gun happy nerds'' and Yautjas on CM do not do it often ((from what I have seen)) I will try my best to RP, even this the marines are all Unga Dunga. I am sure some players will like it for a change, and hopefully they go through with it. It may be wishful and hopeful, but I believe in the community to RP even at times when they don't care and go Rambo.

Boltersam · Post by **Boltersam** » 13 Feb 2017, 03:02

Retro wrote:Also, I never specified anything about ''Elite Weyland Yutanti PMCS'' and armor-piercing fire, that is really bending it. I just said. PMC's

You didn't, but you specified that they were PMCs. The elite private infantry of Wetland Yutani.

Retro wrote:But after I see this bolt come at me, dust everywhere, I would shit my pants and run not only that, you can assume the thing roaring is the one that shot it

True, but you're not part of a highly trained private military unit given top-notch equipment whose first instinct would be to shoot back. They wouldn't shoot randomly, either. Remember the highly trained part? That's disciplined AP fire that your Predator is trying to wade through. He's dead.

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 13 Feb 2017, 09:33

Boltersam wrote:You didn't, but you specified that they were PMCs. The elite private infantry of Wetland Yutani.

True, but you're not part of a highly trained private military unit given top-notch equipment whose first instinct would be to shoot back. They wouldn't shoot randomly, either. Remember the highly trained part? That's disciplined AP fire that your Predator is trying to wade through. He's dead.

As I said, just PMC you do realize there is more than PMC group in the world, and infact because yautjas live for hundreds to thousands of years, this could of taken place before weyland yutanti, I wrote a hunt I wanted to make. For me I am proud of it. I am sorry if my use of PMC confused you, I will make sure to do mercenary group next time. Even though you can still make the same argument.

Lets move on to the highly trained part. I never even discribed the PMCS in this way. You out details in my story. If you are still confused I apologize. But reframe from assuming details. If you have any more concerns let me known.

Boltersam · Post by **Boltersam** » 13 Feb 2017, 11:31

Retro wrote:As I said, just PMC you do realize there is more than PMC group in the world, and infact because yautjas live for hundreds to thousands of years, this could of taken place before weyland yutanti, I wrote a hunt I wanted to make. For me I am proud of it. I am sorry if my use of PMC confused you, I will make sure to do mercenary group next time. Even though you can still make the same argument.

Lets move on to the highly trained part. I never even discribed the PMCS in this way. You out details in my story. If you are still confused I apologize. But reframe from assuming details. If you have any more concerns let me known.

I'm not assuming. All PMCs are highly trained elite taskforces used by companies, Weyland Yutani or not, highly trained and very well armed. I'm not going to tell you what to use in your story, but PMCs would be a bad example to use. However, I'm remaining firm on my verdict. I don't think you're suited to the Predator Whitelist, and it's not because of the little details like whether your Predator hunted a squad of PMCs or random mercenaries. It's the tactics and mindset demonstrated in it that I take issue with.

Scrat505 · Post by **Scrat505** » 13 Feb 2017, 14:15

The backstory, as Bolter has made quite clear, is pretty unlikely. Ingame and realistically alike, charging a group of foolhardy armed people is just going to get you killed. With addition of the xeno scene prior, both the combat scenarios are pretty unrealistic and would be difficult for a single Yautja.

The playstyle in theory sounds interesting, but the lack of examples given gives off an uninspired playstyle that the backstory and Why question does not outweigh.

I feel like if, in the future, the combat scenarios are written more realistically and the idea of psychological warfare explored more, it could be a real piece of work. But with what we have now, I have to give a -1.

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 13 Feb 2017, 16:40

Boltersam wrote:I'm not assuming. All PMCs are highly trained elite taskforces used by companies, Weyland Yutani or not, highly trained and very well armed. I'm not going to tell you what to use in your story, but PMCs would be a bad example to use. However, I'm remaining firm on my verdict. I don't think you're suited to the Predator Whitelist, and it's not because of the little details like whether your Predator hunted a squad of PMCs or random mercenaries. It's the tactics and mindset demonstrated in it that I take issue with.

