Report against emeraldmoonx

[Urthrem]

Your Byond Key: Urthrem

Your Character Name: Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska

Their Byond key: Emeraldmoonx

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 21:40 US central

Which Staff Protocols (http://cm-ss13.com/viewtop ... =57&t=5647) were broken: Dismissive way of handling the issue, despite having logs available responding as per qoute "You're clearly salty"

Description of the incident: Reported an issue with Military Police Tornandium Axonium for deliberate friendly fire in situation where I had no way of escaping due to marine line pushing forth with them included trying to shove me forth towards fleeing alien queen. Disarmed due to the screech I made the attempt to flee which in situation where I was being pushed towards the danger I couldn't swap places with Tornandium due to both of us having non-help intend selected. Knowing what was the situation and the fact that the queen was far away the MP still shot me/through me multiple times. Upon sending an ahelp to deal with the issue and have Tornandium dealt with I received response that I was lying and tried to make up stuff with TrialModerator Emerald clearly not reading my messages like they should have, claiming I change stuff around and I was the one to fault.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
Screenshot of the shooting
[url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/76dm6c8xf7f91 ... 9.htm?dl=0] Link to the log file from the incident.

How you would punish the accused: I would prefer for Staff team to decide if possible.

[emeraldmoonx]

I'm here to give my side. First to the "description" of the incident. There's no proof that Tornandium was purposely trying to kill Eurthrem. In the logs I have, it was apparent that Tornandium was in the middle of fighting multiple xenos when the FF happened. I didn't say you "changed stuff around". You offered to recreate the situation and have us both spawn characters. I find this a poor source of evidence, as the recreation would 100% be up to Urthrem to reconstruct as they please. The evidence they posted is simply proof that the FF happened, which is definitely not up to doubt. Also, the log file is way too big... If you want to make an incident report, then you should only be giving the relevant bits...

Right, so here's why I chose to not punish Tornandium. As Urthrem says, they were both stuck and getting in each other's way due to both having help intent. Tornandium tells me that it was an accident, and he was simply attempting to shoot the queen. I have no proof otherwise than Urthrem's side and Tornandium's side.

It was pretty apparent that Urthrem is angry, and yes "salty" as they're clearly out for blood. There's no proof on either side that the FF is intentional or accidental, so I left it at that.

As proof of logs, I have the VV of Tornandium, which shows him shooting Urethrem 5 times, 2 shots of burst fire. 2 seconds before that, shows him shooting a boiler, and 2 seconds after the FF, shows him shooting a crusher. So this proves my theory that it was accidental and he was just trying to shoot, but Urthrem kept getting in the way.

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This is the PM's of us going back and forth.

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[21:15:19]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->TheDonkified/(Lother Jones): That asswipe delibrettly shot despite knowing I am standing in front of me

[21:15:26]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->TheDonkified/(Lother Jones): In front of him*

[21:15:41]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->TheDonkified/(Lother Jones): He sent multiple series, shooting and killing me

[21:18:57]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): Was there xenos nearby

[21:19:19]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Queen but already too far away, I tried to back up

[21:19:28]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): He kept pushing me forth and then simply fired at me

[21:19:50]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Both of us were in non-help intend meaning I couldn't simply swap place with him

[21:20:10]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium): Told you purposely burst fired someone when there was no xenos nearby. They're currently in medbay cause of that. Person called Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska.

[21:21:16]ADMIN: PM: Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): I can assure you that is a complete fabrication. I was attempting to kill a severely wounded Queen who had screeched moments before and had over extended. Some ass from charlie ran into my burst of fire as I was chasing the Queen. I was within roughly 5 squares of the Queen at the time.

[21:21:46]ADMIN: PM: Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): I did hit him with that burst of fire but he ran into my line of fire, It was not intentional in the slightest.

[21:21:53]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium): 5 times?

[21:22:05]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium): 5 bullets, rather.

[21:22:35]ADMIN: PM: Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Yeah, I was on burstfire mode so was firing three at a time.

[21:23:11]ADMIN: PM: Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): To explain it, I was moving forward and he was trying to move east. As I was moving forward he kept moving into my bursts. There wasn't really any way to avoid it as he moved INTO the line of fire.

[21:23:25]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): His/her story is that your kept getting in his/her line of sight while there was the queen aprox. 5 tiles away.

[21:23:46]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): I tried to back away, HE/SHE KNEW I STOOD IN FRONT OF THEM

[21:24:02]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): The queen was nearby, you got in the way.

[21:24:19]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): No, I was running from queen, I was trying to
flee and this asshole shot me multiple times

[21:24:33]ADMIN: PM: Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Also I want to point out that there were around 7
marines all within about a 3x3 tile set all trying to fire. It was a complete clusterfuck of people pushing forward.

[21:24:44]ADMIN: PM: Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Can provide combat logs if that helps

[21:24:55]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): From logs I can see only 2 seconds before/after he shot xenos. So he was actively fighting them. You got in his line of fire.

[21:25:02]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium): I have the logs myself, no worries.

[21:25:43]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): AM I really supposed to start recording each damned round? If so I will to prove that I tried to run away, he delibretly stopped me knowing I am trying to flee and I was already in front of him for 2 seconds when he simpyly begna to fire through me

[21:25:48]ADMIN: PM: Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Thanks, If you can tell the dude I apologize but honestly it was a complete accident that couldn't be avoided. Just unlucky timing in him moving into my clear line of fire on a Queen

[21:25:57]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): I didn't just fucking run into him I was already i nfront of him, trying to flee for my life

[21:26:30]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): You specifically said you guys were stuck going back and forth cause of both having help-intent. Chaning your story isn't helping your case.

