Job(s) Ban Appeal - AntoneAlpha

[Antone Alpha]

Your Byond ID: AntoneAlpha

Character Name: Oscar L. Ettiene

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban): Permanent Job-Ban, (The permanent part is speculation; I've had the ban for a considerable amount of time, and it has not worn-off.)

Admin who banned you (if known): Adminbot

Total Ban Duration: Permanent?

Remaining Duration: Unsure

What other servers do you play on? Paradise, No-Man's Land, Boat Bomber's Server, Aurora, (Does Lifeweb count?)

Are you now or have you been banned on any of them? I only have had bans on Paradise.

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): March 4th - Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Bridge Officer, Pilot Officer, Military Police, Corporate Liaison, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer - Round start SSD

Date unsure - Banned from Corporate Liaison - Joined as CL, went SSD immediately after walking into office.

March 7th - Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Bridge Officer, Pilot Officer, Military Police, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer - Reapplying ban from previous date. Might have gotten lost.

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable): N/A

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc):

Since these bans are from a previous date, I can offer no on-hand here-say simply because it was so long ago, and simply apologize.

It is against the rules - if it isn't, it's just plain common courtesy, and generally wrong - to go SSD at the start of the round. Furthermore, if you in an important position, you should inform the admins that you're cryoing, and if you can't cryo, inform them you MUST go SSD.

I am sorry for going against that, and will make sure in the future that I do otherwise.

Thank you for reading and reviewing my appeal.

[TheMaskedMan2]

Player Notes:

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Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Bridge Officer, Pilot Officer, Military Police, Corporate Liaison, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer - Round start SSD by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Sat, March 4th of 2017 

Banned from Corporate Liaison - Joined as CL, went SSD immediately after walking into office. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Tue, March 7th of 2017 

Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Bridge Officer, Pilot Officer, Military Police, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer - Reapplying ban from previous date. Might have gotten lost. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Tue, March 7th of 2017 

Job bans are permanent until appealed, by the way.

Furthermore, going SSD at the start of the round always puts you at risk of a job ban, as you are hogging an important role away from other players with seemingly no intent to even play it, so keep that in mind.

[Antone Alpha]

Player Notes:

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Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Bridge Officer, Pilot Officer, Military Police, Corporate Liaison, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer - Round start SSD by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Sat, March 4th of 2017 

Banned from Corporate Liaison - Joined as CL, went SSD immediately after walking into office. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Tue, March 7th of 2017 

Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Bridge Officer, Pilot Officer, Military Police, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer - Reapplying ban from previous date. Might have gotten lost. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Tue, March 7th of 2017 

Job bans are permanent until appealed, by the way.

Furthermore, going SSD at the start of the round always puts you at risk of a job ban, as you are hogging an important role away from other players with seemingly no intent to even play it, so keep that in mind.

What does this mean for the appeal, though?

[driecg36]

What does this mean for the appeal, though?

Posting notes is standard procedure for ban appeals. Allows heads to judge the player based on their history as well as the ban they are appealing for.

[Antone Alpha]

Posting notes is standard procedure for ban appeals. Allows heads to judge the player based on their history as well as the ban they are appealing for.

Are these all of my notes, or only notes relevant to the ban?

[driecg36]

Are these all of my notes, or only notes relevant to the ban?

If masked did his job right, which it's almost certain he did, those are all your notes.

[apophis775]

I feel like, I should deny this because you weren't sure that SSD at roundstart was against the rules (it is) and it's the reason for the job-ban.

[Antone Alpha]

I feel like, I should deny this because you weren't sure that SSD at roundstart was against the rules (it is) and it's the reason for the job-ban.

I have not read the rules word-for-word, and my interpretation of serverwide rules is continuous for just about everywhere I go. It's mostly just "Don't cause problems, listen to admins, try to stick to what the server adheres to and is about, and do your job."

I would like to clarify that I am sorry for the incident, but it did happen a somewhat-considerable amount of time ago, and the moderators say that I have no further notes beyond the ones relevant to the job-ban.

I'm sorry for going SSD at round start, it was a mistake. Anything else I say beyond this point will just sound like a hapless, beggy plea. Thank you for reading.