You do realize not all PMCs/mercs are not high trained, and or very well armed, I'll take an example from a anime Gundam, second series. In this, we have a merc group, PMC's they take missions. If I were to describe it, they were not organized, trained at all. This is just another example. Now you come out and tell me it is the tactics and mindset. First off, you believe that cornering a prey, so you can hunt it down for sure is a problem. Not only this but separating a large amount of them, to hunt the ones you want? If a single squad has around 8 people for say and I hunted them normally while in an arrow, I would die. So by me placing my laser pointer on one of them, then firing my plasma caster AROUND them, to create dust, and make some of them off. Is a problem, then what is acceptable. Yautjas, as seen, have hunting styles. Their main goal is natural selection, even among themselves. My Yautja has found his way to being strong. If you do not like my play style that is ok, I really can't change your mind about things like that. Everything else I can easily show you where you went wrong, and explain. If you were to tell me why you don't like it, I can easily tell you my point of view and show you the way I think. The way may Yautja hunts makes perfect sense in my head, but for you, it may not. The way I want to play is more than a show, just saying how I am will confuse people and start controversy. But for me, if I could show you. I am sure I can easily change your mind 100%

Scrat505 wrote:The backstory, as Bolter has made quite clear, is pretty unlikely. Ingame and realistically alike, charging a group of foolhardy armed people is just going to get you killed. With addition of the xeno scene prior, both the combat scenarios are pretty unrealistic and would be difficult for a single Yautja.

The playstyle in theory sounds interesting, but the lack of examples given gives off an uninspired playstyle that the backstory and Why question does not outweigh.

I feel like if, in the future, the combat scenarios are written more realistically and the idea of psychological warfare explored more, it could be a real piece of work. But with what we have now, I have to give a -1.

I did not write about a xenomorph, no offense but how is in unrealistic, a fully charge plasma caster can explode, destroy reinforced walls, and easily go through armor. My goal was to not, hit them in the first combat scene, but to lead them to a place where I can more easily hunt them. In which I did. While rewatching Alien vs Predator requiem, a single Yautja took on quite a few xenomorphs in CQC combat. I personally do not know the ranking of that Yautja, nor have I read any comic books due to me not having access to them. Charging foolhardy into an armed squad may seem reckless but as stated in one of my other comments. When it hits the ground, dust will rise, creating a cloud around them. Causing them to fire randomly where it came from. Although I do admit I made a mistake in my writing about him running Banzi in, which was not my //true\\ intention forestay, I would presume as the writer you would think he would have taken charge in a bit more tactically. By not where charging directly where the fire is. But finding a blind spot. It is my mistake personally in the story. Nothing I can do now to change it.

For the playstyle and the last concern. My lack of examples in my story is noticeable to say which does give off as ''uninspired'' and not throughout. I can think of almost an endless possibilities in ways I can make the marines / xenos want to kill me, run away, capture me, etc. I'll list a few.

Marines: Examples:

Use of plasma caster to draw out/scare, run, and separate marines, allowing me to take out on without taking on a full squad right away.

Extension of the last one. After hunting a marine and taking its trophy. Hold up its head/drag the body to make them want to get me, resulting in the same situation of fear/anger

Point my laser pointer on a marine with /me to make it seem like they are going to be shot at. Causing them panic. I will do this when there are 1-3 marines.

Xenos:

Slaying a powerful Xeno such as an Elite Hunter/Ravager or queen. After doing this the xenos will see I would make a powerful host, and will actively try and hunt me, and also players want to show how ''robust'' they are so they would.

Showing to the xeno's I am an active threat, making them more defensive and passive because if I wanted to I could possibly kill their queen.

These are ones I can just have off of the top of my head without thinking hard about it. My Yautja will be adaptive, and observant, taking the best possible action to have a successful hunt, and get the strongest prey anywhere.

As said in my concerns, I am not the best of writers, I have really bad writer's block, I get it often, and when I do I make mistakes, I have tried to get feedback from multiple people in the Yautja community, as well as friends who have made applications. Writing combat scenes is even harder, I have looked up how to, and the basic steps of action writing, but I would prefer to leave the main bulk up to the reader on how I took them out, but I prefer writing the setup, to give context on what has happened.

