Forcefully taking infected Marines and locking them in Research

[Crab_Spider]

You know. When I think of research, I think of people that know the mechanics of SS13 and how to utilize them on a mass scale for combat. When I see Research in exectuion on CM, I see medical researchers, taking infected marines and locking them in cells that have glass walls. The Marine is helpless in this situation, the one moment he had, to continue playing through the round, and it's taken from him, by another of his own. Why? Because that person felt that "studying" the Marine and the resulting chestburster, was a good show and made for interesting roleplay. Taken out of the round. Because a person just wants to WATCH the thing that caused him to be taken out of it, directly. The player screams on comms, and no one can reach him. Not even law enforcement because "we can't have MPs interfering with research when they're studying xenos".

It's just grief. Plain and simple. Griefing thinly veiled behind the excuse of "roleplay" for the entertainment of the person carrying it out.

[Blade2000Br]

That's why I belive MPs should access to research wing. This is a high level of murder right there.

We gotta execute then, staff. Let us do it.

[TheMusician321]

Isn't this against the rules if the marine doesn't agree to it?

[Stripetail]

I literally cryo'd as an MP earlier tonight because of some really shady bullshit that happened in Research.

Researchers abducting marines without consent is an absolute problem, I'd almost call it self antag. The moment you take someone out of the round that was your ally without their consent you've fucked up royally.

IMHO, researchers should have the ability to construct 'incubating chambers' (Duplicates of the sprites we see in lamda and the fallen ship on ice. Upon removing an embryo from a patient's chest they would have x amount of time to put it into an incubator before it is perma dead. This would end researchers needing a live sacrifice for their xeno study rp, and curb this blatant murder shit.

It is not hard to write up a consent form, it's even easier to rube a marine into doing deadly testing by just asking them (amazingly) or bribing them. You don't need to go through the dickish trouble of dosing a marine with sophoric, taking their headset, and dragging them to research. That, is disgusting bullshit. (Unless it is oocly permitted by the receiving player)

Edited: Just found out the players involved in the round I cryo'd on were punished for this behavior. Thank fucking god.

[lcass123]

The reason this happens is because nobody in their right mind would consent to this and that researchers currently have nothing to do. I'm not trying to justify it these are just the obvious reasons for it happening.

[solidfury7]

Quarantining marines without Command authorisation isn't allowed unless in very rare circumstances (such as being authprised by admins oocly)

[Robotic Potato]

I was told by an admin it's perfectly fine, (if they consent in LOOC), aside from the fact it is kinda manslaughter/murder.

[Sir Lordington]

Get OOC permission. Otherwise it's straight up griefing.

Of course, you're still liable to IC consequences perma/execution for murder, most likely.

[Challenger]

Generally speaking there isn't any real ooc entitlement or expectation to medical treatment once you've been injured/facehugged in combat, so I don't at all see the issue with bursting on the Almayer. You can just as easily get unrevivably overdosed on something, taken into surgery without getting fixed, ignored, kicked out, or arrested, etc. so if you're wounded you should assume that you'll die and be grateful for anything above that happening.

Researchers "kidnapping" people using chloral is only an issue because of the drugging involved, not because of the "manslaughter" or someone dying. Researchers don't necessarily know at all that the larva escapes by deadly chestbursting.

[Crab_Spider]

Generally speaking there isn't any real ooc entitlement or expectation to medical treatment once you've been injured/facehugged in combat, so I don't at all see the issue with bursting on the Almayer. You can just as easily get unrevivably overdosed on something, taken into surgery without getting fixed, ignored, kicked out, or arrested, etc. so if you're wounded you should assume that you'll die and be grateful for anything above that happening.

Researchers "kidnapping" people using chloral is only an issue because of the drugging involved, not because of the "manslaughter" or someone dying. Researchers don't necessarily know at all that the larva escapes by deadly chestbursting.

So we should allow Research to fuck people over because there are circumstances where you're going to be permanently killed off through sheer incompetence, minus the fact that the courses of action were all intended and cannot, by definition, be classified as incompetent? That's what I'm getting from this.

[Challenger]

It's more that research isn't really making your situation worse. You were gonna burst anyway. You COULD be saved if a series of proper steps are followed, but you have no entitlement or expecation to that happening.

[Blade2000Br]

It's more that research isn't really making your situation worse. You were gonna burst anyway. You COULD be saved if a series of proper steps are followed, but you have no entitlement or expecation to that happening.

still, you can't simply get the guy that was suppsoed to have surgery to the RESEARCH wing, let the guy there to burst so you can RP without having any consent from said player. This is literal griefing and I would report any researcher that does that.

if it was OOC consent, you bet your ass I would apply murder charges on that researcher(s) and get then executed. Because that's other level of bullshit to me.

[Omicega]

Get OOC permission. Otherwise it's straight up griefing.

Of course, you're still liable to IC consequences perma/execution for murder, most likely.

Pretty much the long and short of it. People just need to draw that clear distinction between the player's OOC consent and the character's IC unwillingness. If you shove someone infected in a containment cell without making sure that the player behind the screen is OK with being taken out of the round like that, then you're proceeding at your own risk. If they ahelp it, you will likely wind up in trouble.

[Steelpoint]

>order a Marine into a suicide mission. All good.

>order a Marine into a containment cell. Git banned.

If the Commander authorizes it on a small scale (as in one player) then I think it'd be fine.

Of course that's just my opinion.

[Mook476]

If the marine does not consent to it than it's technically grief, and will be handled by staff.

[Jerkface00]

It's just grief. Plain and simple. Griefing thinly veiled behind the excuse of "roleplay" for the entertainment of the person carrying it out.

This is more or less how we treat this. Don't do this without the consent of the person who would die (or as part of an admin-hosted event), or you're self-antagging and may find yourself with a jobban/ban.

[jalen earl]

If they volunteer sure RP the hell out of it i say.

Side note if crew get wind of research "breeding" aliens is there grounds for a mutiny and or purging of the specimens?

[Feweh]

Have OOC consent.

Or if it's Roleplayed well via Command Staff/Liaison we may make an exception.

Just don't take an infected person and shove them in.