Marines and predators

[Thatnewguy1]

So after going through many predator rounds and experienceing murder machine predators to the rare "passive" predator I've reached a question.

How should the marines react to predators?

Should we try to befriend or shoot them on the first encounter?

Should we try to make peace or go out for revenge when they kill you're comrades?

When you see a predator, lying in the field bleeding out(and not sd'ing), should we save them and join against the common threat? Or finish them off and use their tools against the aliens?

Want the community's opinion on this

[Tylaaaaar]

kill it with fire

[Steelpoint]

Passive until proven hostile.

In the first Predator film the Soldiers only started shooting the Predator when it was very obviously clear it had hostile intentions.

This can change depending on circumstances. If a Predator infiltrates a secure Marine area (FoB) then assume they are hostile. If you find one bleeding out and half dead then assume neutrality.

[Sailor Dave]

Something that you absolutely shouldn't do is run up to them and try to hug them. You'd think this would be common sense, but the only thing a hug is going to get you is plasma to the face at best, and yet it keeps happening. Predators are not your buddies. That doesn't mean you can't have positive interactions with them, but don't act like a braindead moron.

The way marines SHOULD react to a predator doesn't usually play out well, so it's not much of a surprise that marines are hesitant to react, even if it's meta.

Say a predator is challenging someone to a duel, you wouldn't expect their squad to just stand there and let someone get ripped to shreds. Most people don't get to interact with predators much, so they'll generally do just that; either because they want to watch the fight, or because they know exactly what will happen if they interfere: they'll die, or be horribly maimed.

[Heckenshutze]

Follow the ROE.

However if the predator kills a marine it should be considered hostile to ALL marines.

[Gandalf]

Point your gun at them, say 'drop the knife and get on the goddamn ground', then shoot when they run at you 'reeee'ing.

[Ghostdex]

Well in real life if a giant space jamican was stealing your buddies and killing them, you wouldn't exactly try to be friendly with it. It would be more along the lines of 'bang bang' and that.

[Thatnewguy1]

Well in real life if a giant space jamican was stealing your buddies and killing them, you wouldn't exactly try to be friendly with it. It would be more along the lines of 'bang bang' and that.

this is more at the point where the 8 foot Cherokee warrior has killed 13 people already, you really gonna try to kill it after everyone else fails to do it?

[Stripetail]

It all depends on context and location. However, if they seem to be entirely non hostile, there's no reason to shoot at them unless you find some kind of evidence that they've been behind the colony killings.

We had a round a few days back where preds hadn't been hostile to humans, and instead brought a survivor who'd killed 3 xenos to their lodge. Marines followed signs to the pred lodge and the preds stood in front of their building to protect it.

Everything was calm at first, with reactions from "Shoot them" to "We should leave". We then released the survivor to the marines.

The incorrect reaction to this event, was for a marine to sprint up and buckshot one of the preds in the fucking chest. It made no sense.

What made even less sense was when that pred attacked the single marine that had provoked hostility, every fucking marine on the entire map fell down upon the preds who at that point, had been amiable until directly attacked.

[Sir Lordington]

My two cents. At first, you should not be hostile. Cautious, most likely. You'd probably try to hail the strange humanoid and try to establish communications. From there, it depends as to how the situation progresses and your character. I, for one, if challenged to a duel with my squad would refuse. If prodded, I'd just get the squad to make them into swiss cheese.

That said, when proven hostile, any command staff in their right minds should order them shot on sight just like any other hostile.

Remember, predators are unidentified agents in a hostile AO. They are not your friends. They are not your allies. At best, they are a volatile wildcard. That said, it is in your best interest to avoid hostility if possible, you're in deep enough shit as it is. However, once a predator attacks a single marine, the correct response is for all marines to consider it hostile. You don't let someone get away with murdering your brother in arms.

[Ghostdex]

this is more at the point where the 8 foot Cherokee warrior has killed 13 people already, you really gonna try to kill it after everyone else fails to do it?

Squad cohesion dissuades most predators but I'm talking less about hunting it down and more about shooting it on sight

[Lumdor]

The round I played as Delta SL they were beating up a bravo marine, so when I saw this I had all of delta gun down the predators; of course 3/4ths of delta was killed in the process.

Lesson learned; let bravo be predator punching bag's.

[Skimmy2]

The round I played as Delta SL they were beating up a bravo marine, so when I saw this I had all of delta gun down the predators; of course 3/4ths of delta was killed in the process.

Lesson learned; let bravo be predator punching bag's.

I believe you misspelled "let Deltards git gud"
Though props for being the heroes Bravo deserves, not the one it needs.

[4thsurviver]

this is more at the point where the 8 foot Cherokee warrior has killed 13 people already, you really gonna try to kill it after everyone else fails to do it?

