Predator anubcake - siding with xeno debate

[Emeraldblood]

Your Byond Key: Emerald Blood

Your Character Name: Nikki "Sapphire" Skye

Accused Byond Key(if known): a nubcake

Character Name: Unknown (Predator during the round)

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 4:00 pm

What rule(s) were broken: Dishonourable Predator actions/Role-play violation

Description of the incident: First off, I don't want heads to roll or bans to fly, this is mostly about, what I would call, a major role-play break. Nearing the end of a round where the marines were hunting the cave for the final xenos, which were found in the top left of the map by the Marines. So what happened was the Predator was fighting alongside the Queen and other Xeno to help them. This included using the plasma caster to knock down marines to be infected, dragging back Xeno to save them (can't officially confirm this one), and exploding on the marines when they died in the end. I'm totally fine with wanting to protect the Xeno, it is their right to help the weaker side if they wish to. All of that said, however, I believe that there is a right a wrong way to do this. If they attacked the marines from the flank or even joined in the battle at the end on their own, it would have been perfectly fine. What I feel is not ok is basically buddying up with the Xeno and treating them as your friends. A Predator should not be moving around with the Xeno swarm as a bodyguard, supplying marines to be infected, and acting like a member of the Xenomorph Hive in general. Do I think there was bad intent with all of this? No, I think the intent was fair but the execution was not correct. I should note that it doesn't state in the rules that you're not allowed to side with either faction, but I feel like this goes against all the lore of the Yautja. I also was playing this round so while I did fight in that final battle (and survive the explosion to the face somehow), I didn't get to see all of this from a 3rd person view. I don't want any harsh punishments to be brought down, he seems like a cool guy and did fine the rest of the round. What I really want is a strict standing on whether or not a Predator can just ask to side with the Xeno or not based off, "Well I guess I can help them". As far as I can tell, there was no dual or anything that would have had led the Predator to protect the Queen.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): Plenty of people saw this and I'm pretty sure dead chat was muted over it as well.

SAY: Unknown/A nubcake : 4 serpents left, we must prevent extinction
SAY: Unknown/A nubcake : It is a sad day to think we are defending serpents

How you would punish the accused: A warning, or whatever next action, is all that is needed.

[Nubs]

From my point of view, i would definitely say I did not ally with the xenos, nor have i ever allied with a side. I am always at pains to prevent such a thing. Myself and reno were in the caves (he was searching for bravo sl who had been his mortal enemy most of the round) On the way I met a spitter, and after quizzing them was told there were 4 xenos left. As we went further into the caves, we came upon the last few xenos. I told the marines to cease their hunting through the translator.

Marines advanced and fired upon us, so we basically stunned some of them and attempted to deter them. Reno got injured badly and and to go back to the ship, I continued. I used only my plasma caster on it's stun setting, and my plasma rifle which I fired only a few times. I did not drag or save any xenos, nor did I intentionally stun marines to get them infected. I did not attack downed marines with either blade or plasma either. A bunch of marines did run through the egg field, but this was not my doing. I detonated my bracer while i was on fire and surrounded by angry marines, but this was after all the xenos in this part of the cave had been wiped out, including the queen.

If a xeno had attacked me during this, I would have retaliated. We certainly killed more xenos that marines that round.

The words said by my predator above should not be taken in a literal sense, for they were not meant that way, thank you.

E. as before, i gave out my pred name and char name in ooc after round end in case anyone wished to make a report, and will always do so.

[Emeraldblood]

As I was the Bravo SL that round, I guess I'm glad I got to the status of "Mortal Enemy", but I digress. Hopefully, this can all be a big misunderstanding and we can find out what actually happened. Most of what I got from the story was from 3rd party players so it could be possible this has all been blown out of proportion. I know this pulled up quite a debate amongst some of the staff. Is there anything you wish for me to help pull from the logs as evidence to help you?

[Nubs]

In cases such as these it's generally a good idea to pull the entire log of the incident (all words spoken, actions taken, weapons fired etc) and post it in this thread. I will await a verdict.

[Emeraldblood]

It would be a lot to pull, but I can get most of it. I do have a question though, do you know what this quote could be referencing too?

"the pred was being saved by xenos at the same time"

It would help clear up where a lot of the accusations stemmed from. I should also say that I don't want you found guilty if nothing bad happened, it's just a lot seemed to be said that may not actually have been true.

[Nubs]

Ah yes, a spitter or sentinel I believe dragged me away while i was rolling on the floor to put out some fire. This was the incident in which that sentence could apply to. I did not ally with xenos, I did not state my intention to do so, and if a random spitter tried to save me instead of slash me up, it is sadly beyond my control. Any further questions i will answer tomorrow, if required, thanks.

