eldefaultio - Moderator Report

[Crab_Spider]

Your Byond Key: Krab_Spider

Your Character Name: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes

Their Byond key: eldefaultio

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): June 25, 2017, 1:15AM - 1:30 AM UTC 05:00

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: Protocol #2. Investigate the Situation

Description of the incident: For the round involved, I was playing MP and I didn't really get into trouble minus a bucklecuffing incident that required Ordukai to intervene and send me a PM. Now, the CMP (Lexis Muller) ordered us to give each and every prisoner the maximum sentence, no matter the crime. So we did. Onto the bucklecuffing, the first incident of such was because I was going to arrest someone but needed the approval of the CMP since the charges of the detained subject had been cleared or were simply too silly, and I did not want to have to risk running around the brig chasing them. I passed the situation off as to being a no-no since it wasn't a search or even an arrest, mostly because no one has ever brought up bucklecuffing for ANYTHING.

Here's the actual report however:

Bill Carson was basically doing his usual SL behavior, and I didn't have a problem with it, that was until I got a report from an SO about him being insubordinate, so I simply decided to look into it a bit further, and since the evidence the SO had given was on radio, I didn't really need to do a fullscale investigation. I alerted the CMP about Carson's status, recorded his crimes (an extra 2 were committed as I was updating his security log), and was about to get a riot helmet and pistol from the brig the moment I had been given clearance by the CMP to go planetside to detain Carson, and as fate would have it, Carson was just arriving from planetside without his gear, so I follow him to cryo, trying not to lose sight or him, especially, and when he stopped at a cryopod to jump in, I tazed him, and then cuffed him to complete the arrest. I pull out a rollerbed I had taken from medbay, and buckle Carson to it, since I didn't need to have it on me, and I planned to return the rollerbed to medbay and just take Carson to the brig. Cue me being slept on my way there, and eldefaultio telling me to unbuckle and uncuff Carson and let him go to cryo, if I want don't want to be jobbanned from MP, since fitchface really didn't want to take up a job slot for SL.

Now here was a a problem with that:

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1) It was in LOOC in clear view
2) I was trying to think of what was going on and honestly, trying to understand why any of that was necessary. A simple PM would have done better justice.
3) Though I'm not even a staff member, it was rather unprofessional. It wasn't a group situation, and it especially wasn't a fight. So again, none of that was needed.

Anyway, after a few minutes I said "sure", planning on obviously going through with just that and dropping it behind me, I'm not unslept and instead, I'm taken to cryo by another MP, at this point, I'm banned. Here is what it says:

A couple of problems with the message itself, regardless of the ban:

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1.) "Overly harsh application of the rules" - I tried to find the many instances where this happened during the round, and so far, there wasn't really one. In fact, I was simply doing what I was told, and I was told to give prisoners the maximum sentence of every crime. In fact, this was said on the security channel, by the CMP herself, and my only harsh arrest was on Carson, and there wasn't even an official ruling on weather or not arresting Marines that are going to cryo was allowed. It's not even stated within the rules and it's never been told to others as far as I know.

2.) "Blatant asshattery and disrespect to MP rules" - None of what was described ever came close to matching with any of my actions throughout the round. The only crime I had committed within the round was "Disrespect to a Superior" (happened in a conversation with the CL and CMP), so yeah, I wasn't even doing much wrong. All that happened were the two incidents that required staff intervention, and that was it. I can't really say much about this part of the message since it could be referring to every incident I had as an MP for all I know.

3.) "Arrested a Marine who needed to go to Cryo" - I admit my fault on this one, with the bucklecuffing, however, a ban, nor a sleeping, were necessary. Ordukai and Zdashe were online, so they could have said what was needed to be said in an ARES announcement to chew me out, or give a psychic whisper. Though that's wishful thinking, my point still stands, eldefaultio's actions were harsher than they needed to be. There were a number of actions THEY could have taken in the moment.

