Lethal force when being executed.

[taketheshot56]

Dont grief, dont shoot marines, some of the basic core rules of the game. Now with the battlefield execution, the CO/Admiral have the authority to execute you without warning, Ive never been executed thankfully, but ive always wondered, if the CO is attempting to battlefield execute you, are you permitted OOCly to kill him in defense? It makes sense wouldn't, any sane human being who wielded a rifle would not willingly allow himself to be executed on the spot, basic survival instincts. You could also argue the fact that it is not improper escalation, seeing as how the CO/Admiral has elevated the situation to a lethal level, so I wish to get a staffs opinion on this and a clear answer to the question, If the CO/Admiral is attempting to battlefield execute you, are you permitted OOCly to retaliate with lethal force?

[Casgair]

Not staff here, but my two cents:

While I could be mistaken, the CO personally going down to execute a marine would be Dereliction of Duty -- grounds for brigging, at the very least. Battlefield executions are orders for someone, such as an (C)MP, to carry out.

As for responding like with like, my own thoughts on that is, sure, it makes sense in character to retaliate with lethal force. It's bound to create a mess that will likely (unless said marine is an absolute shitter) splint an entire team, spill over into salty dchatting, having explaining yourself as CO to the staff, or reliving the whole spectacle in a Player Report, which is why you probably hardly see COs using that authority.

In truth I think using the possibility of a Battlefield Execution is altogether going to be more effective than outright ordering a Marine killed on the ground, but that's getting into a tangent.

[WinterClould]

I'm also interested in this. I feel like there's plenty of reasons for this to go either way so having some staff answer this would be great.

[Robotonic]

Yes. If you're being executed there on the spot by the C.O. you can fight back. You're being killed, no one would stand there waiting to die.

However, you're not suddenly One Man versus The Entire Crew, you can't go on a mad manhunt afterwards shooting everyone and everything.

[Symbiosis]

Battlefield Executions are not something the CMP issues. They transcend the confines of Marine Law in the sense you can technically be executed for mere insubordination.

In a sense, they are the force ensuring Marines follow orders. The Commander, if he feels you are a detriment to the operation, can execute you at will.

You can certainly defend yourself. Or you can follow general orders (at least pretend to) in front of the CO. It's an ability that Commanders+ alone have (not the XO or acting CO) that falls under heavy scrutiny and if used without good reason will likely get a player de-whitelisted.

[Feweh]

Sure, you can fight back.

But no "I thought the CO was going to execute me so I shot him first" bullshit.

[Casgair]

Seeing as there's an OK for this, all staff answers are phrased as the CO pulling the trigger, and it seems that Symbiosis misread my earlier response:

What about the more logical approach of ordering an MP (or perhaps SL) to engage in a battlefield execution? The CO running down to the planet for the sole purpose of killing an errant marine screams incompetence to my ears. I am aware that the ship itself can be a battlefield under circumstances, but likewise the CO actively going out of their way to kill someone rather than conducting orders feels like a fast track to get de-listed.

[Recounted]

Sure, you can fight back.

But no "I thought the CO was going to execute me so I shot him first" bullshit.

Noted

[Tidomann]

Seeing as there's an OK for this, all staff answers are phrased as the CO pulling the trigger, and it seems that Symbiosis misread my earlier response:

What about the more logical approach of ordering an MP (or perhaps SL) to engage in a battlefield execution? The CO running down to the planet for the sole purpose of killing an errant marine screams incompetence to my ears. I am aware that the ship itself can be a battlefield under circumstances, but likewise the CO actively going out of their way to kill someone rather than conducting orders feels like a fast track to get de-listed.

As long as the XO is there to continue to direct orders the CO can go down. It can be in the benefit of the mission, or even the benefit of the rounds roleplay. If the MPs or CO can't go groundside, then it breeds the idea that groundside is a safe zone for insubordinates. It all comes down to how the arrests are done. In the case of a battlefield execution, we expect a certain level of roleplay. This is part of the reason the role is whitelisted- and each execution subject to player reports.

[Jroinc1]

As far as I'm aware, the CO can't delegate a BATTLEFIELD EXECUTION, it has to be him shooting personally.
A regular execution, with the announcement and last words and law, he can order anyone to do that.

[Karmac]

CO has to be able to do it himself, I'm pretty sure jroinc's got it here

[Casgair]

As long as the XO is there to continue to direct orders the CO can go down. It can be in the benefit of the mission, or even the benefit of the rounds roleplay. If the MPs or CO can't go groundside, then it breeds the idea that groundside is a safe zone for insubordinates. It all comes down to how the arrests are done. In the case of a battlefield execution, we expect a certain level of roleplay. This is part of the reason the role is whitelisted- and each execution subject to player reports.

I suppose that makes sense with a good XO and some other highly specific circumstances, thanks.