Never stopped Dutch from trying.


The weirdest pred situation I was in was two preds walking into a triage area trying to drag a marine off. I knew I shouldn't just let them do it IC but OOC I didn't want to risk having the preds go apeshit and fuck the wounded up in the crossfire or worse SD and take out a bunch of medics and wounded. So all I could do was disarm and drag the preds trying to take this guy.

[Recounted]

Follow the ROE.

However if the predator kills a marine it should be considered hostile to ALL marines.

What ROE? There is none set in stone.

[Skimmy2]

What ROE? There is none set in stone.

Considering that you dont even know if hostiles are planetside, the gold standard is "do not fire unless fired upon" especially as you are operating in a civilian location.

[Ghodere]

Never stopped Dutch from trying.


The weirdest pred situation I was in was two preds walking into a triage area trying to drag a marine off. I knew I shouldn't just let them do it IC but OOC I didn't want to risk having the preds go apeshit and fuck the wounded up in the crossfire or worse SD and take out a bunch of medics and wounded. So all I could do was disarm and drag the preds trying to take this guy.

There’s the rub. Wound a pred fucking with your buddies to drive it off, and it’ll hunt you down specifically for the rest of the round. Kill it, and it’s likely that a sizable number of marines will be dead or dying from the SD. Let it be, and not only are you contributing poor RP but you also are probably consigning their target to death.

[Nick123q23]

OOCly, keep in mind that Predators are ALWAYS bound to the Honor Code, unless it's mentioned otherwise by staff then the only rule is don't be too much of an asshole, but the point of predators as any sort of antag is to entertain and enrich the round.

ICly, marines don't know anything about predators. Everything marines do know is what the predators show to marines, so you can make your own judgements as long as they make sense and have a reason. If predators are just watching, you'll probably want to figure out why despite how un-responsive we are. If the predators are killing the aliens, you might want to help them or let them continue uninterrupted. If the predators are killing marines, don't be afraid to shoot the fucker dead.

The worst thing you can do when interacting with a predator is failrp, like hugs, "hi buddy" or other weird stuff (there is actually a clause in the honor code allowing them to plasma caster you if you do something like that) and ignore them. If predators are dragging a marine off in triage, you don't want them stealing one of your guys.

Don't be afraid to fight, marine are lethal to more than just themselves and the xenos, especially in groups.

Although every predator is a player just like you who wants to have a good time, never be too intimidated to screw with them. We're used to having our plans ruined, sometimes it's even more interesting than just going along with whatever we're doing, because again, our main job is to make everyone else feel better, we sacrifice these things for our whitelist

It's a dick move for us to SD in any major alien/marine position like FOBs and the Almayer, so we try to avoid that. You can also bypass the SD all together by driving a predator off or killing it before it gets crippled.

[Ghodere]

The most honorable death is bracer self-destruct and MUST be done whenever death or capture is close. The loss of life, even if many innocent are surrounding you, is not your concern.

[Skimmy2]

marine are lethal to more than just themselves

No truer words have ever been spoken.

[davidofmk771]

Friendly reminder that if your dude gets covered in enough Yautja blood they live for like, 300 years. Fact.

[mizolo]

Here's gonna be MY 2 cents.

First off, marines don't want to get absolutely CUCKED by 1v1'ing a predator unless it asks you to a duel and makes it fair.

Second, I know it's kinda meta-game, but EVERYBODY FUCKING KNOWS THIS. Predators have LUDICROUSLY STRONG amour, and MUCH better boots. As they are considered "B18 with boots and no de-capp chance", though they CAN get de-limbed. I KNOW, I KNOW, predators are supposed to be that way, but ... when you give them LITERALLY NO WEAKNESS AND EVERY ADVANTAGE YOU POSSIBLY CAN ... ya know ... just ... why? ... Why even bother attacking them when you meta the honor code and know that they have literally every advantage possible in the game.