What I was banned for didn't exactly break any rules, except insisting on doing an action after being chewed on it. On a sidenote, I WAS banned for powergaming, but the overall nature of the message did not imply such or even have much to it. The report isn't because of the powergaming however, just the message and the set of actions eldefaultio took that led to my ban. eldefaultio just wrote the ban message, the note for it, and then proceeded to remove me from the server, and some of the message conflicts with the events that had occurred in the round as I was actively communicating with everyone else on the radio channels, and noted some of the arrests made.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): https://gyazo.com/e4d2f30ead103b7f4a31675d3626b478

It took me awhile to contemplate making an appeal, let alone a report, and because I didn't think I'd need to report the situation, I decided to close my window. There are logs of what eldefaultio said in LOOC however.

How you would punish the accused: A warning, perhaps?

[TehSpoderman]

Isnt buckling someone on a rollerbed to arrest someone and bring em to brig powergaming? Plus your note history isnt pretty.

[ZDashe]

So, Ordukai already spoke to you about the bucklecuffing incident earlier,

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[23:58:16]ADMIN: PM: Ordukai/(-)->Krab_Spider/(John 'Buckshot' Rhodes): I hear you bucklecuffed a guy to a chair, or something?
[00:00:37]ADMIN: PM: Krab_Spider/(John 'Buckshot' Rhodes)->Ordukai/(-): Yes. I was doing way too much in the moment and I had to talk A LOT, and I was also getting the CMP's evaluation for the arrest. 

and later you decided to do the same thing again. You claim that:

I pull out a rollerbed I had taken from medbay, and buckle Carson to it, since I didn't need to have it on me, and I planned to return the rollerbed to medbay and just take Carson to the brig.

But, it's apparent you asked the CMO's permission to specifically use a rollerbed to bucklecuff and detain the marine.

[00:31:18]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : CMO, mind if I take this, I have to detain a Marine.

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The only crime I had committed within the round was "Disrespect to a Superior"

But you see here, server rules (Marine specific rule 5. Job-Specific Rules) clearly states that,

• Military Police
  • You must disregard an order if it is against these rules. Furthermore, you must treat Marine Law as an extension of these rules - breaking Marine Law as an MP may result in a jobban.

MPs are not allowed to break the law, not even in the slightest way.

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With regards to the cryo arrest, here are the logs for reference. Keep in mind that this was the final straw at the end, where otherwise you would have already been banned much earlier, and we decided to be lenient and let all the previous incidents slide, until you decided to pull this final stunt.

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[00:31:43]SAY: Bill Carson/Fitchace : MP
[00:31:45]SAY: Bill Carson/Fitchace : I FUCKING RESIGN
[00:32:13]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : On the ground 
[00:32:24]ATTACK: Krab_Spider/(John 'Buckshot' Rhodes) attempted to handcuff Fitchace/(Bill Carson)
[00:32:26]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : You too
[00:32:29]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : Don't care
[00:32:17]SAY: Bill Carson/Fitchace : FUCK YOU
[00:32:20]ATTACK: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes (krabspider) shot Bill Carson (fitchace) with a the taser bolt (<A HREF='?_src_=holder;adminplayerobservecoodjump=1;X=220;Y=43;Z=3'>JMP</a>) (<a href='?priv_msg=[0x500000c]'>PM</a>)
[00:32:24]ATTACK: Krab_Spider/(John 'Buckshot' Rhodes) attempted to handcuff Fitchace/(Bill Carson)
[00:32:25]SAY: Bill Carson/Fitchace : I AM GOING TO CRYO
[00:32:29]SAY: Bill Carson/Fitchace : ARREST ME W HEN I WAKE UP
[00:32:38]OOC: (LOCAL) Bill Carson/Fitchace : let me go to cryo
[00:32:42]OOC: (LOCAL) Bill Carson/Fitchace : so a new SL can get the slot
[00:32:48]OOC: (LOCAL) Bill Carson/Fitchace : I am legit leaving
[00:33:00]OOC: (LOCAL) John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : Mhm
[00:33:01]OOC: (LOCAL) Bill Carson/Fitchace : ok well goodnight
[00:33:02]OOC: (LOCAL) John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : mhm
[00:33:05]ADMIN: eldefaultio/(-) used Toggle Sleeping on Krab_Spider/(John 'Buckshot' Rhodes). 
[00:33:11]SAY: Bill Carson/Fitchace : Hey
[00:33:11]OOC: (LOCAL) -/ElDefaultio : right
[00:33:13]SAY: Bill Carson/Fitchace : I am going to cryo
[00:33:15]OOC: (LOCAL) -/ElDefaultio : if you dont want a job ban
[00:33:16]SAY: Bill Carson/Fitchace : Can you please help me
[00:33:20]OOC: (LOCAL) -/ElDefaultio : you're going to get up
[00:33:23]OOC: (LOCAL) -/ElDefaultio : and unbuckle him
[00:33:26]OOC: (LOCAL) -/ElDefaultio : uncuff him
[00:33:31]OOC: (LOCAL) -/ElDefaultio : and let him go to cryo 
[00:34:08]OOC: (LOCAL) John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : sure 
[00:35:03]ADMIN: eldefaultio has banned krabspider|Duration: 4320 minutes|Reason: Blatant asshattery and disrespect of the MP rules - Multiple cases of bucklecuffing, overly harsh application of the rules, and arrested someone who needed to go to cryo. Can't be tolerated for any longer. 

