Player report - Rain7x as Pred.

[Dolth]

Your Byond Key:
Pette

Your Character Name:
Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk

Accused Byond Key(if known):
Rain7x

Character Name:
Than-guan Ikthya-de

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results):
12:00

What rule(s) were broken:
1.1 Follow the Predator Code of Honor.
3. You are NOT a murder-spree antagonist - You have MUCH more leeway than a standard marine or alien, but you are held accountable for every life you take. Try to limit yourself to killing prey only, and using your other things tools to chase people away who are interfering.


Description of the incident:

Actually, Rainx7 already broke Code of Honor once on ice colony map, killing a marine after first hit knocking him down whilst two other marines shoot at him, which opposes to bellow.

RainX7 claims he'll play his predator honorfully, and never attacking group -> Quote from his predator APP ->

How do you intend to play your predator (as in, describe HOW you will act/play your predator. This will weigh HEAVILY and frequently breaking from this MAY result in removal)?
I want to be a predator that engages honorable prey 1v1, not attacking entire teams, but rather a single honorable prey. I intend to make sure that I analyze my enemy, and exploit their weaknesses accordingly. I am by no means there just to kill people. but rather to test my merit against xenos and marines alike.

Yet according to what he did a week ago (Uncloak, knock uncouncious a marine then butcher him while two marines shoot at the pred but hey he's tanky).
And today, he merely engaged repetidivly WHOLE squads to murder with hand-wrist (aiming at the head) tons of people including myself while I was using scope.

Also, he killed Ricky Prescott which at that time was healing/guarding (Saw that as a ghost, not sure.) a wounded, code of honor implies not attacking wounded/administrating healing personals.
I sincerly doubt running into a group of more than five marines to release a razor disk then hand-wrist some of them, -maybe-, focusing a single one, then cloaking in the whole bunch to flee is OKAY.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
Logs, and hopefully witnesses.

How you would punish the accused:
Removing from whitelist until another application sounds good.

[Caryl]

I can testify to this, sadly I didn't take any screenshots. I was his Squad Leader at a time, and this Predator just dove into our ranks, immediately slashing up specific marines. First Fire, now inside Hydro, he tried to take down two others more.

[Rain7x]

Actually, I was stalking Ricky Prescott since the beginning of the round, and I killed a total of two people, you, the spec, who tried to shoot at me while I was cloaked observing, looking for Ricky. I decloaked and rng wasn't in your favor and decapped you in three hits. I meant to chase you off as I was looking for one person. I released by Smart Disc after being chased by the whole squad, even after I had cloaked. I came back later to see Ricky in what I thought was a secluded location, and I did kill him, but instead he was with a group of 2-3 marines. I actually decided to let marines have a victory and not explode my bracers, and accepted my defeat. I don't understand why you expect to shoot at a predator with a sniper rifle and not expect me to retaliate. I would have just ignored you had you not shot at me. I was looking for one person that I had been stalking since when I joined (~12:35, something like that). I was there for one person, and everyone else who attempted to interfere I dealt with. I used a spike launcher. To reiterate, I wasn't "attacking whole squads", but I was attacking one person who was my selected prey. Also, attacking one target and then cloaking and fleeing from a group of 15 marines is pretty valid.

[Jay Burns]

I was watching rain at the time when he was at hydro, he only targeted Ricky and didn't hit any other marines (that i could see).

[Feweh]

I sincerly doubt running into a group of more than five marines to release a razor disk then hand-wrist some of them, -maybe-, focusing a single one, then cloaking in the whole bunch to flee is OKAY.

This is acceptable if your target is hiding among fellow marines, the disc is a great way to disperse marines as well.


Ill look into it though

[slc97]