Boltersam · Post by **Boltersam** » 13 Feb 2017, 16:57

Retro wrote:Snip

So.
Let me reiterate.
PMCs in the Aliens and Aliens vs Predator universe are not the same as PMCs from a COMPLETELY UNRELATED ANIME ABOUT GIANT MECH SUITS.
Okay?

The issues I have with your play style and mindset I'd that it seems like you've never seen an in game Predator. Plasmacaster shots do not scare Marines. They won't run away, they'll shoot at you. You seem (Because I can't read your thoughts), to believe that Predators can rush in and murder everyone and emerge with barely a scratch, only badass, light, non vital scar-causing facial wounds.

This is not the case.

You did get one part right: Singling off one from the pack to hunt or duel. But you got the method wrong. Plasmacaster shots get them to swarm you.

Now, moving on to the Xeno part, bringing the ire of the ENTIRE HIVE upon you will get you killed, get other Predators killed, and/or piss them off. Assuming you can even beat said Elite+ Hunter, or T3.

PS: I saw that you included the Queen as a hunting target. Suicidal, and if you do succeed, you cripple the entire Xeno side.

PPS: Your stated method of scaring marines was almost completely plasmacaster focused.

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 13 Feb 2017, 17:24

Boltersam wrote:So.
Let me reiterate.
PMCs in the Aliens and Aliens vs Predator universe are not the same as PMCs from a COMPLETELY UNRELATED ANIME ABOUT GIANT MECH SUITS.
Okay?

The issues I have with your play style and mindset I'd that it seems like you've never seen an in game Predator. Plasmacaster shots do not scare Marines. They won't run away, they'll shoot at you. You seem (Because I can't read your thoughts), to believe that Predators can rush in and murder everyone and emerge with barely a scratch, only badass, light, non vital scar-causing facial wounds.

This is not the case.

You did get one part right: Singling off one from the pack to hunt or duel. But you got the method wrong. Plasmacaster shots get them to swarm you.

Now, moving on to the Xeno part, bringing the ire of the ENTIRE HIVE upon you will get you killed, get other Predators killed, and/or piss them off. Assuming you can even beat said Elite+ Hunter, or T3.

PS: I saw that you included the Queen as a hunting target. Suicidal, and if you do succeed, you cripple the entire Xeno side.

PPS: Your stated method of scaring marines was almost completely plasmacaster focused.

Just an example, I am not saying PMC's from Gundam is like this, I was just giving an example I have personally. I have seen pred's in the game. ''Plasmacaster shots do not scare marines'' this is an experience I can't have, now that you tell me this I can work on adjusting it, I am not whitelisted as a Yautja, so I can't have Yautja experiences other than the ones I have as a marine, or the brief ones I watch of you. I personally as a marine try to act scared of a weapon that can instantly kill me if it desired but, you know marines and the Unga Dunga. Even if they swarm me some are bound to stay back in not wanting to chase me for robustness and do not want to be instantly killed by it. Which is my goal, to see what makes marines tick, observe them, watch them, then see what I can do to single a person out, and or head to that person and hunt them. I know Predators can die easily, I have seen it, and I know not to just run into a sentry, and a squad of marines trying to finish off the prey I will die getting, and not even succeed in hunting, because well, I am dead. I know predators are not the embodiment of ''ultimate badass'' or ''Chuck Noris'' who can just waltz into shit, take 100 bullets or Deadpool and just ''magically'' heal even after his body is atomized. They can die just as easily as anyone else, and as I said, they are the best picture of Natural Selection. The weak die and the strong life, being weak minded or stupid applies to them. They need to be one step ahead like a Chess Grandmaster about to finally finish his opponent off.

For the xeno part. My goal is not to bring the ''entire hive'' to my location, it is for me to have a few of them, one or two try and capture me. I will never take on a whole hive, that A. Just gives them a free Predalien and B. Reckless. I want them to be weary of me, which is what I meant by defensive and passive. It is every Yajuta's goal to one day become an Adjudicator. To prove, they are the best of the best. Taking a queen on is very dangerous, and I will not do it until I am experienced enough, or I must, crippling the xeno's majorly is not my intention, but my intention is to prove myself worthy of becoming a Bloody, Elite, etc. Kinda went off topic, but I want the xenos to make sure to know I am there, forcing them to be a bit more conservative in the way they play/act. It is just another way I can abuse their emotions/instinct.