I'll leave the decision to higher staff to judge, but these are all I have to say as one of the staff online at the time of the incident.

[Sleepy Retard]

zdashe has pretty wrote what I was going to write, but I'm going to add this on top:

You were recently unbanned and had your perma request denied. You, at that point, were on your final warning. Instead of shaping up you decided to keep fucking around. So, lets go to what Zdashe wasn't able to pick out:

You had arrested and bucklecuffed Kyomi Sin'vah. You broke procedure by not telling them to get on the ground, and also by not telling them their crimes. This was also one of the things that should've gotten you banned straight off the bat, given your note history and warnings, but Ordukai was being quite generous, considering you're on thin thin ice.

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[23:52:06]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : Put your boots on.
[23:52:10]SAY: Kyomi Sin'vah/Amaxin : They're on.
[23:52:22]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : No.
[23:52:25]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : They aren't/
[23:52:38]SAY: Kyomi Sin'vah/Amaxin : Well, I don't think I'm walking barefooted around.
[23:52:45]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : Go get another pair from prep, and put them on.
[23:53:06]SAY: Kyomi Sin'vah/Amaxin : It's a long walk.
[23:53:16]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : No
[23:53:21]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : You're walking
[23:53:57]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : So that'd be insubordination.
[23:54:00]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : Splendid.
[23:54:03]SAY: Kyomi Sin'vah/Amaxin : I've got my boots.
[23:54:09]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : Which you stole
[23:54:25]ATTACK: Krab_Spider/(John 'Buckshot' Rhodes) attempted to handcuff Amaxin/(Kyomi Sin'vah)

Now, onto the LOOC issue:

During where I LOOC'd, there were multiple MPs involved. So, instead of PMing one person and having them get dicked over by the MPs, I had decided to use LOOC to get the point across. It wasn't directed at you, it was directed at the other MPs who were nearby. While confusing, it generally isn't that much of a problem as you make it out to be.

[Crab_Spider]

I told Kyomi her charge awhile before I decided to get on DS1 and cuff her, and her charge was insubordination. This was all reiterated when I cuffed them to a chair in the brig and explained what happened and what her charge was to the CMP for a greenlight on it, I'm sure there's also a log for that aswell. Also

[23:53:57]SAY: John 'Buckshot' Rhodes/Krab_Spider : So that'd be insubordination.

This was what I said in place of what she was arrested for, and I assumed they'd pick up the message and that'd be the end of it. I didn't outright state her crime, I said it 30 seconds before I handcuffed them and brought them to the brig. This isn't an actual report either. I'm simply trying to get as much info on the ban itself, so yeah.

I'd say this report is resolved.

[Karmac]

Just so there's no confusion here Crab, bucklecuffing as an MP has been declared not-acceptable methods of transporting or detaining prisoners unless you are taking a heavily wounded prisoner to medical for immediate treatment, once he's healed up you can no longer keep them bucklecuffed.

[Sleepy Retard]

Considering this resolved?

Headstaff? I dunno.

[Feweh]

Ya this is resolved, this player ended up forum banned anyways.