[21:26:31]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): I was tunned by the queen and had ravager behind me I tried to escape and he blocked me, he delibretly kept shoving me forth knowing I had no where else to run

[21:26:43]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): -.- read my message again

[21:27:05]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): I said that both were stuck in non-help intend meaning we COULDN'T simply change places

[21:28:05]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): https://gyazo.com/a4bdf5387ce091f866ea96da82f0d8f0

[21:28:05]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): Seems like accidental FF. Clearly the logs show he was in the middle of fighting multiple xenos when you were running. You both got stuck and he was trying to shoot. How do you know it was intentional?

[21:28:11]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): ACIDENTAL FF?!

[21:28:28]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): Yes, that's what I said.

[21:29:20]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Pass this to apophis please, because I will not let this just fly by as accidental "FF" where it was visibly on the screen that I had no way to run anywhere else, I tried to escape, this idiot kept pushing me and simply shot THROUGH ME

[21:29:23]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): It happens a lot... Much more than you'd think. He says it's a complete accident and apologizes. He was trying to shoot and you got in the way.

[21:29:27]ADMIN: PM: Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): I may need to disconnect shortly. Do you need anything else from me or need me to hang around for abit?

[21:30:58]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium): And no, you're fine. The persons just really salty. They believe you did it on purpose.

[21:31:07]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium): I think it';s accidental FF, looking at logs.

[21:31:12]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium): you're good.

[21:31:47]ADMIN: PM: Tornadium/(Tornadium Axonium)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Yeah, It was honestly a complete mistake. Sorry for the trouble. Hope the guy chills out. Thanks for handling the issue, if you need anything else please drop me a discord message as I have to disconnect in a moment.

[21:31:56]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Explain how multiple bursts can be considered an "accidental FF" in sutiaon where you know that you have a person in front of you driectly in front of you, trying to flee from enemy

[21:32:31]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Its as if in real life you had people pushing one and another

[21:32:35]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): Regardless if he saw you. There were still xenos nearby, and no more than 2 seconds after shooting you, he was then shooting a mature boiler. 2 seconds BEFORE he was also shooting xeno, a young crusher. You guys got stuck, and he was fighting for his life as well. Don't get in the way next time? You want to be salty? That's cool, but this is to my eyes a accidental Ff.

[21:32:57]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): That does not excuse him to simply shoot through me, knowing I had no way to run anywhere else

[21:33:16]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Its considered a deilbrate friendly fire

[21:33:18]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): It seriously happens all the time. If people get in the way, they tend to get shot.

[21:33:52]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Okey, go on and make spare chars and we will recreate the scene so I can prove my point because I will not let this slide by

[21:34:32]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Its second time when someone simply shoots through me and once again no real actions is being taken to deal with this

[21:34:44]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): This issue is over. I've given my answer. I'm not going to recreate a char, since that's not sufficient evidence... you could 100% easily change the situation to your benefit, I'm not dumb.

[21:34:57]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): Then I'd suggest you stop getting in peoples way when theres xenos nearby.

[21:35:01]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): FF happens

[21:35:14]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): I've died many times, and have killed amny myself. It happens.

[21:35:26]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Go on and in real life try to stop fleeing for your life knowing you had no other way

[21:35:53]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): This is clearly not real life... and not remotely similar to how a real gunfight would take place, so using that as a defense is completely useless.

[21:36:38]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): In a real military you wouldn't have idiots running all over in the way of gunfire. Cause they'd be trained NOT to do that, and would hold their position in obvious places.

[21:37:15]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): In real military you would have marines who talk back to their commanders and so on. I had no weapon on me.

[21:37:25]ADMIN: PM: Emeraldmoonx/(Eric)->Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska): I won't argue anymore. If you have an issue, you can provide proof in the forums via a player report. Otherwise, all I have is your word, and you're clearly salty. Good day.

[21:38:11]ADMIN: PM: Urthrem/(Maria 'Hound' Kozlowska)->Emeraldmoonx/(Eric): Logs saved, I will post complaint on forum, have fun

I suggested you post here, and that's fine. I have no issue defending my side. I didn't feel that he should be punished as I didn't have proof for to do so. I would feel bad if I did.

Thanks.

[Tornadium]

Just wanted to chime in with my version of events.

I had just finished dragging an unconscious CO away from the Dropship and towards the medbay. The hangar deck was completely locked down so I left the CO at the blast doors and turned to face the xenos pouring out from the right side doors of the dropship. There were around 9 marines within a 3x3/4x4 tileset, it was a complete clusterfuck as we attempted to stop the Queen screech + rush from the xenos.

The Queen slightly over extended and we started pushing, The marine in question kept moving further into my line of fire as I was trying to engage the Xenos that were between 2-4 tiles away from me. He moved east towards me while I was pushing north to pursue the Xenos. He had plenty of room to go around me but he kept walking towards me (He was up and moving when I was engaging the crusher), The entire situation was completely accidental and there was nothing I could do to avoid the friendly fire as you moved into my line of fire twice.

In my honest opinion Emerald handled the situation very well, got the facts and made the correct ruling.

Friendly fire happens all the time and it's just something you have to not take personally and understand that 99.9% of events like this are complete accidents, It's certainly not something to get this worked up about and I hope you understand. If you can accept that shit happens you will enjoy CM a lot more than if you get enraged at being killed.

[apophis775]

Having examined the logs, and the PMs, and the VV as best I can, I believe that this was accidental FF.

As far as the actions taken by Emerald in his handling of the situation, I don't believe he went outside normal staff guidelines.

I'm going to resolve this with no action taken.