PSS. I did? That is not even close to my intention if I did. Using a Plasma Caster is frowned upon the Yautja society, but I think what I meant was an example I can do.

shyshadow · Post by **shyshadow** » 13 Feb 2017, 19:48

Retro wrote:Using a Plasma Caster is frowned upon the Yautja society, but I think what I meant was an example I can do.

Just a little note, I read the entire "discussion", I feel like you seem to forget exactly what the Plasma Caster is, and does, I'm not trying to sound rude, but I probably will. The Plasma-caster fires, obviously, in itself fires, you guessed it plasma. How you attempt to set our the Plasma-caster to be, is in a sense odd, obviously it's not your intent, but how exactly can a super heated substance, move dust? If they're only small bolts attempting to strike fear into them, would they not just enter the ground and maybe burn it? If the intent is not to kill, then how was dust formed?
Because if the dust is close enough to cause panic and distorted vision, would the plasma's blast radius not effect them? I would think it would, considering how you make it out to be, as well as how your Yautja makes dust when they land, I would presume you would be a form of desert, but as reading it clearly, it's a jungle, if anything there would just be dirt and maybe grass, possibly. It's all so contradicting, which is another big aspect, as well as the play style, I see how you want to preform what you want to do, but the problem is the reality of it all, in reality, it's like a 1/10 chance you'll find someone who actually will roleplay fear, I personally do it if a Predator begins to train their plasma-caster on me. I.E. the take hostage button, but as well as the contradictory statements, you mean this, you mean that.

You say you're not a good writer, but you kinda have to be, you type in chat all day when playing SS13, also, I feel as if you're finding it a bit difficult to take Bolter's info, you spend time attempting to persuade, when their criticism should be enough, unless of course they ask for your feedback or when you genuinely feel like your argument is valid. The only thing you have to say is what you meant for the people to interpret, not what you're stating in your replies to Bolter. Which he's trying to say his interpretation, but you reply with a rather displeasing attitude, saying "You do realise" that's a big, statement, even if it was not your intention, it is still received as coming of a bit jerkish. I see where you're coming from of the whole "Use fear" tactic, but that's been done before, it only adds to the Hunt, but does it add to your Yautja? Does it define your Yautja?
I see no sense of difference from your Yautja, then just being like the rest, which isn't in itself bad, but unless you can do everything very well, and make people prefer your application, I.E. Good backstory, Good way of the hunt, but you attempt to "Force" roleplay, I use that strongly because that's exactly what you're trying to do. If your hunting style doesn't persuade people to roleplay, then it doesn't work, (Sorry for being stupid, but I'm gonna compare my own, to his) For mine, I made it so that they're less relentless, that's a characteristic, they wish to give aid others whom haven't dark intention, or have helpful intent towards others, or whom he pretties. This can be used in a way, that influences or improves someone else's round, they can either choose to roleplay, or just piss off, while yours doesn't influence anything, it's either they roleplay, and they end up dying, or they can just not roleplay and charge at you instead. Even if they run at you, you'll probably just shoot them with a plasma caster, directly, it's based on chance, also to add, to the whole ordeal. What's the fun in them even being scared? They'll either run back to FOB or go with their group, never do they split up unless they are the stupidest squad ever.

Anyway, I basically trailed off, peace.

XenonDragneel · Post by **XenonDragneel** » 13 Feb 2017, 20:07

Forum Activity... half of your Forum Activity is on Commander Application ... also your story is OK... but forum activity also...

Sorry but...-1

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 13 Feb 2017, 21:30

shyshadow wrote: Clip

I can see where you are coming from with the science behind the Plasma Caster, I personally do not know the relationships between states of matter and their relationship when they collide and what happens etc. I can see where you are coming from, and It doesn't make sense, I am willing to admit when I am wrong and can be contradicting with the one thing that we know of that controls the universe, laws we have made about it.

As I have said, I don't care about Unga Dunga marines, go ahead and be like it. If there is 10 people that want to roleplay if 100 people are on. I would rather die with honor to them attempting to roleplay. The fact that you must say it is a 1/10 chance scares the living shit out of me. Despite what 99% of people think this is a medium RP server, and role play should be at least mandatory. I will try to create RP within marines.

