Finefire - Hearsay and faulty banning.

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Finefire - Hearsay and faulty banning.

Post by Vaina » 27 Jul 2017, 00:21

Your Byond Key: Vaina

Your Character Name: Crusher

Their Byond key: Finefire984

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 10:00-ish CST.

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken:
  • a. Determine the bare minimum punishment. There's no reason to jump straight to a ban, especially if the incident didn't cause a major disruption to the game.
    a. Contact anyone involved and get their side of the story. Also, check logs. It may not be immediately visible WHO caused the situation, and you may need to talk to several people to figure it out. Try to do this as quickly and efficiently.

Description of the incident:


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If you were to look at this ban and take it at face value, then you would think it's pretty deserved. Except the ban reason stated here is a gross misrepresentation--if not an outright fabrication--of what happened. It's best if I start five days ago in the Ice Colony. I was playing a crusher, when someone nested multiple hosts smack dab in the middle of the hallway with no walls or even membranes to hem. As you might imagine, I accidentally ran over one or two. One of them died. They both bursted. The admin was chill about it, we spoke, I got off with a warning. These things happen, but no real harm was done.

Forward to the present day. We're storming the Alamo. There's a man trying to escape, so we all ganked him like good xenos would. I almost managed to stomp him while he was down, but the queen dragged him to safety, to which she later ordered not to harm him. I obeyed, nothing else was done. He was later infected once dragged to safety. Everything was fine.

As everyone started to settle in, one infected host (about to burst) got hauled inside. I accidentally run over them. They don't die, everything's fine. I receive an admin PM about it the EXACT moment the guy gives birth. Apparently, the person who reported me (most likely the queen) told the admin that I had stomped them SEVERAL times and against her orders--which is a flagrant lie. With all due respect, I told the admin this wasn't true, and if they'd like, they could check the logs. They later admitted they couldn't access the logs (or simply couldn't be assed) and told me I was getting a ban regardless because it was a repeat offense. They kept citing erroneous information they obtained from the reporter, and went by it. Pure hearsay. There was absolutely nothing impartial about their demeanor towards me--and far from professional. No matter how much I tried to explain, they wouldn't heed to a single word I said and they wouldn't bother checking the logs.

They'd made up their mind the moment I was reported. It all boiled down to "I don't think it was accidental." No evidence backing, just word of mouth and their personal judgment. And with the story explained as succinctly as I could, you can see how the ban reason stated is a complete butchering of what really happened.

And everything I've told you here? I told finefire (albeit a bit less formally).

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
I couldn't log the entire conversation due to chat clutter. I'm not sure if someone can dig them up.

How you would punish the accused: That's not my call to make, but I'd want my admins investigating BEFORE jumping to conclusions and sticking by them.

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Re: Finefire - Hearsay and faulty banning.

Post by Feweh » 27 Jul 2017, 00:24

Did yoi seriously make a staff report over a 3 hour ban which is basically a ban appeal?

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Re: Finefire - Hearsay and faulty banning.

Post by Vaina » 27 Jul 2017, 00:28

Feweh wrote:Did yoi seriously make a staff report over a 3 hour ban which is basically a ban appeal?
I couldn't care less about the ban. What I don't like is how this makes me look like some murder-happy griefer and finefire's terrible approach to the situation. Especially when another innocent, inconsequent mistake of a similar nature could get me banned from my preferred role.

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Re: Finefire - Hearsay and faulty banning.

