Helping to improve peoples whitelist applications and encouraging roleplay

[gameoverman]

I have been reading through whitelist applications for the various roles open to the colonial marine players, both approved and denied and a common theme of community based support is occuring. A majority of the time other forum users are very insightful and helpful towards these applications, however there are also those who simply belittle the applicant or the poster of a topic. Perhaps the most dissapointing of these is from the forum staff, as it is my understanding it is their desire to help improve the experience of the players and facilitate their developent in roleplay.

I will not deny the moderators are busy, dealing with alot of shit and many, many chucklefucks. The idea that anyone with the time or patience to write a detailed paragraph to each member on the forum is laughable, however potential applicants should be encouraged to improve, not belittled and told they are terrible/stupid. On a similar topic, i am curious as to why applications are locked after denial? My guess is to prevent complaining from the denied, however this again- prevents the community and staff from helping to improve that persons application in the future.

As mentioned, there are alot of people who encourage new and improving players, I thank you deeply and hope you continue to improve CM with your attitude. similarly I expect I will be Scrutinized for my observations, however I am simply asking peoples opinion on the matter. Is it really that difficult to offer advice and help your fellow gamer?

[NoahKirchner]

I think from your reply in your recently denied predator application and the way you address the community in this post that you misunderstand the difference between belittling an applicant and pointing out flaws in an application. Just because somebody does not teach you how to make your application better when leaving a reply, does not mean that it was meant to intentionally to anger or belittle the person. If you look at a response, in almost all cases where there is no constructive feedback, the criticisms of the post allow the reader to pick out what is wrong with their application and correct in the future. It's not the job of the community to correct an application, anyone can look at what someone suggested and stick it right into their story. Rather, it should be the job of the applicant to see what was pointed out as incorrect, learn from their mistakes, and put in a fair amount of brain power to attempt to fix their applications. There is nothing wrong with feedback, but it should not be expected, complained about and required from all community members. CM is not a school to teach roleplay, and it is not the staff's job to "facilitate their [The community's] developent in roleplay.", rather it is their job to ensure that rules are followed and that roleplay keeps within an acceptable standard.

I would assume threads being locked is a logistical thing, as it's done for any post moved into the archive section of the forum, regardless of outcome.

[shyshadow]

I think from your reply in your recently denied predator application and the way you address the community in this post that you misunderstand the difference between belittling an applicant and pointing out flaws in an application. Just because somebody does not teach you how to make your application better when leaving a reply, does not mean that it was meant to intentionally to anger or belittle the person. If you look at a response, in almost all cases where there is no constructive feedback, the criticisms of the post allow the reader to pick out what is wrong with their application and correct in the future. It's not the job of the community to correct an application, anyone can look at what someone suggested and stick it right into their story. Rather, it should be the job of the applicant to see what was pointed out as incorrect, learn from their mistakes, and put in a fair amount of brain power to attempt to fix their applications. There is nothing wrong with feedback, but it should not be expected, complained about and required from all community members. CM is not a school to teach roleplay, and it is not the staff's job to "facilitate their [The community's] developent in roleplay.", rather it is their job to ensure that rules are followed and that roleplay keeps within an acceptable standard.

I would assume threads being locked is a logistical thing, as it's done for any post moved into the archive section of the forum, regardless of outcome.

Basically what Noah said, while I do have an application currently (Not Advertisement) I've obviously felt discouraged but with insightful critiques.

[Feweh]

I love these threads from players who are upset about their applications being denied and then want to push for a "change". The common theme always extends from the same individuals, the least qualified for said position and its usually because they dont want to wait the denial period.


Moving on, Noah is correct. You were denied under the pretense that your community activity is shit and you responded like a child would, showing your maturity and ill suited nature for the role.

When you apply for a job, do they call you and tell you why they're denying and offer to sit down with you to re-write your application?

When you write an exam for school, does the teacher sit down and go over each question and re-explain the entire chapter to you?

When you tryout for a sports team, do they sit you down later and tell you why you arent making the team? Or do you logically just assume you arent good enough?


