Is xeno rp with survivors fail rp?

[JennerH]

So we recently had a round where marines and queen made peace and that was 100% against the rules, but is the queen keeping a survivor as a pet/whatever reason fail rp? I'll admit I really enjoy when queens do this, because if I can't hide well enough or robust well enough as a survivor this gives me some hope yet for my survival, even if it's serving xeno scum.

I've seen this kind of micro event play out really well in the long run, like when a survivor was saved so he went to engineering and sabotaged the power, claiming the queen told him to. What do you think about it?

[Heckenshutze]

It is stated in the xeno rules: You're not a friend nor a pet of the marines and vice bersa.

There are other types of RP you could do but that hippie bullshit.

You survived by killing/running from xeno scum.. and suddenly they decided to just make you a 'pet' or slave? C'MON...

[JennerH]

It is stated in the xeno rules: You're not a friend nor a pet of the marines and vice bersa.

There are other types of RP you could do but that hippie bullshit.

You survived by killing/running from xeno scum.. and suddenly they decided to just make you a 'pet' or slave? C'MON...

No, if I kill one they show no mercy

It's only if I'm really nice, or hid the whole time and they found me so I came peacefully. And by peacefully I mean I didn't punch and instead begged for my life (and spammed *cry, that usually gets them)

[Thatnewguy1]

Xeno's are compelled by a NEED to expand their hive and spread their influence over the planet.

They aren't sympathetic, they are incredibly intelligent and adaptive killing machines. They don't spare thing's as it doesn't help their species. Besides even if a survivor could help. Whats more useful? A random human running around and at any moment killing all the larva? or a new crusher.

that's what I think at least.

[misterjoper]

It is stated in the xeno rules: You're not a friend nor a pet of the marines and vice bersa.

Rules forbid from being friendly with marines but survivor is not a marine.
Just clearing this out for you.
May be it's seems like bullshit but it's a something that aims to increase the enjoyment for both sides and this is totally opposite of griefing. Yet it's dealt with as if it's something REALLY severe.
Loyal sane survivor> SSD Larva

[Heckenshutze]

Rules forbid from being friendly with marines but survivor is not a marine.
Just clearing this out for you.
May be it's seems like bullshit but it's a something that aims to increase the enjoyment for both sides and this is totally opposite of griefing. Yet it's dealt with as if it's something REALLY severe.
Loyal sane survivor> SSD Larva

Don't pretzel the rules we all know how that ended for you; 'Marine' stands for any human being.

And it should be severe, it's the breaking point between medium and light rp. And we're the first.

Xenos and humans will not be friends/partners/owner and pet with each other, ever, by any circunstance at least here in the game, deal with it.

[misterjoper]

You just end up limiting xeno RP which is already limited. I'd rather have low RP than NO rp At all.
If you read the Feweh announcement viewtopic.php?f=57&t=14800 you will find the following phrase "The idea is to return XENO IC to an acceptable LOW RP level, rather than what it currently is... OOC central." => Low Accepatable RP is okay.
Even if you consider this unnacceptable low RP i don't understand why you have to take a such strong stance on this. It makes you as much as angry as ERP.

Well it's your server. Whenever it's right or wrong RP does not mater since you own the server and it's your rules.

[JennerH]

Rules forbid from being friendly with marines but survivor is not a marine.
Just clearing this out for you.
May be it's seems like bullshit but it's a something that aims to increase the enjoyment for both sides and this is totally opposite of griefing. Yet it's dealt with as if it's something REALLY severe.
Loyal sane survivor> SSD Larva

My thoughts exactly. Everytime this has happened the queen has made sure to section us off from the hive, and usually she wants me to either play nice until the tallhosts from the metal hive come down, then gives me to them (sometimes with fresh larvae as like a kind of bomb), or has me communicate with a radio to tell the marines to not check the caves and put huggers on their faces because it's totally a good idea.

[Thatnewguy1]

The survivor witnessed the death of his friends at the hands of the xenomorphs.

Why would a Sane Person turn his back on his whole species and work together with animals over asylum with fellow humans?

[Joe4444]

Xeno's are compelled by a NEED to expand their hive and spread their influence over the planet.

They aren't sympathetic, they are incredibly intelligent and adaptive killing machines. They don't spare thing's as it doesn't help their species. Besides even if a survivor could help. What's more useful? A random human running around and at any moment killing all the larva? or a new crusher.

that's what I think at least.