[apophis775]

You just admitted you didn't read the rules... If you are making a ban appeal, why would you not familiarize yourself with our rules?

[Antone Alpha]

You just admitted you didn't read the rules... If you are making a ban appeal, why would you not familiarize yourself with our rules?

I said I didn't read them word-for-word. The aspects of the rules are what matter. The thing is, the entirety of this issue isn't like I self-antagged, or massively ruined a game, it's on a job-ban that was committed because I made a mistake and went SSD at round-start, which happened months ago, and has no relevance to today in terms of player behavior.

I've apologized on this a few times, and will apologize again, I'm sorry. It was an accident and I'll make sure it doesn't happen again.

Just to prove that I understand what the rules are about, I'll give a brief overview of them straddled-in with what colonial marines is in general.

CM is a specialized high-to-medium roleplay SS13 server that focuses on staying in the limelight of what it'd be like to be a marine, xenomorph, predator, or even maybe a civilian. You're expected to stay true to your role, and show some form of dedication to it. As with most servers, it has a core, standardized set of rules that work together to keep the environment of the game fair, and fun for everyone playing. You are expected to use a large amount of common-sense when it comes to things that may break a rule, and just be a courteous person when you play; it is just a game, after all. Even if you play as someone who isn't human, and doesn't-necessarily follow our thought-process, the guidelines for what you play are underlined in the rules, so that you know what to do. A good example of this is how just because you're a xeno, you shouldn't be killing a marine who doesn't pose a huge threat, just try to nest him instead. Or perhaps if you're playing pred, you should be focused on hunting the honorable targets - those that are worth the effort. Lastly even, perhaps as a marine, you should stay focused on acting like a marine; they wouldn't know how to do so many things on the station, like engineering, or most medical things. The key aspect is to maintain the atmosphere of the game, and be who you are in the game.

Look, I'm sorry okay. I feel like this is being dragged on, and I just want to play CM to its fullest again. I made a mistake, I should have used more common sense, and it was stupid of me to go SSD like that.

[apophis775]

I'm sorry you think this is getting dragged out. Truth is, appeals are literally just more work for us because someone didn't follow the rules, so we don't prioritize them.

My concern is this:

Back in march, you broke the same rule, within days of each other. You came back to appeal the ban, and weren't even sure what you did was against the rules because you didn't read the rules.

Just about our motto here on CM is "Ignorance is not an Excuse", because we want people to read the rules. The rules right now are the most streamlined they've ever been, while also covering as much as we could with them. To me, this comes down to an effort issue.
We put the effort in to make and enforce rules for a niche server with extremely unique gameplay and features. Literally all we ask is that you read and follow the rules.

If you aren't going to do that, and in fact, are then going to appeal and admit you still had not read the rules, I'm not sure why we should lift the punishment.

I mean, typically when we job-ban or ban it's to remove people from the server or a job so they can either refamiliarize themselves with the rules or to prevent them from breaking them. How do we know you won't break the rules again, if you refuse to read them?

Especially since this:

A good example of this is how just because you're a xeno, you shouldn't be killing a marine who doesn't pose a huge threat, just try to nest him instead.

Is fairly wrong. As a Xeno, unless the queen doesn't want you to kill or if you are trying to capture for hosts, you are pretty much encouraged to murderbone your way through the marines. It's literally a staple of our gameplay.

[Antone Alpha]

I'm sorry you think this is getting dragged out. Truth is, appeals are literally just more work for us because someone didn't follow the rules, so we don't prioritize them.

My concern is this:

Back in march, you broke the same rule, within days of each other. You came back to appeal the ban, and weren't even sure what you did was against the rules because you didn't read the rules.

Just about our motto here on CM is "Ignorance is not an Excuse", because we want people to read the rules. The rules right now are the most streamlined they've ever been, while also covering as much as we could with them. To me, this comes down to an effort issue.
We put the effort in to make and enforce rules for a niche server with extremely unique gameplay and features. Literally all we ask is that you read and follow the rules.