My actual advice to you however is to grow up. Your responses and little tantrum you threw was childish. If youre going to apply to a position make sure you fit every criteria possible and dont devolve into a child just because things arent going your way.


In all, grow up because no one is going to hold your hand through life.

[gameoverman]

"Moving on, Noah is correct. You were denied under the pretense that your community activity is shit and you responded like a child would, showing your maturity and ill suited nature for the role."

Your application is fine, however we want our predators to be active on the forum
=Too hard to say
>Also I hope a child would ask for advice to improve when denied, it does indeed show maturity and a desire to achieve the standards set,

"My actual advice to you however is to grow up. Your responses and little tantrum you threw was childish. If youre going to apply to a position make sure you fit every criteria possible and dont devolve into a child just because things arent going your way."

Asking for advice is not childish nor is it a tantrum: furthermore, If forum participation is a problem, shitting all over someones opinion because it questions a decision you made is not how you encourage said participation. Im expressing a concern i have that i know i shared by other players and am met with intense backlash, further discouraging participation.

The wait period is not a problem, I enjoy the game thoroughly and have been playing for year/s, whats another three months? Perhaps an indication that forum participation is part of the criteria will prevent these sort of queries in the future?

Ultimately I didnt post the thread to start a shitfight, it is one i could not win. Trying to fight an admin is like trying to stop a blender with your dick. It is simply my observation and feedback from my experiences on the forums, which you want me to be more active in.

[gameoverman]

Basically what Noah said, while I do have an application currently (Not Advertisement) I've obviously felt discouraged but with insightful critiques.

I guess As a newcomer to the forum i was just expecting a warmer welcome/a little more direction? Feel a bit down but am keen to improve my character and try again next time! Good luck with your application hunter!

[gameoverman]

I would assume threads being locked is a logistical thing, as it's done for any post moved into the archive section of the forum, regardless of outcome.[/quote]

Do those poor bastards have to read every reply or something?

[NoahKirchner]

I would assume threads being locked is a logistical thing, as it's done for any post moved into the archive section of the forum, regardless of outcome.

Do those poor bastards have to read every reply or something?

For reference, you can hit the little quotation marks to the right of a post that someone's made to automatically quote what they're saying. You can alternatively start and finish it with [ 'quote = "namegoeshere" ' ] [ '/quote' ] without the spaces or apostrophes. (Posted this because of your earlier response to feweh and the misspell here.)

And no, it is logistics so that they can cycle out old and denied applications when everything is said and done and put it into the archives as opposed to having 500 applications in a single subforum, only two of which are actually up for debate. It keeps things clean and tidy, and in almost every case there is nothing more that needs to be said in an application that can't be done via mchat or pm.

[NoahKirchner]

"Moving on, Noah is correct. You were denied under the pretense that your community activity is shit and you responded like a child would, showing your maturity and ill suited nature for the role."

Your application is fine, however we want our predators to be active on the forum
=Too hard to say
>Also I hope a child would ask for advice to improve when denied, it does indeed show maturity and a desire to achieve the standards set,

"My actual advice to you however is to grow up. Your responses and little tantrum you threw was childish. If youre going to apply to a position make sure you fit every criteria possible and dont devolve into a child just because things arent going your way."

Asking for advice is not childish nor is it a tantrum: furthermore, If forum participation is a problem, shitting all over someones opinion because it questions your authority is not how you encourage said participation. In fact its quite pathetic, Im expressing a concern i have that i know i shared by other players and am met with intense backlash, further discouraging participation.

The wait period is not a problem, I enjoy the game thoroughly and have been playing for year/s, whats another three months? Perhaps an indication that forum participation is part of the criteria will prevent these sort of queries in the future?

Ultimately I didnt post the thread to start a shitfight, it is one i could not win. Trying to fight an admin is like trying to stop a blender with your dick. It is simply my observation and feedback from my experiences on the forums, which you want me to be more active in.

Your "request for advice" was not what was in question, rather, these responses were.

Er, the app was a bit sub-par if I may interject. Your goal of "using ranged weaponry to defenses to scatter the team" is essentially winning the game for one side.