Here are the logs

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 [12:44:34]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=141;Y=116;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:44:38]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=121;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:44:43]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=120;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:44:47]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=122;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:44:47]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=122;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:44:47]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=122;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:44:48]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the shotgun buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=122;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:44:55]ATTACK: UristMonkey/(Ricky Prescott) attacked Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) with M37A2 pump shotgun (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[12:45:04]ATTACK: Unknown (rain7x) shot Jim Vernum (fishnchip) with a the alloy spike (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=126;Y=122;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:45:05]ATTACK: Unknown (rain7x) shot Caryl 'Hail' Bernhaben (caryl) with a the alloy spike (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=124;Y=122;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:45:20]ATTACK: Unknown (rain7x) shot Caryl 'Hail' Bernhaben (caryl) with a the alloy spike (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=129;Y=119;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:45:55]ATTACK: Unknown (rain7x) injected Unknown (Rain7x) with unusual crysal. Reagents: Quick clot and thwei (INTENT: HURT) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=113;Y=118;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:49:57]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=130;Y=111;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:08]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=124;Y=112;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:08]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=124;Y=112;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:08]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the shotgun buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=124;Y=112;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:17]ATTACK: William Joyce (exgame) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=126;Y=114;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:17]ATTACK: William Joyce (exgame) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=126;Y=114;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:17]ATTACK: William Joyce (exgame) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the shotgun buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=126;Y=114;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:18]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=130;Y=112;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:18]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=130;Y=112;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:18]ATTACK: Ricky Prescott (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=130;Y=112;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:18]EMOTE: Unknown/Rain7x : <B>Unknown</B> screams!
[12:50:22]ATTACK: Unknown (rain7x) primed a smart-disc (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=132;Y=116;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:35]ATTACK: Unknown (rain7x) injected Unknown (Rain7x) with unusual crysal. Reagents: Quick clot and thwei (INTENT: HURT) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=119;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:38]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=118;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:38]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=118;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:38]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=118;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:41]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked SukiYuki/(Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan) with clan sword (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[12:50:43]ATTACK: Edgar Pindell (szunti) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=133;Y=120;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:44]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=120;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:45]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=120;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:46]ATTACK: Hans 'Robot' Krautz (cryzone) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=135;Y=120;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:49]ATTACK: Friedhelm Winter (bran232) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=135;Y=128;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:49]ATTACK: Friedhelm Winter (bran232) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the shotgun buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=135;Y=128;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:49]ATTACK: Sch'Antol Drawksins (shust) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=130;Y=127;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:50]ATTACK: Sch'Antol Drawksins (shust) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=130;Y=127;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:50]ATTACK: Sch'Antol Drawksins (shust) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=130;Y=127;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:51]ATTACK: Sch'Antol Drawksins (shust) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=130;Y=129;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:50:51]ATTACK: Sch'Antol Drawksins (shust) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=130;Y=129;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:51:09]ATTACK: The Elite Sentinel (279) (oberstcat) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the neurotoxic spit (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=131;Y=142;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:53:54]ATTACK: Unknown (rain7x) injected Unknown (Rain7x) with unusual crysal. Reagents: Quick clot and thwei (INTENT: HURT) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=230;Y=241;Z=2'>JMP</a>)
[12:55:54]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked Imperator_Titan/(Ed Trevor) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[12:56:15]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : They have my smart disc...
[12:56:21]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : The oomans.
[12:57:17]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : I have no idea. It doesn't matter, they will die before they find it of use.
[12:58:20]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : I couldn't give you an accurate one as there were many.
[12:58:37]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[12:58:40]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[12:58:43]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[12:58:44]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[12:58:45]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked Pette/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[12:58:46]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked *no key*/(Dolthgar 'Fire' Folk) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[12:58:51]ATTACK: Hans 'Robot' Krautz (cryzone) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=120;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[12:59:11]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : The one who stole is is dead. He did not have it.
[12:59:24]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : I just killed him. It is most likely with somebody else.
[13:01:41]ATTACK: Unknown (rain7x) injected Unknown (Rain7x) with unusual crysal. Reagents: Quick clot and thwei (INTENT: HURT) (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=157;Y=117;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:01:55]ATTACK: The UA 571-C sentry gun shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the autocannon bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=135;Y=120;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:01:55]ATTACK: The UA 571-C sentry gun shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the autocannon bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=135;Y=120;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:19]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked UristMonkey/(Ricky Prescott) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[13:02:20]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked UristMonkey/(Ricky Prescott) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[13:02:21]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked UristMonkey/(Ricky Prescott) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[13:02:22]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked UristMonkey/(Ricky Prescott) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[13:02:22]ATTACK: Edgar Pindell (szunti) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=140;Y=103;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:23]ATTACK: Edgar Pindell (szunti) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=140;Y=103;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:23]ATTACK: Edgar Pindell (szunti) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the rifle bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=140;Y=103;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:24]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked UristMonkey/(Ricky Prescott) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[13:02:27]ATTACK: Unknown (as Ricky Prescott) (uristmonkey) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the additional buckshot (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:30]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked UristMonkey/(Ricky Prescott) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[13:02:31]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked UristMonkey/(Ricky Prescott) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[13:02:33]ATTACK: Caryl 'Hail' Bernhaben (caryl) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the sniper bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=133;Y=106;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:35]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=106;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:36]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked UristMonkey/(Ricky Prescott) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[13:02:37]ATTACK: Rain7x/(Than-guan Ikthya-de) attacked UristMonkey/(Ricky Prescott) with wrist blades (INTENT: HURT) (DAMTYE: BRUTE)
[13:02:37]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:38]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:38]EMOTE: Unknown/Rain7x : <B>Unknown</B> screams!
[13:02:38]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:38]ATTACK: Caryl 'Hail' Bernhaben (caryl) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the sniper bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=133;Y=106;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:39]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:41]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:42]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=136;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:45]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:47]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:47]EMOTE: Unknown/Rain7x : <B>Unknown</B> gasps!
[13:02:48]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=137;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:49]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:50]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:52]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:53]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:53]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:54]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:57]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:58]ATTACK: Jim Vernum (fishnchip) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the pistol bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=139;Y=104;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:58]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:58]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:59]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:02:59]EMOTE: Unknown/Rain7x : <B>Unknown</B> gasps!
[13:02:59]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>)
[13:03:00]ATTACK: Gwendolyn 'Gwen' Teagan (sukiyuki) shot Unknown (rain7x) with a the submachinegun bullet (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=138;Y=107;Z=1'>JMP</a>) 