For me, I consider writing and roleplaying different. I am a horrible writer when it comes to writing stories, dossiers, etc. But when It comes to roleplaying, I am different. Weird, yes but I am a pretty weird person.

I do not have a problem with Botler's info, I spend time trying to persuade them because I feel I can clear confusion, I admit when I make a mistake, and when I was wrong, I did it a few times. I understand it is Botler's interpretation, but a reader does not know more than what a story is so posted to represent, and the details then the person who has created it. I can see the confusion Bolter has. In which I have tried to address, and I thank him for his feedback, becoming a Yaujta you only want the good players, who will stand by the rules, and create a fun and interesting round. I do not try to come out as displeasing, and I can easily see the jerkish part of my attitude, but I do not want to or try to come off like a person like that. I have tried to address the issues he has came up with, and have answered them the best I can. I take pride in anything I create or do, and I will ''fight'' to get this accepted. If it gets denied. I'll go right back to the chalkboard, picking the good and bad parts of this application. If you see in my commander app, why I spent half of my posts there, some of it was responding, and trying to see why they -1'd me. I even sent forum PMs asking why, and seeing how they can I can improve as a player, and as a roleplayer. I do apologize if I seemed like an asshole when responding to you Bolter.

No offense but how can you. I am 100% sure I can show you that the way I hunt would make the round interesting, and fun, even on my first round. The way I want to play I can see as ''bland'' but for me, I see endless possibilities. Every round is different in SS13, events, different commanders, etc. CM is always changing and adapting, my Yautja will need to be one step ahead. I see the good story, a good way of hunting part, but I personally do not want to have a super snowflake way of playing. My Yajuta may seem bland at first, but the many types of ways I can play the way I want is what makes my Yajuta special, it is not limited to one solution, it has many, an infinite at times, my loadout can change the way I see things, they way they act ETC. As I have said, I want my Yajuta to be adaptive, I would consider him a Chess Grand Master, I play a lot of chess in my spare time, I am my school's champion, no game can ever go the same. My character opens many alternate timelines, in which I choose the one I wish to take. This is what makes him special, and his driving factor, and what Makes Setg'in'H'dlak, Setg'in'H'dlak.

I can't force someone to RP, if they simply do not, they don't as much as I can persuade them, and create a ton of opertunitys. I will not force them, even when at times my play style seems like it can. Roleplay and end up dying, or not roleplay and charge. Your absolutely right, this is a statement that is correct. As a marine, I roleplay with pred's having honor duels time to time, I know I am going to die, but the experience of roleplaying with them boosts both players confidence ((I feel)) and betters them while having fun. Dying is not a big thing as long as you had fun, I laugh at my deaths, and watch as other people roleplay. Death is something that just, happens, and sometimes you can't stop it.

Charging at me, it's obvious you do not want to RP, in which I'll leave you alone, or in which you are roleplaying. As I said before, my character creates endless possibilities in roleplaying. I'll use my Character Emeila Cals, and my friend's character Nyxia Cals. If my yajuta has slain my sister, and taunted me with her head, or dragging her body, I would run after him in roleplay. Things like no roleplay Unga Dunga happen. But I will find the people that want to RP, and make it enjoyable, and see if I can convince people that normally do not RP, to try it out, and show them it is fun.

What is the fun in being scared? I love it! Knowing that a superhuman freakazoid, who can easily come, and kill you with a single strike gives me adrenalin. It makes fun RP encounters when they do the I see u, or the laugh. That creates RP. Being scared as a character can be fun, but you're not scared as a player, you want to roleplay with this pred, and if it comes, you want to take it down.

This is my personal view on it, and anyone is ok to disagree with it. I am willing to have negative feedback and reply and explaining parts of my views, while I see your views. Anyone that -1's on my application should expect anything like this, I truely care about this, and everyone should put in the same or more effort in trying to get their application even after they have a ton of -1's.

Boltersam · Post by **Boltersam** » 14 Feb 2017, 02:48

Retro wrote:Just an example, I am not saying PMC's from Gundam is like this, I was just giving an example I have personally.

Let me reiterate.
All PMCs in the Aliens universe which we are BASED upon, are elite private military units.