^ pretty much this, why would the xeno scum keep a host as a "pet" when it has absolutely no reason to do so?

If you like star trek, think about the borg, you wouldn't see them keep humans/Klingons/anything as a "pet" when it can use it as another drone? its inefficient, a practice which I think, to some extent, applies to xenos.

[misterjoper]

The survivor witnessed the death of his friends at the hands of the xenomorphs.

Why would a Sane Person turn his back on his whole species and work together with animals over asylum with fellow humans?

Because they gonna kill him if he refuses to do so. Sane person does not lose his cool and think before he acts. Not a fucking single survivor Ii spared atacked my Larva because I only spared sane surivors.
I had made a whole Xeno Survivor frendship guide, and there were several Reasons why it was beneficial to have a survivor in your hive alive, I am not gonna list them here but in general Survivor can do what usual aliens can't. Though I decided to delete it since that guide would have got others.

[misterjoper]

^ pretty much this, why would the xeno scum keep a host as a "pet" when it has absolutely no reason to do so?

If you like star trek, think about the borg, you wouldn't see them keep humans/Klingons/anything as a "pet" when it can use it as another drone? its inefficient, a practice which I think, to some extent, applies to xenos.

You claim that you consider aliens to be intellegent yet you don't agree that they are intellegent enough to think of other uses for survivors. Btw, Survivor is pet from OOC point of view, but from IC point of view survivor is more like a slave.

And I don't feel like arguing with marine mains who just play to shoot shit, and want others to do the same. I had more fun on this server doing this "low" RP, rather than killing shit like you all used to do. You don't value life. Those who don't value life don't deserve it.

[Joe4444]

You claim that you consider aliens to be intellegent yet you don't agree that they are intellegent enough to think of other uses for survivors. Btw, Survivor is pet from OOC point of view, but from IC point of view survivor is more like a slave.

Aliens ARE intelligent, but they're also short-sighted, they don't see other reasons for hosts other than to grow the hive.

Xenos don't take "slaves" or anything, they expand the hive or kill threats to the hive, they care about the hive and nothing else, so why the fuck would they take survivors to negotiate with the marines?

they don't do negotiations, they grow the hive and that is it.

how many times have people told you this joper? this must be like the 5th.

[Szunti]

Which one is weirder? A Queen that born from an old unhealthy egg, healed and fed by a scientist as larva leaving said scientist alive until there are no more hosts or zombies?

[misterjoper]

Just because you repeat something over and over again it does not make your statement right. You have not played alien a lot. You don't know how it feels to starve for RP. The Xeno RP. When I arguing with you i am not actually talking to you, there is no point, I am talking to those who share my opinion, the intellegent people will get my point. The people who are do not reveal themself to avoid getting in trouble. I got little to lose on this server. What i've got from this server can not be taken away now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eAGxiA4p2Q

[Skimmy2]

A reminder that Xenomorphs Completely lack Empathy. You do not understand that they fear you, nor feel pain.
Serve your species and move on.

[Sheodir]

The only case in all of Aliens expanded universe where I can think of Xenos keeping anything like "pets" was in Aliens: Labyrinth, and even then it was because the Hive was weak and had no Queen and was attempting to use royal jelly-conusming humans to impregnate each other the natural way and have that birth a pseudo-xenomorph, what didn't even work. That was a ridiculously extreme case and even then it was less peaceful coexistence and more using them to expand the Hive in a new way.

Friendly xeno RP is fail RP, plain and simple

[Joe4444]

Just because you repeat something over and over again it does not make your statement right. You have not played alien a lot. You don't know how it feels to starve for RP. The Xeno RP. When I arguing with you i am not actually talking to you, there is no point, I am talking to those who share my opinion, the intellegent people will get my point. The people who are do not reveal themself to avoid getting in trouble. I got little to lose on this server. What i've got from this server can not be taken away now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eAGxiA4p2Q

Joper, i'm not the only one giving you the same statement, its plenty of people, I've played xeno in the past, I quit playing xeno because of how low RP that shit was, it was toxic back then. Talking to people who only share your opinion will get you nowhere in life, lots of people will think differently from you and you just gotta accept that, try to argue your point, or just change the subject.

also John cena is a pretty dead meme at this point, so its really annoying and cringey to see it pop up everywhere you talk.