Rain only killed two people. He attacked a bit here and there to protect himself by the looks of it.

[Dolth]

You clearly see more than 4-5 people during that gunfight which opposes to the How do you intend to play your predator (as in, describe HOW you will act/play your predator. This will weigh HEAVILY and frequently breaking from this MAY result in removal)?

Also, this is the fight whereas he died. There was another fight just at river between a skirmish with aliens/myself/at least 10marines which also show himself fight large groups of marines, even if it's targeting a single one. (+/-10 minutes before your logs).

Around 25minutes before your log another predator charged a group of marines, throwing a disc and cloaking among five marines -> not sure it was him, if it was, then it ONCE more shows he's just merely charging groups.
Even if one is targeted, it still does oppose to his 'how to play pred'.

I don't understand why you expect to shoot at a predator with a sniper rifle and not expect me to retaliate. I would have just ignored you had you not shot at me.

Never shot you, beside if you really want to get into that, you attacked me by surprise, then from my KO which is against 1.1 Code of Honor, AKA not honorful/game hunt, neither, again, according to your 'how to play'.

Also the fact you kill two/three marines within 20 minutes is murderbonning to my eyes.

PS: Won't reply often, I am at work for 5h remaining...

[Rain7x]

You clearly see more than 4-5 people during that gunfight which opposes to the How do you intend to play your predator (as in, describe HOW you will act/play your predator. This will weigh HEAVILY and frequently breaking from this MAY result in removal)?

Also, this is the fight whereas he died. There was another fight just at river between a skirmish with aliens/myself/at least 10marines which also show himself fight large groups of marines, even if it's targeting a single one. (+/-10 minutes before your logs).

Around 25minutes before your log another predator charged a group of marines, throwing a disc and cloaking among five marines -> not sure it was him, if it was, then it ONCE more shows he's just merely charging groups.
Even if one is targeted, it still does oppose to his 'how to play pred'.


Never shot you, beside if you really want to get into that, you attacked me by surprise, then from my KO which is against 1.1 Code of Honor, AKA not honorful/game hunt, neither, again, according to your 'how to play'.

Also the fact you kill two/three marines within 20 minutes is murderbonning to my eyes.

PS: Won't reply often, I am at work for 5h remaining...

I don't have access to logs, but you shot a sniper at me and it missed. While I was cloaked. I decloaked and hit you three times. That was not "surprise", you knew I was there and you shot at me. So you got slashed. And yes, as I previously stated i threw my disc in a group of marines and fled because they were chasing me and I was near death. I used the Spike Launcher to hit people who were trying to chase after me when I was attempting to hit Ricky. I wasn't attacking them, if I was I would have meeled. My "how to play" states that I intend to target a "single honorable prey", in this Case Ricky, who had previously engaged me and had a keen eye to see me cloaked on sand tiles. So I went after him.