Post by Finefire984 » 27 Jul 2017, 02:43

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[21:37:44]ADMIN: HELP: Symbiosis/(Elite Empress): Need an Admin to talk to Crusher 923. Ordered them multiple times to not harm/hurt hosts and they've done it more than twice. - heard by 7 non-AFK admins.
[21:38:03]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Symbiosis/(Elite Empress): I'll look into it
[21:38:08]ADMIN: PM: Symbiosis/(Elite Empress)->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): Thank you, Sah! *salute*
[21:38:17]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): Hello
[21:38:20]ADMIN: PM: Symbiosis/(Elite Empress)->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): Nested host, he ran over it.
[21:38:27]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): what's up
[21:39:08]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): Can I ask why you aren't listening to the queen and also harming nested marines?
[21:39:28]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): what? i accidentally ran over one. at the final stage.
[21:39:37]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): who just bursted
[21:40:15]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): I heard you did it multiple times
[21:40:21]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): check the logs
[21:41:00]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): You're going to get a ban if I see multiple attack logs of you harming nested marines.
[21:43:18]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Symbiosis/(Elite Empress): Was it one or multiple marines?
[21:43:38]ADMIN: PM: Symbiosis/(Elite Empress)->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): One marine los a leg (but burst, didn't prevent a larva) and the other was a PO, the crush didn't hit, but only luckily heh.
[21:45:35]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): Okay, i'm going to gve you a warning. I can't get proof of how many times you did it, but know that only the queen can attack nested hosts.
[21:45:44]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): i know that
[21:53:16]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): Okay, I was looking at your notes. It says you were warned about this once already.
[21:53:36]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): another accidental stomp. the host also bursted that time
[21:54:03]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): You don't accidentally stomp on a nested host
[21:54:12]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): run over
[21:54:51]ADMIN: PM: Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart)->Symbiosis/(Elite Empress): Do you recall the crusher who attacked nests?
[21:55:00]ADMIN: PM: Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart)->Symbiosis/(Elite Empress): How did he attack them, by running them over?
[21:55:05]ADMIN: PM: Symbiosis/(Elite Empress)->Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart): 893? Running them over
[21:55:12]ADMIN: PM: Symbiosis/(Elite Empress)->Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart): He had a previous note about it on the 21st
[21:55:13]ADMIN: PM: Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart)->Symbiosis/(Elite Empress): He didn't stomp them?
[21:55:22]ADMIN: PM: Symbiosis/(Elite Empress)->Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart): He tried, but missed. I pulled it away from him
[21:55:32]ADMIN: PM: Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart)->Symbiosis/(Elite Empress): So would you say it was intentional?
[21:55:51]ADMIN: PM: Symbiosis/(Elite Empress)->Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart): Probably. But I can't guarantee it was malicious. He probably was all in a "KILL MODE" really.
[21:55:59]ADMIN: PM: Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart)->Symbiosis/(Elite Empress): Thank you <3
[21:56:03]ADMIN: PM: Symbiosis/(Elite Empress)->Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart): *salute*
[21:56:30]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart): so ban then?
[21:56:42]ADMIN: PM: Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart)->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): 3 hour ban, warn him to be more careful next time or it will result in a jobban.
[21:57:00]ADMIN: PM: Eternalnight264/(Hiroto Stewart)->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): Make sure you leave a note saying you warned him it will be a jobban next time so that the next Mod knows what punishment he deserves
[21:57:58]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): Alright, here is what's going to happen. I don't believe it was accidental. I'm going to give you a 3 hr ban this time. Next time something like this happens, you'll be job banned from xeno.
[21:58:07]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): it was accidental
[21:58:19]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): you literally took their word for it, no evidence
[21:58:39]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): "multiple times"
[21:58:43]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): it was ONCE
[21:59:48]ADMIN: HELP: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): was i just messaged? i got the ping but not the message - heard by 9 non-AFK admins.
[22:00:14]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): It might've been onece, but you don't accidentally use the stomp verb.
[22:00:21]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): once*
[22:00:25]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): it wasn't STOMP
[22:00:29]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): i meant run over
[22:00:42]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): i thought i clarified that
[22:00:49]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): It was stomp
[22:01:01]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): where in the logs did i STOMP that guy
[22:01:10]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): please
[22:01:15]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): cite
[22:01:54]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): You tried to stomp, but the queen pulled you away before you could actually stomp him.
[22:02:12]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): what?
[22:02:25]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): is this what they're saying?
[22:03:39]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): So, you've been warned about this once. You'd think that you'd be more careful after being warned the first time. You're getting a three hour ban. Next time this happens, you'll get a job ban.
[22:03:47]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): mate
[22:03:51]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): listen
[22:04:03]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): i ran over a dude by accident
[22:04:08]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): but this stomping shit?
