NameBan

[Darius_Kane]

Your Byond ID: Darius Kane

Character Name: Brad Rickers

Type Of Ban (Job-ban, Timed Ban, Permaban):Name Ban

Admin who banned you (if known):Cry of Wolves

Total Ban Duration:Always

Remaining Duration:Always

What other servers do you play on?None really

Are you now or have you been banned on any of them?No

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned):Name to similar to a character in a game. (Brad Vickers from Resident Evil)
Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): I've used the only the name Brad Rickers for over a year and would like to continue doing so as it probably helps everybody know if I know what I'm doing or if I'l cause problems (much like when you ask COs or important characters to use one name so the can get a reputation) (I haven't played constantly throughout that time but it's the only name I've used) I didn't choose the name with regards to the character from Resident Evil and had to use google to find out who he was. The character whose name it happens to be similar too (Brad Vickers) is a minor character in the Resident Evil series (He's the helicopter pilot from the first game).
Honestly I don't want to change the name which I've somehow become attached to, purely because it's similar to a background character in a game which came out something like 17 years ago. I don't think that counts as pop culture. If he were called Chris Redfield or Leon Kennedy then that would be different.

[NescauComToddy]

First, it is not possible to have a name-ban applied to your account. About you not intending to have a character referencing Brad Rickers, did you notify the moderator who talked to you about it?

Additionally, no notes have been applied to your account on what has occurred.

Player notes as standard procedure:

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Was punched once by the XO For not doing their job upon joining and decided to tamper with telecommunications, When confronted they explained what drove them to do so and when requested they willingly repaired the damage done so i felt it appropriate to leave this as an IC Issue. by (Moderator) on Wed, October 4th of 2017

What you did isn't an appeal. You could have explained this to the moderator instead of creating a post that should not be in this thread.

[Tidomann]

First, it is not possible to have a name-ban applied to your account. About you not intending to have a character referencing Brad Rickers, did you notify the moderator who talked to you about it?

Additionally, no notes have been applied to your account on what has occurred.

Player notes as standard procedure:

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Was punched once by the XO For not doing their job upon joining and decided to tamper with telecommunications, When confronted they explained what drove them to do so and when requested they willingly repaired the damage done so i felt it appropriate to leave this as an IC Issue. by (Moderator) on Wed, October 4th of 2017

What you did isn't an appeal. You could have explained this to the moderator instead of creating a post that should not be in this thread.

I believe the intent of this post is to appeal for the right to use the name in game.

[Darius_Kane]

Ah. Basically I got told to change my name as the mod thought it was too close to the character mentioned citing the pop referencing characters rule. When I said that I didn't agree as the character is minor (After searching to find out who they were) they told me to appeal on the forums, so that's what I did. I want to use this name as it's the name I've been using and got told to change it

[Feweh]

Who is Darius Kane referenced to?

[Darius_Kane]

Darius Kane is my Byond Username with no specific refenerences beyond me using it to RP on other mediums in the past. Brad Rickers is the name in question which I didn't make in Reference to anything. I just wanted to make a plausible name that sounded like a real name. Inadvertantly it's similar to Brad Vickers who's in Resident Evil but not actually in it (The pilot, I looked it up after I was told that they were in Resident Evil).
I just don't want to have to change a name because it's similar to a side character of no importance, whose name wouldn't be remembered by most people anyway.

[apophis775]

Brad Vickers is the pilot in resident evil.

From what I gather, a mod asked him to change it so he made an appeal?

[NescauComToddy]

Brad Vickers is the pilot in resident evil.

From what I gather, a mod asked him to change it so he made an appeal?

Yup, the player was asked to make an appeal on behalf of this name-ban in case he didn't want to change his name, apparently.

Relevant Logs:

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[15:55:03]ADMIN: HELP: Nicboone/(Nic 'Rare' Redax): marine name- brad rickers, curiously close to brad vickers from Resident evil 2 - heard by 9 non-AFK admins.
[15:57:18]ADMIN: PM: Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582))->Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers): Heya, someone noticed your name is a little too close to another character. You need to change it next round.
[15:57:31]ADMIN: PM: Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers)->Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582)): My name has been this for over a year
[15:57:53]ADMIN: PM: Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers)->Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582)): Whose my name similar too anyway?
[15:58:19]ADMIN: PM: Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582))->Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers): Brad Vickers from Resident Evil. A simple first name or last name change will do.