[northcote4]

Never shot you, beside if you really want to get into that, you attacked me by surprise, then from my KO which is against 1.1 Code of Honor, AKA not honorful/game hunt, neither, again, according to your 'how to play'.

Sorry, but I feel compelled to make these points:

1. Regarding the 'How you intend to play' on Predator applications. From my understanding this reflects a guideline and sets up character traits. Predators are not required to always play according to the methods they described in their character application.

2. Regarding honourable prey. A surprise attack is not a violation of the honour code, especially if the predator de-cloaked prior to attacking.

You refer to point 1.1 of the Code of Honor:

Hunting Worthy Game: When hunting, the hunter must be sure that his prey is considered game. To be considered "prey" and be lawful to kill the prey much fit the following requirements:
Can defend itself and/or is able to kill the hunter (SSD is a big no-no, same with marines who are in crit and bleeding out with some exceptions listed below)

From what I can tell you attempted to engage Rain previously (regardless of whether or not you actually managed to hit him). This definitely categorises you as prey capable of defending itself. Being knocked unconscious by a predator does not make you invalid as a target. Attacking knocked down or unconscious prey is, rather, a note in point 7 of the Code of Honor, which specifically refers to Honor Duels. This was a Hunt, not an Honor Duel.

[Dolth]

How do you intend to play your predator (as in, describe HOW you will act/play your predator. This will weigh HEAVILY and frequently breaking from this MAY result in removal)?
I want to be a predator that engages honorable prey 1v1, not attacking entire teams, but rather a single honorable prey. I intend to make sure that I analyze my enemy, and exploit their weaknesses accordingly. I am by no means there just to kill people. but rather to test my merit against xenos and marines alike.

I struggle to see how you can understand something else, northcote4.
Facts remain the app insist "HEAVILY" on respecting the 'How you intend to play' and from what happened it was not respected at all, in fact the opposite was done, twice.

From what I can tell you attempted to engage Rain previously (regardless of whether or not you actually managed to hit him). This definitely categorises you as prey capable of defending itself. Being knocked unconscious by a predator does not make you invalid as a target. Attacking knocked down or unconscious prey is, rather, a note in point 7 of the Code of Honor, which specifically refers to Honor Duels. This was a Hunt, not an Honor Duel.

Welp, once more I didn't engage him but I -do- understand he might of thought that, as he was running straight between marines and aliens fighting, cloaked, bullet might flew close to him. I'll admit that detail is greyzone from now but on a sidenote, have my word, I didn't even target him otherwise I would expect him to stalk me. But yeah, just forget that detail.

On another hand, I checked logs and apparently you killed me because you decided I had your disk (12:59:11) yet you said it was cause I shot you on the complaint,
You said you meant to chase me off? You knocked me uncouncious the first time, then stabbed me four time to the head. That is not chasing off, it is going melee to kill with 4 time (12:58:37).
Chasing off would rather be, stabbing once or using your speargun, which you did on Caryl, Jim, Ed, Gwendolyn which ALL of them were chasing you just like LOGS show.(12:45:05/12:55:54/12:50:38), even Shust got a full burst on you (12:50:49) and in the meanwhile you 'chased me off' Hans and even an alien spitter were attacking you.

So, no. You did not 'just wanted to chase me off', that was just murderbonning. Logs are saying enough.

Hunting Worthy Game: When hunting, the hunter must be sure that his prey is considered game. To be considered "prey" and be lawful to kill the prey much fit the following requirements:
Can defend itself and/or is able to kill the hunter (SSD is a big no-no, same with marines who are in crit and bleeding out with some exceptions listed below)

I doubt a prey can defend itself when you knock it uncouncious with the first hit just after appearing in his back. In that case, the "prey" CANNOT defend itself and is turned crit.
Though, I can understand an admin see it otherwise but frankly, from my point of view, it is totally NOT respecting the 'Hunting Worthy Game'


Now as a quick summary and using logs as support :

- You did attack a large amount of marines, it is from far opposed to your own 'How you intend to play' and it "MAY result in removal".
- Murdered a marine (myself) totally on purposes while you admitted chasing someone else, and thus, proven by logs and your own post.