Not if its indiscriminate. Working with my title the whole aim of Jehdin is to seed chaos in the ranks of all combatants. Disrupting that impenetrable marine firing line, dislodging those pesky boilers guarded by praetorians.

How bout some constructive feedback to help me make it better instead of Going neck beard on me

Denied.
Joined April 10th, Posted application May10th and only has 1post the entire time.
Why do you think we have a 30day waiting period after registering? So you can register and say nothing on the forums, come on people.

This is my third account, it keeps getting deleted. When there is worth something commenting on The forums I will do so.

In addition, I've been playing on the CM server for up to and over a year. Basing your approval/denial on participation in your forums it is no wonder you have so few people willing to apply.

Also also: how bout some advice to improve my application instead of just having a QQ about my posts

When presented with a rather major flaw in your application from Feweh (Which has a point, you are almost entirely unknown), you decided to attempt to dismiss his argument by claiming that everything he was saying was a "QQ about your posts", despite being a perfectly valid criticism and something that anyone attempting to better their application would have taken in stride and worked to become a better part of the community.

PASSING THAT

When I offered constructive criticism, explaining that the app was subpar, and giving a reason for it (in that your playstyle was faulty, in my opinion), you decided to first respond to my criticism, which seems acceptable and reasonable, if it was a bit of shaky reasoning. Until you begin to accuse me of "going neckbeard" on you for not every so carefully holding your hand and walking you through every grammatical error, piece of poor storytelling, and obvious clear lack of knowledge on basic gameplay mechanics and the predator code of honour, and then entirely rewriting your application for you with a cherry ontop.

People gave you criticism, you could have learned from it, instead you accused us of crying over your subpar application and lack of posts, and then decided to play the victim in general discussions when your shitty application got denied. It is very, painstakingly obviously from that application that you dedicated the most minuscule and insignificant amount of time possible to attempt to learn predator lore, the code of honor, or even basic gameplay mechanics that people who play often are intimately familiar with. I am so absolutely fucking baffled by the train of thought that you appear to be following right now by playing the victim after needlessly insulting people for valid criticisms that I am actually contemplating suicide. It is that bad.

I am sorry for not being accommodating to your every need, sire, I will be sure to write your predator application for you in the future when you request criticism.

[shyshadow]

I am so absolutely fucking baffled by the train of thought that you appear to be following right now by playing the victim after needlessly insulting people for valid criticisms that I am actually contemplating suicide. It is that bad.

I am sorry for not being accommodating to your every need, sire, I will be sure to write your predator application for you in the future when you request criticism.

Noah, are you Native American? Because you're savage, also fucking literally on my sides dying of laughter. Jesus Christ I'm dying, "I'm contemplating suicide..." oh my fucking god that's golden, this ain't Ironic either. Jesus Noah 10/10 do stand-up roasts again.

Anyway, while I see this entire thread becoming a circle jerk. I'd like to provide an actual idea on this topic, while I didn't care all much what occurred previously what I do care for is the reaction on both sides. Having a disheartened reaction to something is understandable; however showing said offense in your reply will land you in a pit that you need others to dig you out of. While I do not agree with gameover's reaction, I can see where they're coming from, but what's there to be understood is that this is LARGE community. It's more then expected to have rude reactions towards someone who isn't known or well received in what they have to say. Game's reaction wasn't necessary and it made you look worse then you probably are, I get that when someone negatively critiques me non-ironically I'm left to my own thoughts. Your job is to let those thoughts go and make a genuine response that IS NOT passively aggressive especially if you aren't well known. Bias is a thing, but it's also a trust-rope.

While neither side is "correct" one side should not have reacted in a certain way. Saying this I do expect a little more understanding from both sides, not sure if I really should be pointing out actual names but I will. While Feweh is known for being blunt and bold, he isn't a dick or anything. His actions are usually justified, however the use of vulgar language isn't something I recommend using while making a critique this is the internet I know, but it's extremely unprofessional.

Anyway, that's just my nickel in this....ummm yeah?