[22:04:13]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): that's just hearsay
[22:04:25]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Young Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): you're not being neutral about this at all
[22:06:25]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Young Crusher (923)): You were warned about this before. You'd think someone would be more carful after getting warned about it.
[22:07:17]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): and i have been. how long ago was this warning compared to all my logged rounds since then as a xeno main?
[22:07:30]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): accidents HAPPEN, and no loss was netted by them
[22:07:36]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): the both burst
[22:07:39]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): the warning was 5 days ago
[22:09:07]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): compared to how many hours of exclusive crusher play?
[22:09:19]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): if you think i did this on purpose, you're sorely mistaken
[22:09:56]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): You got very lucky that the both bursted, but you're missing the point. Only the queen can harm nested marines. I can copy and paste what it says in the rules of you like.
[22:10:14]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): no, i know the rule
[22:10:34]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): My suggestion to you is to stop playing as a crusher
[22:11:14]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): and my suggestion to you is to investigate before jumping to conclusions
[22:11:51]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): This is exactly what happened you last note. You tryed to injure two nested marines and claimed it was an accident.
[22:11:52]ADMIN: MOD: Tidomann/(Cayden Auman) : I'll speak to him
[22:12:35]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): i only remember running over one. because they nested in smack dab in the middle of a hallway
[22:12:48]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): nested them*
[22:13:25]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): would it be an earlier one? if so, then i probably don't remember
[22:14:21]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): Warned for running through and crushing 2 nested and infected hosts laying in their nest as a Crusher. Claimed it wasn't intentional. Reminded about Xeno rules of not harming nested and infected hosts. by  X on Fri, July 21st of 2017 
[22:15:02]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): i only remember one crushee, maybe i'm wrong
[22:15:25]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): they were in the middle of the hallway. icemap underground
[22:16:21]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): So, this is exactly what happed last time. It's not accidentaly if it happened twice.
[22:16:58]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): You're going to get a 3 hr ban. Next time this happens, you'll get a xeno job ban. Do you understand?
[22:18:10]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): Do you understand you punishment?
[22:18:15]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): your*
[22:18:16]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): nah. it was accidental. the player who reported me told you i'd done it "multiple times", and you took his word for it despite backing no evidence
[22:19:06]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): it's your opinion vs my word
[22:19:11]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): Your story isn't matching up.
[22:19:15]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): you "think" it wasn't accidental
[22:19:35]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): what part isn't matching up?
[22:20:01]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): You said you did it once, but you are talking about how they BOTH bursted. Explain why you're talking about TWO people, but you only did it once?
[22:20:23]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): in BOTH cases you're citing
[22:20:46]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): both people bursted the last time, and the individual in question now also bursted
[22:21:02]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): it's been made known to me it was two people the last time
[22:21:22]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): I told you after you told me they both bursted.
[22:21:35]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): you're confusing me now
[22:21:51]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): who what are you referring to? the case today, or the case 5 days ago?
[22:22:00]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): to what*
[22:22:05]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): I'm talking about today, this round
[22:22:17]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): i ran over one dude
[22:22:24]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): he bursted
[22:22:39]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): that one also bursted
[22:22:47]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): hence BOTH bursting
[22:22:50]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): You also tried to stomp, but the queen stopped you from doing so.
[22:23:01]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): last time was 2 people
[22:23:38]ADMIN: PM: Finefire984/(Michael Carrio)->Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923)): So, i'm giving you a 3 hour ban, next time it will be a job ban. Any more questions?
[22:23:40]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): if you're referring to the guy we stormed on the alamo. 1. he wasn't infected 2. he wasn't nested 3. thr queen told me not to AFTER i almost stomped him
[22:23:56]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): check the logs if you'd like
[22:24:05]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Mature Crusher (923))->Finefire984/(Michael Carrio): and you'll see i'm not lying
[22:24:33]ADMIN: MOD: Rain7x/(Rain 'Carey' Hoth) : its better to just ban him
[22:26:01]ADMIN: MOD: Rain7x/(Rain 'Carey' Hoth) : ban him
[22:27:14]ADMIN: finefire984 has banned vaina|Duration: 180 minutes|Reason: As a crusher,  ran over one nested marine and attempted to stomp on another marine, but the queen pulled him away before it happened. Claimed it was an acident.  Was told that next time it happens, it will be a job ban.
These are the ahelps that went on about the incident. I had a moderator help me with questioning and he agreed with me giving a ban. There were also moderators that were reading the ahelps that also agreed on me giving a ban. I will give more logs later if needed.
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Re: Finefire - Hearsay and faulty banning.

