Predator complaint: Ka'torag-na Halkrath

[Casany]

Your Byond Key: Casany

Your Character Name: August 'Slice' Walker

Accused Byond Key(if known): I assume it was ShyGuyChizzy

Character Name: Ka'torag-na Halkrath

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 8:10 CST

What rule(s) were broken: Honor Code's either 1 or 6, maybe both

Description of the incident: So, heres what I saw, and I was watching the entire time, and I have logs to back it up. Anyway, it started when the hunter tackled him and stood there, probably just trying to "troll" him, and it proceeded to let him get up. After word, he isolated a drone and the hunter, became visible and attempted to fight the hunter. It "accepted" and they fought while the drone watched from a distance. The predator started bleeding and slowing down about 10 seconds into the fight, and instead of finishing it honorably like a hunter should (and mind you the alien hunter had used no stuns at all, just slashing) he brought out his plasma caster, tried to heavy plasma it, missed, tried again, hit, the hunter pounced away to try and get away from him, and he mediumed it into critical and slashed it to death. I understand it "started" it by tackling him but if he wanted to plasma caster it what was the point of the fight? Once your in an "honorable" melee duel you have to finish it by dying or killing the opponent, and instead of dying or trying a little harder he shot it with plasma to kill it. It was a young hunter, and he skinned it afterwords

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): http://prntscr.com/efs348

How you would punish the accused: either a warning or suspension, either is fine as long as he doesn't do this again. It just pains me to see this unhonorable fighting from what I assume to be an experienced pred player. I do realize you could wave it off, but really, I think this can't be ignored lest they replicate it.

(Unbiased source BTW, I was observing and saw this and I thought it deserved a report)

[Dirty Old Harry]

I was observing the Pred and was the one that took the screenshots, after that first screenshot he proceeded to fight another young hunter in which he leg trapped it and as it ran away he plasma castered it to death, http://prntscr.com/efs88i.

[Shyguychizzy]

I was observing the Pred and was the one that took the screenshots, after that first screenshot he proceeded to fight another young hunter in which he leg trapped it and as it ran away he plasma castered it to death, http://prntscr.com/efs88i.

Indeed that did happen. That account can make a seperate report. That however I shall explain if you would post another complaint.This is just a brief explaination of the incident from my account only. With that incident, it pounced away constantly, had high instead of medium at the time. Being snow, I tried crippling it, unknown what hunter was it might be the same one earlier purposely following or hunting me. Though, it was a accident and claim full responsibility for that little incident, intent was to crit it as it tried running off with my trap. Aswell I believe that was Young hunter 283 that incident.

[Shyguychizzy]

Your Byond Key: Casany

Your Character Name: August 'Slice' Walker

Accused Byond Key(if known): I assume it was ShyGuyChizzy

Character Name: Ka'torag-na Halkrath

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 8:10 CST

What rule(s) were broken: Honor Code's either 1 or 6, maybe both

Description of the incident: So, heres what I saw, and I was watching the entire time, and I have logs to back it up. Anyway, it started when the hunter tackled him and stood there, probably just trying to "troll" him, and it proceeded to let him get up. After word, he isolated a drone and the hunter, became visible and attempted to fight the hunter. It "accepted" and they fought while the drone watched from a distance. The predator started bleeding and slowing down about 10 seconds into the fight, and instead of finishing it honorably like a hunter should (and mind you the alien hunter had used no stuns at all, just slashing) he brought out his plasma caster, tried to heavy plasma it, missed, tried again, hit, the hunter pounced away to try and get away from him, and he mediumed it into critical and slashed it to death. I understand it "started" it by tackling him but if he wanted to plasma caster it what was the point of the fight? Once your in an "honorable" melee duel you have to finish it by dying or killing the opponent, and instead of dying or trying a little harder he shot it with plasma to kill it. It was a young hunter, and he skinned it afterwords

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): http://prntscr.com/efs348

How you would punish the accused: either a warning or suspension, either is fine as long as he doesn't do this again. It just pains me to see this unhonorable fighting from what I assume to be an experienced pred player. I do realize you could wave it off, but really, I think this can't be ignored lest they replicate it.