Retro wrote:For the xeno part. My goal is not to bring the ''entire hive'' to my location, it is for me to have a few of them, one or two try and capture me. I will never take on a whole hive, that A. Just gives them a free Predalien and B. Reckless. I want them to be weary of me, which is what I meant by defensive and passive. It is every Yajuta's goal to one day become an Adjudicator. To prove, they are the best of the best. Taking a queen on is very dangerous, and I will not do it until I am experienced enough, or I must, crippling the xeno's majorly is not my intention, but my intention is to prove myself worthy of becoming a Bloody, Elite, etc. Kinda went off topic, but I want the xenos to make sure to know I am there, forcing them to be a bit more conservative in the way they play/act. It is just another way I can abuse their emotions/instinct.

And I quote,

Retro wrote: Xenos:

Slaying a powerful Xeno such as an Elite Hunter/Ravager or queen. After doing this the xenos will see I would make a powerful host, and will actively try and hunt me, and also players want to show how ''robust'' they are so they would.

Showing to the xeno's I am an active threat, making them more defensive and passive because if I wanted to I could possibly kill their queen.

This is the stuff that gets entire hives to swarm.

Retro wrote:PSS. I did? That is not even close to my intention if I did. Using a Plasma Caster is frowned upon the Yautja society, but I think what I meant was an example I can do.

And I quote,

Retro wrote: Marines: Examples:

Use of plasma caster to draw out/scare, run, and separate marines, allowing me to take out on without taking on a full squad right away.

Extension of the last one. After hunting a marine and taking its trophy. Hold up its head/drag the body to make them want to get me, resulting in the same situation of fear/anger

Point my laser pointer on a marine with /me to make it seem like they are going to be shot at. Causing them panic. I will do this when there are 1-3 marines.

Post by **forwardslashN** » 14 Feb 2017, 12:07

I don't recognize you from the game, but I've seen you around the forums and discord. You say you've been active since pre-alpha, but you've only registered on the forums a few months ago, and your post count is low. The background didn't really paint a good picture of the character. Not sure who they are based on what you've written, and the story doesn't show any particular Yautja knowledge. Your playstyle is different enough from what we usually, though I'd say it would be hard to pull off. Since this thread is still going, I'll read the responses at a later time.

Edit: Oh yeah, ban for griefing on Hippie is eh...

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 14 Feb 2017, 14:53

forwardslashN wrote:I don't recognize you from the game, but I've seen you around the forums and discord. You say you've been active since pre-alpha, but you've only registered on the forums a few months ago, and your post count is low. The background didn't really paint a good picture of the character. Not sure who they are based on what you've written, and the story doesn't show any particular Yautja knowledge. Your playstyle is different enough from what we usually, though I'd say it would be hard to pull off. Since this thread is still going, I'll read the responses at a later time.

Edit: Oh yeah, ban for griefing on Hippie is eh...

I have been playing since pre-alpha, this is a new forum account I created, I have another one that dates back 2015? It is my Ckey, Xxxretroxgears3. When Yajuta's were first added, and I only made it apply for it, I took a break from CM and ss13 as a whole for a few months, I was burned out after starting near 2013-2014. This was recent. My inspiration for writing it comes from myself, and chess players. The ability to think like someone else, and predict their move. It takes a lot of thinking power, and the ability to see ahead, what to do, even at lower levels where players do not do this. It is a skill that the Grand Masters and Masters have learned and almost perfected or have. I always take it from myself and I'll give you an example, if I were to say ''Hey /n, that update was really cool, and thanks for adding your input.'' You're happy, if I were to say ''Hey, /n your horrible at coding, and you're a fucking shit staff member who should be kicked off the team.'' Your not happy, you're angry. Throughout my day, I notice this, and I do it to my friends people at my school. You can say things or do things to manipulate their emotions, make them do stuff, feel stuff, etc. I can see why you say my bio does not show a lot of Yautja knowledge, but I have done my research and will always continue to, I know the broad parts of it, and my main details, but within that I know the weird and quirky things, that are not really obvious and need to be dug into. IE: Controlling your smart disk with your mind to some degree. My playstyle at hand may be hard, but I have experience in fucking with people and may take me a little bit to get used to, but I am fairly confident I can pull it off.