After the moderator gently asked the player to change his name, Darius began insisting on not renaming his character.

[15:59:19]ADMIN: PM: Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers)->Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582)): I seriously have to change my name because it just so happens to be similar to the name of a character of a game when I've had the name for over a year?
[15:59:30]ADMIN: PM: Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582))->Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers): Yes.
[16:01:29]ADMIN: PM: Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers)->Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582)): The name doesn't break any rules. I didn't even get it from resident evil
[16:03:07]ADMIN: PM: Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582))->Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers): Use a reasonable, lore-friendly character name - Your character must have a unique first and last name. One-word nicknames are allowed inside the name (e.g. Derek 'Double-D' Donahue, Jane 'Crusher' Sanchez). Ranks, titles, honorifics, offensive, famous and/or pop-culture names are not allowed (e.g. Dr John Smith, Barack Obama, Lt John Doe, Adolf Hitler). Also, avoid lore-based names like Weyland, Yutani, Bishop, Ripley, etc.
[16:03:32]ADMIN: PM: Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers)->Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582)): And it isn't a pop culture name.
[16:04:47]ADMIN: PM: Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers)->Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582)): I believe it is unfair for me to have to change the damn name because it so happens to be the same as one from a game
[16:04:56]ADMIN: PM: Cry of Wolves/(Young Hunter (582))->Darius_Kane/(Brad Rickers): You can either change your name or make a name appeal on the forums. Be sure to change it if you don't want any more trouble.

[Darius_Kane]

I'm honestly annoyed that I've been asked to change my name because it's accidently similar to a minor character's (who does nothing but fuck off in the first 2 minutes and die in Nemesis) of a game which came out in 1996.
Do I need to check if every name I'd pick ends up being similar to something else on the of chance that there's some minor character it's similar to? How do I check for that anyway?
If they were a major role I wouldn't be so annoyed but they literally do fuck all in the resident evil games. Even the president's daughter from the 4th game does more and I can't remember her name either.
I thought his first complaint was about me having a similar name to someone else playing CM, hence me asking who.
I wouldn't choose the surname Carson for example because they're an established character.

[apophis775]

Well, the rule of thumb is pretty much if someone notices it, then we ask it to be changed. It's close enough to be questionable as to if it should or should not be changed. I'd have to talk to the staff member about why they requested it.



EDIT: Pretty sad this was my post #6000....

[Darius_Kane]

This could happen to any damn name unless I pick a completely stupid one. The character isn't memorable in the game and I have to change it because someone is really into Resident Evil to the point of knowing a bit character's name.
Rickers came from Riker which I changed slightly while following normal surname patterns so if I'm close to anything it's bloody star trek

[Darius_Kane]

Also Bill Carson is a side character in The Good The Bad and The Ugly. So go give a loved (Hated?) character crap for having a name that's the same as a minor character in a cowboy film.

[apophis775]

Bill Carson's is a slightly unique situation. He pre-dates the rule (he actually may have been a player when it was Infestation Station before I took over and made it CM years back) and there has been discussion about having him change it, but his character is so incredibly well known and ingrained into CM history that it's not something we could easily do.

I can see where you are coming from for this, I will consult with the staff member who requested it.

[Cry of Wolves]

So Nic noticed the guy had the name that was pretty close to Brad Vickers. He asks us to PM the guy to change. I did what I was told and tried to get the guy to change his name next. I thought it would be easy, but he acted pretty rude and tried to tell me off essentially. All I told him is that he needs to change his name this round and make an appeal or don't change the name and receive more complaints.

I just did what Nic asked for and followed the rule guidelines. I didn't make a ban on him or anything that severe.