[misterjoper]

If 90% of people start stating 1+1=3 it won't make the statement right. Just because lot's people think that way it does not mean they are right. So far talking to those who don't share my opinion did not get me anywhere here as well.

[Joe4444]

If 90% of people start stating 1+1=3 it won't make the statement right. Just because lot's people think that way it does not mean they are right. So far talking to those who don't share my opinion did not get me anywhere here as well.

its not just 90% of people though, its more 99% with even staff agreeing with us. as for talking with people who don't share you opinion, that's more of a broader thing, not just this server.

gonna stop replying now, as we're getting off topic from the OP, which is about xeno and survivor RP.

[TehSpoderman]

Xenos can RP with survivors, however becoming buddy buddy with them is extremely low RP shit, no matter how much Joper tries to rule lawyer it.

[JennerH]

Xenos can RP with survivors, however becoming buddy buddy with them is extremely low RP shit, no matter how much Joper tries to rule lawyer it.

Yeah, what I mean is a purely survival thing, I never become friends with the xenos, I just comply in the hopes they don't eat my face. When marines rushed the cave and killed the queen as she was trying to use me as a shield or something, they used incendiary grenades and burnt me to a crisp. When they revived me I thanked them, because I hadn't become friends with them, they killed my friends and family. It makes for some interesting RP and helps prolong unrobust survivors. It also doesn't affect any marines, AND gives me an IC reason to quote the entire xeno life cycle to the CL if I get saved

[Rataca100]

Rp in the sense of taking your time and doing "me's" is fine, but its breech of server rules for anything less than the objective as stated. Xeno RP is to survive and reproduce and serve the queen. As its a server which doesnt mandate you RP combat and the combat is the key and most fun aspect of it, its your problem if you try and "me" things and get shot by your ENEMY. Vice versa for marines. (why a marine would do it, who knows)

People forget this game is based around combat,t eh fun comes from fighting and RP around doing your jobs in said combat.

Also, there is no cult of the Xeno and semantics will get you no where especially after a admin ruling taking into consideration the semantics argument anyway.

[davidofmk771]

What I don't understand is this instance that either RP is 100% friendly or it is not RP at all. Xenos RP by utilizing maneuvers and tactics, squad marines do the same. The point is to show that you are not just a ruthlessly hostile animals, but a being that can utilize tools to a devastating extent too. Trying to humazine the xenos is a failure of RP and conflicts directly with what the Server Rules define as "medium-rp"

A Note About Roleplay:
Colonial Marines is a medium roleplay server with higher/more roleplay being greatly encouraged. "Medium" is loosely defined as being strict but not too strict.

In other words, you should consider your character to be a separate entity from you as a player. Your character's actions and feelings in-game should be based solely on your character's experiences and not your own as the player.

However, specifics such as Flavor Text, while also very encouraged, are not required. It is also encouraged (but not required as it is on other servers) to use roleplay dialogue before making split decisions such as using lethal force against another character. Finally, you are expected to follow the Roleplay Guidelines, as well as all the rules specific to your chosen job.

You the player are not a xeno, and players have no authority in deciding how they think. Same goes for anyone who isn't and never was a service member in any armed forces.
You don't get to decide what is 'acceptably' insane for a marine or civilian contractor serving on the front-lines of an insurgency-based conflict, just as you don't get to decide what is 'acceptably' friendly xeno behavior. Xenos can bargain, yes, but PLEASE don't abuse the Queen's telepathy out of the game.

[Crab_Spider]

Because they gonna kill him if he refuses to do so. Sane person does not lose his cool and think before he acts. Not a fucking single survivor Ii spared atacked my Larva because I only spared sane surivors.
I had made a whole Xeno Survivor frendship guide, and there were several Reasons why it was beneficial to have a survivor in your hive alive, I am not gonna list them here but in general Survivor can do what usual aliens can't. Though I decided to delete it since that guide would have got others.

Oh yes, work with creatures you do not understand, have a postitive relationship with, have constant intent to kill and reproduce by killing other individuals of your species. Joper. Thats an idiotic statement. I get you want that kind of RP, but your excuses for it being justified are just idiotic. Humans would NOT just allow a xenomorph to get close to them, civilians especially.