Post by Finefire984 » 27 Jul 2017, 02:48

Also, here is the previous warning that they got for harming hosts as crusher.

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Warned for running through and crushing 2 nested and infected hosts laying in their nest as a Crusher. Claimed it wasn't intentional. Reminded about Xeno rules of not harming nested and infected hosts. by X on Fri, July 21st of 2017 
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Re: Finefire - Hearsay and faulty banning.

Post by ZDashe » 27 Jul 2017, 02:53

If you felt so inclined on bringing up your case 5 days ago, on your first warning when you ran over 2 nested infected hosts as a crusher, and this was your IC reaction:

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[01:26:53]SAY: Elite Crusher (684)/Vaina : HAHAHA.
Another Xeno reported you about it and your attitude

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[01:27:09]ADMIN: HELP: (Young Hivelord (356): CRUSHER 684 JUST CRUSHED TWO NESTED HOSTS AND LAUGHED ABOUT IT - heard by 2 non-AFK admins.
Then I PMed you about it and informed that you killed them both as a result,

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[01:27:30]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe->Vaina/(Elite Crusher (684)): you crushed two nested and infected hosts?
[01:27:55]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Elite Crusher (684))->ZDashe: they're 3/4 larvae, they hatch regardless. and it wasn't intentional
[01:28:21]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe->Vaina/(Elite Crusher (684)): You killed them as a result
[01:28:35]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Elite Crusher (684))->ZDashe: they will still hatch
[01:28:35]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe->Vaina/(Elite Crusher (684)): There's rules against harming nested and infected hosts
[01:28:53]ADMIN: PM: Vaina/(Elite Crusher (684))->ZDashe: it. wasn't. intentional
[01:29:15]ADMIN: PM: ZDashe->Vaina/(Elite Crusher (684)): Well, be more careful about it in future 
Vaina wrote:As you might imagine, I accidentally ran over one or two. One of them died. They both bursted. The admin was chill about it, we spoke, I got off with a warning. These things happen, but no real harm was done.
However, you insisted they will hatch, but none of those two dead hosts chestbursted (I was observing and waiting for them to do so). So you got your first warning about it. Hence, I noted it down to watch for similar future behavior.
In this incident, when the Empress called down the dropship...

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[21:34:27]HIVEMIND: (Elite Empress) : Be ready! The dropship will arrive soon!
[21:34:31]HIVEMIND: (Elite Empress) : ITS HERE!
[21:34:50]HIVEMIND: (Elite Empress) : NO KILL
Xenos started killing the hosts, and so she was displeased.

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[21:35:16]HIVEMIND: (Elite Empress) : Well. So much for that.
[21:35:35]SAY: Elite Empress : NO!
[21:36:12]HIVEMIND: (Elite Empress) : Our numbers are not as immense as they should be, considering we go off to face 80 more of these furless monkeys.
It was pretty clear at this point that the Empress wanted the tall hosts alive and well. Yet, you decided to leave charging toggled on and 'accidentally' run over the nested hosts when there's no apparent threat left around.

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[21:37:13]EMOTE: Ronald Barnes: <B>PFC Ronald Barnes</B> screams!
[21:37:14]EMOTE: Alvin Roberts: <B>PFC Alvin Roberts</B> screams!
[21:37:14]SAY: Elite Empress : STOP!
[21:37:21]SAY: Elite Empress : 923.
[21:37:44]ADMIN: HELP: (Elite Empress): Need an Admin to talk to Crusher 923. Ordered them multiple times to not harm/hurt hosts and they've done it more than twice. - heard by 7 non-AFK admins.
Proper investigation was done, and there were eye-witness accounts, and you also admitted you did run over the nested host (as you claimed it was an accident), our staff already gave you the benefit of the doubt and applied a 3 hr ban for a repeated Xeno rule break about harming nested and infected hosts, since you were already warned about it by me before. If it was blatant grief, you would have already been Xeno job banned and not just merely banned for 3 hrs.
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Re: Finefire - Hearsay and faulty banning.

Post by Vaina » 27 Jul 2017, 03:02

ZDashe wrote: However, you insisted they will hatch, but none of those two dead hosts chestbursted (I was observing and waiting for them to do so). So you got your first warning about it. Hence, I noted it down to watch for similar future behavior.
Really? That's my bad, then. I could've sworn they bursted.
ZDashe wrote: It was pretty clear at this point that the Empress wanted the tall hosts alive and well. Yet, you decided to leave charging toggled on and 'accidentally' run over the nested hosts when there's no apparent threat left around.
So far no complaints. But seriously, mate? No crusher is going to run without charge on--threat or no threat. They're slow as shit.
ZDashe wrote:Proper investigation was done, and there were eye-witness accounts, and you also admitted you did run over the nested host (as you claimed it was an accident), our staff already gave you the benefit of the doubt and applied a 3 hr ban for a repeated Xeno rule break about harming nested and infected hosts, since you were already warned about it by me before. If it was blatant grief, you would have already been Xeno job banned and not just merely banned for 3 hrs.
I'm not upset about the ban. I'm upset about the aggressive approach taken against me, and the gross misrepresentation of what happened to paint me as a shitter in the ban reason--apart from the thin ice. Otherwise, I would've let this all slide.

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Re: Finefire - Hearsay and faulty banning.

Post by Feweh » 27 Jul 2017, 03:11

Vaina wrote: I'm not upset about the ban. I'm upset about the aggressive approach taken against me, and the gross misrepresentation of what happened to paint me as a shitter in the ban reason--apart from the thin ice. Otherwise, I would've let this all slide.
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No protocols or issues were broken by the staff member.

You deservingly got a 3 hour ban and a proper warning.

Smarten up and lose the attitude, its not going to get you far here.

This is resolved.

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