[Darius_Kane]

And I've made that appeal. I've used only this name every time I've played Cm which has been on and off for over a year. When I first started playing the ship wasn't the Almayer, Aliens could carry facehuggers to throw at marines and there were drop pods (which were awesome).
I don't agree that I should have to change the name because of a character who leaves at the very beginning of one game and just dies in another. He has no relevance to either plot beyond stranding you in one and showing that Nemesis will kill you in the other. That's not a pop culture figure in my opinion.
I realise I'm being stubborn but I would have changed the name if it were the name of someone who had some damn relevance to the plot but he just flies off and dies. He's a nobody character of no actual importance.

[Darius_Kane]

I've also never said I was banned from playing. Just from using the name (which in all fairness I've continued to use because I've disagreed with the circumstances of having to change it). Also, just to state it, my pointing out of Bill Carson's name wasn't me saying that I think he should have to change the name (I don't think he should), since the film is very old, Bill and Carson are both actual names (So are Brad and Rickers) and the character isn't a main one. I just think there's a point where rules become overly pedantic (Real life example would be getting fined for jaywalking in a village with no pedestrian crossings). I also don't disagree with the rule at it's core, which is not being able to use the names of popular/known figures (in my opinion)

[Nicboone]

I was the guy who first noticed it and notified the modteam. Darius was pretty rude both in ahelps and here about this name, admittedly, over frustration that he claims to have been using this similar name for the last year without issue. Brad vickers was actually a pretty notable character, even if he died. He shows up in the movies in a more significant role, as well as in game plot.

While I would hope that you be less dismissive and rude, you did the right thing by abiding by the rule and posting here darius. As for our naming rules: I recognized your name as a character spinoff, which did trigger the admin pm you got.

I would be ok with you using this name, if apop/the other mods do. Please note however, that if something like this happens, instead of getting overly combative and demeaning to staff, just take the hit, and appeal your case next time. I think you raise some salient points about names being super common, but for the sake of things getting out of hand, we sometimes have to follow through on these rules.

If you can work on that compassion for our positions and situation regarding these rules, that would help us a lot, but im all for setting a precident by lifting the "ban" on your name, if not just so that we can have these discussions about name validity in the future in a more controlled environment.

[Darius_Kane]

I've not really played much of Resident Evil 1,3 (borrowed Nemisis but it was a German version which was annoying) so I've been going off of the Wiki entries for the character for the most part, which gives next to no information about the character. As to him being in the films, I'm actually (not sarcastically) interested in who he was and which film he was in since I enjoyed watching them all and can't find a reference to him online (Even though I though that they were pretty terrible after the 3rd one). I'd PM this but I'm not sure how it'd be viewed right now.
As to other situations I've been in I didn't give the admin any trouble over the situation mentioned in the note. I'd had to fix the same issue a couple of days before with no working knowledge of the TComms. The only reason I had to go back was a wire not being put in the R and D server when it was rebuilt (I didn't hide any of the bits as I know there's no way to replace chips) and had no problems doing so.
I also don't think I've been rude or dismissive of the admins. I've been honest in my frustrations and disagreeing with the degree to which the rule went, but I haven't verbally attacked any of the admin staff, nor did I go after Nicboone when his name is revealed in the logs of what happened.
The Ahelp system is great and you get quick responses, but text isn't very good at conveying tone, plus I was pretty frustrated as it was coming to the end of the round and xenos were about to attack the ship.
To finish with I honestly enjoy the game and server as well as the majority of the RP (I don't particulary enjoy it when people start acting stupid like always stealing the megaphone, but it's not a real problem anyway.) and think you all do a good job keeping the worst of it in check while allowing people to goof off sometimes when it isn't majorly disruptive. Thanks for the server and game itself

[apophis775]

One of the things that concerns me about this, is that you continue to use the name despite this not being resolved.

Very clearly in our rules, it says to "go with the staff ruling and appeal" not "Disregard the ruling because you think it's wrong while you appeal".

[Darius_Kane]

That was pretty stupid of me. It was only one round in which I tried to join as xenos first. I then reflected and realised I was taking the piss and haven't played since that round (I did ghost at the end of a different round hoping some larva would burst for a bit this evening)

[Feweh]

This is denied.

There is no such thing as a Name appeal and the fact that you were rude in your ahelps and continued using the name...

No, change your name.