Edit: The griefing incident with Hippie, I have talked to it with multiple staff members and a head of staff, I ultimately regret it, and I do not want to be reminded of it. It is the one bad blotch on my reputation I tried to uphold. After the incident I was extremely pissed at myself, thinking why did I do it. I vouched to never do it again, and I will not. I do know that you can't tell emotions from a wall a text, but I have tried my best to make things better, so I do not do it again and prevent it from happening to any other server.

Post by **Feweh** » 14 Feb 2017, 14:56

Anytime you write Yajuta I want to deny you

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 14 Feb 2017, 15:01

Feweh wrote:Anytime you write Yajuta I want to deny you

Trust me, it is a force of a really really bad habit. Yajuta is incorrect, and I was under the premise it was ((god damn Nelson Mandella effect)) after learning the correct way of spelling is Yautja I tried breaking it, it still comes to bit me in the ass. I do agree, it annoys me the way I spell it, every time I see it I go SHIT, and try typing it a few times correctly until I get it right. ((but as you can see it always comes back))

XenonDragneel · Post by **XenonDragneel** » 14 Feb 2017, 18:34

Feweh wrote:Anytime you write Yajuta I want to deny you

LMFAOOO

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 15 Feb 2017, 16:05

Let me reiterate.
All PMCs in the Aliens universe which we are BASED upon, are elite private military units.

I used my own inspiration I guess ''breaking the lore'' and adding my own group, you have done it yourself with the USCM fleet destroying your entire clan, and its custom, so I did something of my own which is not even a major thing.

Even if they are elite, let's look at something everyone here has likely seen, Predator. Starts off as a black ops mission, where Dutch and his gang kill a bunch of terrorists or something of the sorts. It seems they are unstoppable, and are complete maniacs and can take any job they take. They are slighted freaked out about the skinned bodies, but they have seemed to see shit like this. After the Yautja starts picking them off one by one, freaking them out, using sounds and lure them, and their emotions. You claim that they won't fire a spray of bullets but, uh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h6KszHGPTI

True, but you're not part of a highly trained private military unit given top-notch equipment whose first instinct would be to shoot back. They wouldn't shoot randomly, either. Remember the highly trained part? That's disciplined AP fire that your Predator is trying to wade through. He's dead.

You also state because they are trained, they won't run and be disciplined and will just /shoot back/. They are in the open, in a wooded area with many places to hide, a few explosions go off. Dust goes in your eyes, and in the air, you an ever A. shocked and need a second to go, What the hell just, and B. in the open. This is the definition of an AMBUSH. See, in the open, there is no cover, but even state of the armor can't protect you from bullets coming at you for about 10 seconds. What you would do if get up, run behind a tree, or simply GTFO not wanting to die. The few PMC's in a squad wanted to take cover so they can fight. Back, despite the few running off, a squad has around 8 people in it, having three or four runs off makes this believable. Also, they don't know where it came from. Shooting randomly everywhere suppresses enemies from shooting back, and also might hit them.

As the dust kicked up Setg'in'h'dlak uncloaked and jumped down, his vision was full of them firing everywhere where he was.

even as you pointed at, this was a small detail I should have tweaked and changed a bit with more proofreading to avoid that. Let's move on to your main issue my play style.

Retro wrote:For the xeno part. My goal is not to bring the ''entire hive'' to my location, it is for me to have a few of them, one or two try and capture me. I will never take on a whole hive, that A. Just gives them a free Predalien and B. Reckless. I want them to be weary of me, which is what I meant by defensive and passive. It is every Yautja's goal to one day become an Adjudicator. To prove, they are the best of the best. Taking a queen on is very dangerous, and I will not do it until I am experienced enough, or I must, crippling the xeno's majorly is not my intention, but my intention is to prove myself worthy of becoming a Bloody, Elite, etc. Kinda went off topic, but I want the xenos to make sure to know I am there, forcing them to be a bit more conservative in the way they play/act. It is just another way I can abuse their emotions/instinct.

And I quote,

Retro wrote: Xenos:

Slaying a powerful Xeno such as an Elite Hunter/Ravager or queen. After doing this the xenos will see I would make a powerful host, and will actively try and hunt me, and also players want to show how ''robust'' they are so they would.