[Feweh]

Considering I myself saw this unfold and thought it was pretty ridiculous.
You were fighting side by side with the xenos.
It's one thing to casually align with xenos, in the sense that you help them from afar.... but a completely different situation to plasma caster people and allow the xenos to infect them while they're stunned.

[Emeraldblood]

So just going to dump a lot of logs for what we do know.

Only you were the one shooting the plasma caster, no one else shot it.
[15:45:54]ATTACK: Unknown (anubcake) shot Izule Cruz (xxx) with a the plasma rifle blast
x41 Plasma cast (all hitting marines)
[15:52:12]ATTACK: Unknown (anubcake) shot Unknown (as Nikki 'Sapphire' Skye) (emeraldblood) with a the plasma bolt

A report did come in that you hit people so the Queen would be able to infect them, as well as an ahelp.
[15:48:35]ADMIN: HELP: xxx/(xxx) : should the predators should be plasma casting marines so the queen can infect them?

IC report of it.
[15:49:37]SAY: xxx/xxx : Cloaked man helping hostile wildlife, it seems.

[CoreyTori]

Just saying we did get an order to not attack predators unless they attack you so that might've been it
but the whole plasma casting to let xenos infect them well maybe they were just shooting the marines with there plasma casters
to defend themselves but it might've just been the queens order to help predators and the predators did talk to the queen. -Corey

[you may delete this if it somehow doesn't connect with the report]

[Renomaki]

I was the other predator that fought briefly with Nub to slow down the marine victory.

From my side of things, I didn't at all aim to help the xenos infect, but I did fight briefly to try and stall the marine major, because I had unfinished business with Bravo's NCO.

Earlier in the round, I had tried to slay Bravo's NCO to make into a trophy (and also to make them pay for almost ruining my prized Praetorian trophy with their squad's earlier attempts to gib it before I could harvest it). I was very close to taking her head, but then I got set on fire and had to back off to avoid being ganked.

Later, she was put onto a dropship, and I tried to claim what was rightfully mine... But the marines fought furiously to keep her safe, and before long I was kicked off the ship, my trophy having gotten away... But I knew she'd come back, and kept an eye out for her throughout the match. Then... There she was, her face scarred heavily, but her hair a familiar sight. I had to have her head...

But at this point, the xenos were on the verge of being wiped out. Normally, this wouldn't matter to me, but in this case, I realized that if I didn't act fast, I'd lose my chance. I looked all over for her in the caves, but struggled to find her in a suitable situation.

It was then I bumped into Nub, who then informed me that the xenos were, of course, about to die out. It was here I briefly decided to join in with Nub on fighting the marines in the caves, if only to slow them down and buy me a bit more time to find Bravo Leader. However, I never aimed at all to help xenos infect the marines, I only sought to scare them back a bit and distract them.

Of course, this was very brief, and me and nub split up, with me heading off elsewhere into the caves while he went and did his thing. I wasn't sure what he was doing, but I was too busy desperately trying to find Bravo leader, knowing that time was ticking. Then I got trapped in the crashed ship by Charlie with no escape and the round ended, thus failing my quest to get the one human's head.

I admit, I didn't really question Nub's idea all that much, him being a much more experienced predator than I, and it wouldn't be the first time where predators fought humans intensely due to a crippled xeno population. Hell, earlier in that round I was tormenting the fuck outta Bravo, driving them insane with my antics. The fact that marines got a major after all that "trolling" amazed me.

But let it be known that I, along with Nubs, had no serious intent to help the xenos survive. I believe he did what he did because he wanted to buy me more time to hunt Bravo's SL, and that is all I believe was on his mind.

[Feweh]

Ill come to a decision tomorrow in regards to this.

[Nubs]

Thanks to feweh and everyone who posted, I will await the decision.

[Emeraldblood]

While it's not my call in the end, I don't want Nubs to get an overly harsh punish. I feel like there wasn't any intent to try to ruin the round or metagame, but mostly just a questionable call made during the heat of the round.

[Feweh]

Nubcake will be suspended from Predator for 30days.

It is acceptable for Predator players to ally, protect and over-watch either humans or xenos for RP reasons.
Generally the reason for protecting xenos is due to their low numbers and the predators desire to hunt. However it is not acceptable for the Predators to fight side by side, with the xenos and watch them drag off stunned marines for infection. Assisting the xenos should be done from afar, mostly without their knowledge of you actually assisting them.

What I witnessed with Nubcake during that round was direct side by side assistance, to the point the xenos would drag him back to safety when marines managed to down him.

To clarify, it is acceptable for Predators DIRECTLY assist marines/humans and fight side by side, which is both lore from the Comics and Movies.
It is also acceptable for a predator to perhaps assist a lone surrounded single xeno from attacks, however a predator would never be in the center of the hive assisting multiple xenos from a full blown assault.

Resolved.