And in addition on that, which lies more to greyzone :

- Broke 1.1 Code of Honor by just waking dead a one-hit-uncouncious prey from surprise.
- Didn't have any reasons to specificly target your first kill.

- You're not chasing off marines and attacking 'here and there' when you actually go melee to different person with sword, then wrist, when you could just cloak (we were north hydro, he fought 15 tiles west and could just go either west/north to escape, not even cloaking would of done the trick if he really wanted to escape or just break out).

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PS: That took me one hour to write with an additional half-hour with initial post, and it's the main reason why I did not report you the first time on Ice Colony whereas you did a less toxic version of that.

[Feweh]

Im not seeing anything wrong here.

I don't expect anyone to play exactly as they describe in their APP every round.

[Dolth]

How do you intend to play your predator (as in, describe HOW you will act/play your predator. This will weigh HEAVILY and frequently breaking from this MAY result in removal)?
I want to be a predator that engages honorable prey 1v1, not attacking entire teams, but rather a single honorable prey. I intend to make sure that I analyze my enemy, and exploit their weaknesses accordingly. I am by no means there just to kill people. but rather to test my merit against xenos and marines alike.

Facts remain the app insist "HEAVILY" on respecting the 'How you intend to play' and from what happened it was not respected at all, in fact the opposite was done, twice.

Alright then. Well, there is still something that isn't normal to me.

Rain7x claimed few things:

Actually, I was stalking Ricky Prescott since the beginning of the round, and I killed a total of two people, you, the spec, who tried to shoot at me while I was cloaked observing, looking for Ricky. I decloaked and rng wasn't in your favor and decapped you in three hits. I meant to chase you off as I was looking for one person."

I used the Spike Launcher to hit people who were trying to chase after me when I was attempting to hit Ricky. I wasn't attacking them, if I was I would have meeled.

You said you meant to chase me off? You knocked me uncouncious the first time, then stabbed me four time to the head.
I think it is going melee to kill with 5 hit (12:58:37).
Wouldn't chasing off rather be as you said, stabbing once or using your speargun, which you did on Caryl, Jim, Ed, Gwendolyn which all of them were chasing you just like logs show.(12:45:05/12:55:54/12:50:38), even Shust got a full burst on you (12:50:49) and in the meanwhile you 'chased me off' Hans and even an alien spitter were attacking you.

And in addition of that, logs prove you actually killed me because I 'maybe' had your disc, I am not even sure humans can take it lol.

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[12:56:15]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : They have my smart disc...
[12:56:21]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : The oomans.
[12:57:17]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : I have no idea. It doesn't matter, they will die before they find it of use.
[12:58:20]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : I couldn't give you an accurate one as there were many.

[12:59:11]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : The one who stole is is dead. He did not have it.
[12:59:24]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : I just killed him. It is most likely with somebody else.

[Feweh]

Alright then. Well, there is still something that isn't normal to me.

Rain7x claimed few things:



You said you meant to chase me off? You knocked me uncouncious the first time, then stabbed me four time to the head.
I think it is going melee to kill with 5 hit (12:58:37).
Wouldn't chasing off rather be as you said, stabbing once or using your speargun, which you did on Caryl, Jim, Ed, Gwendolyn which all of them were chasing you just like logs show.(12:45:05/12:55:54/12:50:38), even Shust got a full burst on you (12:50:49) and in the meanwhile you 'chased me off' Hans and even an alien spitter were attacking you.

And in addition of that, logs prove you actually killed me because I 'maybe' had your disc, I am not even sure humans can take it lol.

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[12:56:15]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : They have my smart disc...
[12:56:21]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : The oomans.
[12:57:17]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : I have no idea. It doesn't matter, they will die before they find it of use.
[12:58:20]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : I couldn't give you an accurate one as there were many.

[12:59:11]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : The one who stole is is dead. He did not have it.
[12:59:24]SAY: Unknown/Rain7x : I just killed him. It is most likely with somebody else.

I don't understand what the issue is?

Predators are antags, they may attack people harming them, especially those in the way of their target.
Right now you're basically saying, "It's acceptable that I was shooting at him to kill him, but not acceptable that he attacked me back and killed me".
It doesn't work that way.
Predators are antags, they're there to hunt and kill people.. thats how they work.

