Xenos have delayed building times

[KingKire]

Summary:
Instead of instant building times, xeno have to stand in place for a few seconds.

Benefits:
I've had this idea for some time, but i decided to post it down after i broke free from a nest and a drone tackled me over, placed a nest right over my body, and then dragged me into it, which causes a player to be locked back up. This wouldnt be so much of a problem except it happened essentially right after they knocked me over, and i must my sense of disbelief was shattered nice and well, considering i waited for just the right time when a xeno walked through to open the door and there was only one drone nearby.

- i know theres alot of power placed into the fact that xeno can instant build structures, but i think take that (pretty cheesy) tactic out, in favor of maybe other xeno buffs, such as building health, plasma storage, or plasma regeneration.


Details:
A xeno must wait 2-5 seconds standing still to create a new structure. Sticky resin (and maybe eggs?) are immune to this and can still be built instantly.

[xeno366]

1+ gives marines more chance to escape and survive.


and stap da spawn

[Crab_Spider]

1+ gives marines more chance to escape and survive.


and stap da spawn

You're not supposed to escape or survive being nested

[KingKire]

You're not supposed to escape or survive being nested

Actually, you are supposed to have a *very* low chance of escape. Personally, i would have preferred permanested and suggested multiple times before, but apop and the dev team still want that escape possibility in the game.

But this suggestion isnt just related to nesting a person quickly, it also relates to having drones lay weed sacs/walls right in front of marines, which is a pretty cheesy thing overall (as a big drone player, this is also one of the main ways i play the game, so im pretty well versed in it).

[xeno366]

You're not supposed to escape or survive being nested

Wait what? Everyone is trying to escape when they get nested

[Crab_Spider]

Wait what? Everyone is trying to escape when they get nested

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[xeno366]

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Wat

[TheMaskedMan2]

Wait what? Everyone is trying to escape when they get nested

Just because you TRY to escape, you are not expected to be able too escape just because you are "good", or what not. Plus, most people go SSD when caught right away anyways. Either way when im nested i never expect to survive, the only reason I struggle is so i can try and kill myself to prevent bursting.

[MrJJJ]

To be fair, its way too *easy* right now to be caught and nested, its not even due to game mechanics either most of the time that you can't escape, but by abusing corner spitting because projectile code dun goofed, and the fact that nesting has a delay of atleast 2 seconds before you can actually more than just free teammates and move

[RedsPro]

A little delay on Doors and Walls along with Purple Sacks might be nice. i hate clearing weeds just for one sac to get rid of the last ten minutes.

[Mister Jeether]

+1,Now,queen can no longer spam walls to escape marines.

[Dapper Stache]

+1, They do currently have some sort of time it takes to make things but it is really really short.

[Halinder]

-1 because holy shit do you realize how obnoxious building a hive would be? MAYBE a conditional +1 if the delay would only apply to drones and not hivelords.

[xeno366]

-1 because holy shit do you realize how obnoxious building a hive would be? MAYBE a conditional +1 if the delay would only apply to drones and not hivelords.

salt cuz u xeno main

[Toroic]

Lol at thinking that this would increase marine escape chances.

Any semi-competently built hive is inescapable. At best you can kill yourself before you burst.

[Crab_Spider]

salt cuz u xeno main

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[xeno366]

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^PROBLEM?

[Crab_Spider]

^PROBLEM?

So, it's because they play as a xeno mostly they don't like the idea? Other than the fast the crap you build in hives are easy to break and cost a shitton of plasma, no, it's because they're a xeno main. That's not a crappy straw man at all!

[xeno366]

So, it's because they play as a xeno mostly they don't like the idea? Other than the fast the crap you build in hives are easy to break and cost a shitton of plasma, no, it's because they're a xeno main. That's not a crappy straw man at all!

Dude it was just a joke calm down

[caleeb101]

It takes marines time to build structures as well. A good FOB does take a bit. On top of that, xenos always have enough time to build a good hive, even with this update they'd still be able to make good hives. It doesn't make sense for a drone to literally shit out blocks and doors instantly.It'll also serve to slow down combat drones+hivelords and make xenos actually have to provide cover if they want to make an advance in an assault (since they basically lose without weeds). This isn't even an update that has that good a reason not to be added. At least I'm yet to see anyone put forward a good enough argument...

[Crab_Spider]

It takes marines time to build structures as well. A good FOB does take a bit. On top of that, xenos always have enough time to build a good hive, even with this update they'd still be able to make good hives. It doesn't make sense for a drone to literally shit out blocks and doors instantly.It'll also serve to slow down combat drones+hivelords and make xenos actually have to provide cover if they want to make an advance in an assault (since they basically lose without weeds). This isn't even an update that has that good a reason not to be added. At least I'm yet to see anyone put forward a good enough argument...

Girders take 22 bullets before breaking, resin walls take a full burst. Girders can be displaced and converted to false walls, or even walls. Walls take several crusher charges to break down, and the crusher is stunned on contact. We can't compare resin structures to building structures, one is in infinite supply but not very durable, and the other has limited supply but still durable.

[KingKire]

Lol at thinking that this would increase marine escape chances.

Any semi-competently built hive is inescapable. At best you can kill yourself before you burst.

Yah, any half decent hive is pretty much wayy too hard to break out of, but in this instance paticularly, the drone had built a small 4 wall nest in the storage domes by himself. I waited until he walked by to open the doors, broke the resin, threw a throwing knife at him and ran. I had to dodge around a small resin wall he built to shield the light from a gun, and he tackled me. I was about 8 tiles away so i was sure he would miss at least one of his tackles so i could make a break to the LZ (he was all by his lonesome) but within the second he tackled me, he walked over my body, planted a new nest and dragged me into it.


As for the other thread arguments, Taking away the xeno build speed leaves room for increasing the xeno power elsewhere (such as having *stronger* resin walls, More plasma for builder casts, or quicker plasma recharge times for builder casts). This doesnt have to be nor should it be a straight out nerf. I believe in a give and take, and were taking some cheese to give something good elsewhere.

[MrJJJ]

Resin walls take a full burst.

9 shots from a rifle, almost 15 smartgun ammo

[Crab_Spider]

9 shots from a rifle, almost 15 smartgun ammo

Where are you getting that number from?

[Casany]

Where are you getting that number from?

I mean, he probably shot a resin wall with full health and counted the shots