Showing to the xeno's I am an active threat, making them more defensive and passive because if I wanted to I could possibly kill their queen.

This is the stuff that gets entire hives to swarm.

Do you know how xenomorphs work in the lore? They are a hivemind everything they see and know, all other xeno's know. IF one xeno sees me, I am going to get swarmed either way with the current meta of xenos in the game, and this basic fact.

Retro wrote:PSS. Did I? That is not even close to my intention if I did. Using a Plasma Caster is frowned upon the Yautja society, but I think what I meant was an example I can do.

It is. Second paragraph, towards the end. http://avp.wikia.com/wiki/Plasmacaster

And I quote,

Retro wrote: Marines: Examples:

Use of plasma caster to draw out/scare, run, and separate marines, allowing me to take out on without taking on a full squad right away.

Extension of the last one. After hunting a marine and taking its trophy. Hold up its head/drag the body to make them want to get me, resulting in the same situation of fear/anger

Point my laser pointer on a marine with /me to make it seem like they are going to be shot at. Causing them panic. I will do this when there are 1-3 marines.

[/quote] move onto the main issue you point out the play style.

As I will quote. From my comment

These are ones I can just have off of the top of my head without thinking hard about it. My Yautja will be adaptive, and observant, taking the best possible action to have a successful hunt, and get the strongest prey anywhere.

Useing a weapon, or a tool and indirectly using a tool are two different things you realize correct. A great example that everyone knows about. A nuclear weapon. You can directly use it to kill people and flatten cities. You can indirectly use it to make it seem like a deterrent, saying go to war and I can nuke you. What about a big military, the American military. NO country would go to war with us [[small and not insane]] even with a few allies. We have some of the best tech in the known Universe and a giant military. We could wipe them off the face. Using a laser pointer is indirectly using it, and also shows how I can use a weapon in a few smart ways. I can find more ways, but I will need time, you just say marines will swarm ME and xenos will just gang up on me. Thanks for telling me, but I would prefer to experience these things myself, so I can better develop as a player, and roleplayer. I don't know a thing about the CM's Yautjas ((I take that back I know very FEW things)) so I don't know what players are more likely to do. From what I have seen players roleplay things like this, even the known shitlers. As said, Xenos is a hivemind, even if one see's me, it is almost instantly given to all members of the xenomorph hive, and they can swarm me at any time. I will avoid it obviously, and try and take on lone xenos. Even if they need to type :a Help Headhunter at X location)) The best thing to do is to quickly eliminate it, grab its trophy, and move on without facing the entire hive.

I hope this has addressed some of your concerns around my play style, it is not plasma caster orientated as it seems, but I just used examples I can use for just one weapon, with a number of weapons and the things I can do without weapons overwhelms the things I can do with a plasma caster, and even make the marines even more scared, angry ETC.

Xeno's do not have emotions, but have instincts, if they know they are about to die they will hold out or even run. But will always PROTECT THE QUEEN. Showing them I am threat makes it a POSSIBILITY to hunt one of the most dangerous, and one of the steps to progressing to the next Yautja rank of Elite, or even a Clan Leader ((well the queen trophy requirement.)) a queen will deterrent them from swarming me and not protecting the queen, as it allows me to find her and POSSIBLY slay her, making for a really successful hunt. Using the natural instincts against them is the hardest thing to do with my play style, I easily learn, and I have ideas I will need to test, but with a little time and some pushing and even some of your Ideas, I can make it happen, and I won't let anyone down.

Rain7x · Post by **Rain7x** » 18 Feb 2017, 18:14

I think you're a bit too new. I'd +1 your commander app but you're a little too new for pred IMO. -1

Retro · Post by **Retro** » 18 Feb 2017, 18:35

Rain7x wrote:I think you're a bit too new. I'd +1 your commander app but you're a little too new for pred IMO. -1

New? I have been playing for a while Rain, I even said it in my applications.

EDIT: Pre-Alpha to be exact and o boy the logistic riots, and staff actually spawned in when we captured Xeno's it was a simple time back then, LZ1 was at Arrivals and LZ2 was a bit above it near security. I have ''recently'' came back but it's been a decent amount of time from that.

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