People seem to have this odd thought that Predators need to fall into a specific checklist before they can do anything, it's not like that at all.
To be fair, the honor code generally only applies to your initial target/prey... those surrounding your target are free to be engaged if in the way.

[Dolth]

No, I am just saying everything about predators say basiclly you chase a single prey, and you chase whoever comes across.

Well, rain7x claimed he wanted to chase me off but in the end stabbed me in the head 5 times and that's against rule 3 of preds.

If predators would be allowed to kill someone just because "they shot in their direction" then in that case, they would go murderspree.

From what I understand a predator should hunt a single prey and chase off the rest, not randomly pick a prey from the bunch they agroed... Right?

EDIT: The fact he is struggling to find an excuse of killing me lies in the fact he said 3 different reasons. Which just proves he murderbonned me, which is against rule 3 of preds.
And ontop of that, I did not shoot at him. Jesus, he was cloaked at night while I was shooting aliens for a solid 5 minutes, obviously he would step in front of me at any point. If I would REALLY shot at him I guess I wouldn't be retarded enough to stand still with sniper rifle, especially when I have a shotgun as backup weapon.

And yeah, I was standing still for easily 30 seconds. Ask whoever plays with me I do sit my ass in a tarp most of the time as marksman either for shooting sniper either for ambush shotgun.

[northcote4]

If predators would be allowed to kill someone just because "they shot in their direction" then in that case, they would go murderspree.

From what I understand a predator should hunt a single prey and chase off the rest, not randomly pick a prey from the bunch they agroed... Right?

Ideally predators will pick out individual targets of worth to hunt and take trophies from. However predators are wholly allowed to defend themselves from any and all people who attack them. It is the players themselves who make the decision whether or not to retaliate with lethal force in such a situation, but obviously attempting to minimise rampant destruction is ideal, for the sake of the round.

I won't address the latter half of what you said as I can't make that call. But I do believe you have some fair points.

[Dolth]

Thing is. I was standing at hydro, shooting at table fort while we had few marines dying out there to aliens. West of me was the bunch of 5 guys he fought with. I am pretty sure he walked close in my line of fire cloaked, obviously while looking 50 tiles further I am not even paying attention to anything close, even more if he's cloaked. If I was shooting at him then I believe I wouldn't of stood still with a dam sniper in hand at close combat, peering in the scope...

Anyway Rain7x is even struggling to bring up a reason of my killing... First time saying he just wanted to chase me off (but ended slashing 5 time in the head, 4 when I was uncouncious). Then saying he wouldn't melee if he was attacking (but he meleed two people excluding me in the clusterfuck), then finally logs shows that apparently, nevermind, it was just because he thought I had the disc.

So yeah, basiclly, there were no reasons of killing. Which joins rule number 3, you're no murderbonning antag.

[forwardslashN]

You had a sniper rifle, shot in his direction, and was killed as a result. That is completely acceptable. Your complaint lists the following:
>And today, he merely engaged repetidivly WHOLE squads to murder with hand-wrist (aiming at the head) tons of people including myself while I was using scope.
The only people who died were you and the prey that he was hunting. That in itself invalidates your complaint, since it is factually false. Based on what I am seeing here, you are just arguing that killing you was dishonorable, when you were armed, dangerous, and with a group of other marines that had the intended prey, so I'm going with Feweh here that this is nonsensical.

However, Rain should be playing as described in his application style. While this may be an isolated incident, he should still strive to actually follow what he promised he would do and stay away from attacking large groups. I recommend reminding Rain of this and closing the complaint.

[Dolth]

Whatever.

[Rain7x]

You had a sniper rifle, shot in his direction, and was killed as a result. That is completely acceptable. Your complaint lists the following:
>And today, he merely engaged repetidivly WHOLE squads to murder with hand-wrist (aiming at the head) tons of people including myself while I was using scope.
The only people who died were you and the prey that he was hunting. That in itself invalidates your complaint, since it is factually false. Based on what I am seeing here, you are just arguing that killing you was dishonorable, when you were armed, dangerous, and with a group of other marines that had the intended prey, so I'm going with Feweh here that this is nonsensical.

However, Rain should be playing as described in his application style. While this may be an isolated incident, he should still strive to actually follow what he promised he would do and stay away from attacking large groups. I recommend reminding Rain of this and closing the complaint.

Yes, I understand that what I did did stray from my playstyle, and I will work towards maintaining that.

[Feweh]

Resolved