(Unbiased source BTW, I was observing and saw this and I thought it deserved a report)

This hunter was never intent of a honorable dueled or that was never established, either via translator of the words 1v1 or sort. The tackling bit was correct at the beggining, the hunter tackled me multiple times, the area was near LZ1 near the dome. https://gyazo.com/7d1507a38fc6816eaa7236d40709f337 Correct combat logs if a said staff member would investigate it as I not allowed to do such as it is of my own report, which I leave it to the investigator on their part. These are the logs of earlier occrance before we ever fought. I then walk more north western keep in mind I was still cloaked at this time, hunter decided to tackle mulitple times while cloak, https://gyazo.com/4e563f012b968dc9625cbb943f3301e4. Hunter thought it was a honorable duel however I saw the hunter as my own prey, which is why i engaged it and had to defend myself, after I retreated you kept following me and tackling. I uncloak being low on energy, continue to attack, such I used a high caster near em to stun it. It quickly recovered and ran north, I switched to mediem blast, roughly 2 shots I shot at it. Then came to finish it as the hunter was trying to heal, which then would of continue the cycles, the drone was merely a observer which was drone 59 I believe which i honorable dueled. Did say 1v1 a few times to the drone only. To clarify, that was never a honorable duel, the hunter may have thought so but...it was never a duel, I saw em as prey and fought it as prey.

[Casany]

question, did you that same round gift a marine a clan mask or was it another pred that died? Its a question because I thought you weren't supposed to gift tech like that... I may just be confused though, correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, if I may Chizzy, I just think this kind of behavior is out of left field for you. heres what I saw. You were losing the fight, so instead of continuing it you decided to blast it because why? The plasma caster is one of the MOST overpowered weapons in the game, you could have just as easily used a foot trap or some other tactic which would have been so much more honorable. I dont know, it just seems so cheezy for a predator to do this

BTW, I was not the hunter, neither was Harry, we were both observers

I just don't want these kinds of "cheezy" tactics to become commonplace when hunting xenos, because if it does then whats the point of meleeing a xeno at all if you can just plasma blast plasma blast?

[forwardslashN]

Considering this was posted during the round, and I can check the variables, I did so. The plasma caster only hit twice, and the intended target was finished off with melee.I do see the xenomorph attacking the predator, a bunch. I think people forget that predators are antagonists, and they do come with a plasma caster for when they need to use it. If you run up and start attacking one, that might just mean you will eat plasma in the face. Unless there is more evidence to this, I'm not seeing "unhonorable fighting from what I assume to be an experienced pred player". The second fight consisted of the same player coming back to attack the predator as another alien hunter. That's honestly more concerning than this report, since I know who the player in question is.

[Casany]

Considering this was posted during the round, and I can check the variables, I did so. The plasma caster only hit twice, and the intended target was finished off with melee.I do see the xenomorph attacking the predator, a bunch. I think people forget that predators are antagonists, and they do come with a plasma caster for when they need to use it. If you run up and start attacking one, that might just mean you will eat plasma in the face. Unless there is more evidence to this, I'm not seeing "unhonorable fighting from what I assume to be an experienced pred player". The second fight consisted of the same player coming back to attack the predator as another alien hunter. That's honestly more concerning than this report, since I know who the player in question is.

There aren't logs for this, but the pred was ATTEMPTING to hit the xeno but couldn't. Both sides were trying to get the other, and Harry can confirm, but the pred just didnt get any hits in so he switched to plasma from my guess. Ill ask Harry to confirm

[Dirty Old Harry]

I can confirm that both myself and Casany were observing the Pred and that the fight between the Pred and the Hunter was started because the Hunter denied the honour duel to which the Pred brandished their wrist blades and went to attack, the hunter hit the Pred a bunch and eventually the Pred backed up as the Hunter was still trying to fight, (Hardly taken any damage) and the Pred casted it down then sliced it to death.

[Sailor Dave]

As the hunter who was fighting chizzy both times, I'll just chime in real quick. The first time I was hunter, I tackled chizzy a bunch to pester him some, seeing how far he would walk before he decided to fight. We went a few screens, I saw him uncloak and looking like he wanted to fight, so I fought him. It went as he described. I don't really have much issue with that. The second time, again, it went as he described. The full blast bothered me a little bit, but I didn't have an issue with it, since I saw it was an accident. My standards for honorable fighting have changed since I did some lore diving, read some comics and books. Using the caster to kill isn't dishonorable, but in the context of CM it is seen as somewhat distasteful, and I don't know exactly what the standards for it are against xenos here.

[forwardslashN]

I've spoken to the player involved in this, as both hunters. It boils down to the following: The xenomorph was trying to incite the predator, twice, and the predator attacked in return. The use of the plasma caster was probably on the excessive side considering it was a single xeno each time, and I will talk to Chizzy about that. I do not feel like Chizzy was breaking the honor code in these instances, as neither aliens were his prey, and they just randomly sought him out and attacked him. The player involved in this confirms as much, and I agree with him that it could been on the less shooty side, though not really an honor code break. This report is resolved and closed.