If you don't believe me on every advantage i'll spell out the list for you:
Has armor as strong as B18, if not stronger.
Has "B18 boots"
Has "super-synaptazine" in their blood, so explosions, grenades, tons of shit like that that normally downs you for an ETERNITY. A pred can just get up and brush it off like it was NOTHING, and then cuck you.
Has "Hyperzine" in their system at all times, as they run super fast.
Has "Oxycodone" in their system at all times, as they can literally get completely fucked over and still stand up.
Can see in the dark perfectly.
Can stun you like THAT *snaps fingers*, BAM ... you're stunned, OH NO, YOU CAN'T GET UP AND DEFEND YOURSELF, OH NO, THEY SLASH THE FUCK OUT OF YOU, GOODBYE.
Has traps that insta-cuck you, and are near-invisible when activated. The predator probably just went up to you or plasma-casted you and then slashed the fuck out of you.
Has smart-discs that can crit you in 2-3 slashes if you don't knock it out of the air in time. Meanwhile the predator probably just plasma-casted the lot of you, good luck.
Can literally cloak on the spot and run the fuck away from ANYTHING should they take too much damage.
Has the best healing system in the game that allows them to recover almost within 5 seconds for ANY injury.
Can de-capp B18 specialist in full gear by coming up to them and slashing them with WRISTBLADES OF ALL FUCKING THINGS, and can't be de-capped like that in return.
Has a self-destruct that insta-gibbs anything in a 3x3 radius, insta-KILLS anything withing a 7x7 radius, and insta-crits and stuns anything withing 9x9.



Yeah with all these advantages the pred has ... good fucking luck.

[Arbs]

Follow rules of engagement. That means, if it's hostile, you kill it.

And if you're feeling ballsy? Then by all means, open up on them. Otherwise follow the "code of honor".

[Heckenshutze]

Here's gonna be MY 2 cents.

First off, marines don't want to get absolutely CUCKED by 1v1'ing a predator unless it asks you to a duel and makes it fair.

Second, I know it's kinda meta-game, but EVERYBODY FUCKING KNOWS THIS. Predators have LUDICROUSLY STRONG amour, and MUCH better boots. As they are considered "B18 with boots and no de-capp chance", though they CAN get de-limbed. I KNOW, I KNOW, predators are supposed to be that way, but ... when you give them LITERALLY NO WEAKNESS AND EVERY ADVANTAGE YOU POSSIBLY CAN ... ya know ... just ... why? ... Why even bother attacking them when you meta the honor code and know that they have literally every advantage possible in the game.


If you don't believe me on every advantage i'll spell out the list for you:
Has armor as strong as B18, if not stronger.
Has "B18 boots"
Has "super-synaptazine" in their blood, so explosions, grenades, tons of shit like that that normally downs you for an ETERNITY. A pred can just get up and brush it off like it was NOTHING, and then cuck you.
Has "Hyperzine" in their system at all times, as they run super fast.
Has "Oxycodone" in their system at all times, as they can literally get completely fucked over and still stand up.
Can see in the dark perfectly.
Can stun you like THAT *snaps fingers*, BAM ... you're stunned, OH NO, YOU CAN'T GET UP AND DEFEND YOURSELF, OH NO, THEY SLASH THE FUCK OUT OF YOU, GOODBYE.
Has traps that insta-cuck you, and are near-invisible when activated. The predator probably just went up to you or plasma-casted you and then slashed the fuck out of you.
Has smart-discs that can crit you in 2-3 slashes if you don't knock it out of the air in time. Meanwhile the predator probably just plasma-casted the lot of you, good luck.
Can literally cloak on the spot and run the fuck away from ANYTHING should they take too much damage.
Has the best healing system in the game that allows them to recover almost within 5 seconds for ANY injury.
Can de-capp B18 specialist in full gear by coming up to them and slashing them with WRISTBLADES OF ALL FUCKING THINGS, and can't be de-capped like that in return.
Has a self-destruct that insta-gibbs anything in a 3x3 radius, insta-KILLS anything withing a 7x7 radius, and insta-crits and stuns anything withing 9x9.



Yeah with all these advantages the pred has ... good fucking luck.

As a pred player and marine player as well, I'll just say this:

Fireaxe / bootknife to the head = fucked pred.

Fire = fucked pred

Throwing knives = constant damage that will possibly end up in a fucked pred

Shotgun slugs to chest/head = fucked pred.

A single, well-manned squad = fucked pred.

There are tons of ways to deal with the preds, the most effective: shoot and when down, shoot it more to prevent the SD.

Predators share the same HP of a human (200) what it changes is the armor. Other than that, almost the same

[Shyguychizzy]

Follow rules of engagement. That means, if it's hostile, you kill it.

And if you're feeling ballsy? Then by all means, open up on them. Otherwise follow the "code of honor".

Eh, Marines aren't exactly or even xenos entitled or bound to follow honor code. It strictly pertains us Predators. As a fellow predator, not exactly dependent on the Marine/Human to follow it strictly, its up to the marine to follow it. Can follow the code of honor which is quite nice and can create good RP and such but not a rule/law the marine is expected or bound too.

"This is the predator code of honor. Anyone who is a predator will be REQUIRED to follow it (along with the predator rules). It's the equivalent of Marine Law for Predators, except it's included as something you MUST follow in the rules. If you're whitelisted IT IS YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO CHECK IT FOR UPDATES BEFORE YOU PLAY AS A PRED. "

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