If you aren't going to do that, and in fact, are then going to appeal and admit you still had not read the rules, I'm not sure why we should lift the punishment.

I mean, typically when we job-ban or ban it's to remove people from the server or a job so they can either refamiliarize themselves with the rules or to prevent them from breaking them. How do we know you won't break the rules again, if you refuse to read them?

Especially since this:
Is fairly wrong. As a Xeno, unless the queen doesn't want you to kill or if you are trying to capture for hosts, you are pretty much encouraged to murderbone your way through the marines. It's literally a staple of our gameplay.

I don't play xenomorph, this aspect of the rules pertains to hosting which is about as far as I've gotten with aliens because I die pretty fast as them (I'm not good with hotkeys)

I actively dislike xenomorph simply because it seems pretty faceless, and I suck at it, but that's just my opinion.

and if I were playing xenomorph in the scenario of what this next query pertains to, the queen would probably say something like "okay, you can slash hosts now," and I'd probably get bored of trying to just nest people at that point anyways, so I'd go after the marines at that time. although I'd probably die because playing marines is just easier to me.

[Tidomann]

I have not read the rules word-for-word

If you are making a ban appeal, why would you not familiarize yourself with our rules?

I said I didn't read them word-for-word. The aspects of the rules are what matter.... It's on a job-ban that was committed because I made a mistake... Just to prove that I understand what the rules are about, I'll give a brief overview of them straddled-in with what colonial marines is in general.

Honestly, I was all for supporting the appeal- but cmon man. This whole thread could have been over if instead of trying to explain your interpretation and understanding of the rules- you simply said "I re-read the rules, and understand that going SSD at round start breaks rule number 11 of Suicide, rage-quitting, and Logging off."

Instead you took the time to read through Apop's posts, and respond to them with your current understanding of the rules. How are we supposed to trust you knowing the rules when new content is added or when you try a new role, instead of just winging it with what you feel would be the correct actions? You understand the aim of the server to be medium roleplay but, you won't take five minutes to go over the rules and roleplay guidelines. If you don't know the rules, how are you supposed to know when to ahelp for OOC rulebreaking? We are a community and as a community we want people who will help push the server to a better place. Part of that is knowing the rules, and helping everyone to follow them.

[Antone Alpha]

Honestly, I was all for supporting the appeal- but cmon man. This whole thread could have been over if instead of trying to explain your interpretation and understanding of the rules- you simply said "I re-read the rules, and understand that going SSD at round start breaks rule number 11 of Suicide, rage-quitting, and Logging off."

Instead you took the time to read through Apop's posts, and respond to them with your current understanding of the rules. How are we supposed to trust you knowing the rules when new content is added or when you try a new role, instead of just winging it with what you feel would be the correct actions? You understand the aim of the server to be medium roleplay but, you won't take five minutes to go over the rules and roleplay guidelines. If you don't know the rules, how are you supposed to know when to ahelp for OOC rulebreaking? We are a community and as a community we want people who will help push the server to a better place. Part of that is knowing the rules, and helping everyone to follow them.

I don't know what you want me to say at this point because this is now about me not-reading the rules, and I don't know what you want me to respond with other than "it's necessary to read the rules, and don't try to manipulate to your own understanding. Even if you bend the rules, the meaning behind the rules is what matters." and also "it's against rule 11 to go SSD, or generally log-off at roundstart. And you should always try to cryo so someone else can get the job you had, and if you cryo as an important role, tell the admins so they can know."

I'm sorry for breaking the rules and I will do better in the future

[apophis775]

This is denied.

Sorry, but we have very specific rules, and if, like you said you don't read server rules and just merely follow the same sort of etiquette you are going to cause more problems.

It might not seem like a big deal to you, but reading our rules is a REQUIREMENT. Ignorance is not an excuse, if you don't read the rules and then get banned for breaking it, followed by admitting you didn't read them and still fail to have an understanding of that specific rule in the appeal, you aren't going to go very far here.

I feel like, the situation is that you are just being stubborn and refusing to read the rules to make some sort of point that you can play without knowing most of them, which is not the case here, especially for command roles.