So, I have a few questions about human vs. human encounters, specifically, what is power/metagaming when fighting other humans (CLF or UPP). Mostly for things marines/UPP do, as CLF are terrorists and probably don't give a heck about any morals. Feel free to ask more as well.
First, The Geneva convention. Is it in this universe? Does it apply to anything either side uses? Does either side give a shit? I expect the CLF to not give a damn due to being terrorists, but in these encounters I see all three sides committing various war crimes and it's not only going unpunished, but being encouraged by command.
Second, equipment. I know it's against the rules to steal IDs, and to steal armor to try to sneak by the other side, but what about weapons and such? Are there IC/OOC ramifications for stealing the weapons of the opposite side?
Third, dealing with corpses. I often see in HvH engagements that, after a battle or even during it, one side will behead corpses specifically so that they cannot be revived. Again, after the battle, I can see CLF doing this, but wasting time during a fight to behead, and marines/UPP beheading people, seems a bit off.
Fourth, Synths. They're not meant to be combat synths, but a few times before enemy humans have captured an area (like medbay) that they synth was in; should the synth cooperate for the sake of the wounded and such, or try to disobey anything the enemy commands?
Fifth, reviving. Should one side revive corpses of the other side specifically to capture them? I see it a lot, they kill someone then revive them, as it's easier to cuff a corpse then revive. Is this powergaming to do, killing people you intend to capture because you know you can just revive them? Surprisingly, the only people I ever see try to force others to surrender are CLF; marines and UPP will always just shoot first.
Human Vs. Human Encounter Questions
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Re: Human Vs. Human Encounter Questions
For the second one
There is atleast an IC consequence, marine law, as upp and clf guns are contraband weapons, technically speaking, and would be confiscated and the marine possibly brigged
There is atleast an IC consequence, marine law, as upp and clf guns are contraband weapons, technically speaking, and would be confiscated and the marine possibly brigged
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Re: Human Vs. Human Encounter Questions
I've seen punishments for random warcriming against CLF by the marines, but I think it's acceptable if it's played out well. The main thing i've seen punished is when marines rush already captured CLF that were already dismarmed and secured and just blasted them despite orders not to (the 'refusing to follow orders' thing probably being the biggest issue there).
As for the guns, jones is right, it's an IC situation. I'm not sure if it falls under the 'if your teammate wears the opposite uniform, you can shoot them' thing.
Beheading is also just a sort of disrespect thing, but mitilation falls under warcrime so don't do it randomly with no RP/justification. I'd say the drug addicted CLF has a lot more leeway in that regard.
The synth thing just seems like something thats up to the synth player as long as orders are benificial to huamns without hurting the USCM or W-Y.
As for the guns, jones is right, it's an IC situation. I'm not sure if it falls under the 'if your teammate wears the opposite uniform, you can shoot them' thing.
Beheading is also just a sort of disrespect thing, but mitilation falls under warcrime so don't do it randomly with no RP/justification. I'd say the drug addicted CLF has a lot more leeway in that regard.
The synth thing just seems like something thats up to the synth player as long as orders are benificial to huamns without hurting the USCM or W-Y.
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Re: Human Vs. Human Encounter Questions
1) In space no one can hear you suing for war crimes.
2) Marines should never be taking the ID's of the other side. Unless specified otherwise during the event, armor and uniform is fine. Weapons are always fine. As for the antagonists (upp/clf/whoever), whether they can take ID's is up to whoever's running the event. Generally it's bad for game-play so it's often that they're told not to.
3) IC problems.
4) Tough call; the synth can do what it feels like it needs to in order to preserve it's continued existence up to the point it has to break marine law or injure USCM personnel directly (edit; appearently this wasn't clear. This is not saying you can break marine law, or harm USCM personnel. this is literally saying "you can help the CLF holding you at gun point if what they're telling you to do wouldn't break marine law, or cause you to attack or otherwise directly harm USCM personnel"). I don't think providing medical aid to enemies of the USCM would rise to that level of directness.
5) This is fine.
My word on this isn't the final authority, but that should keep you from getting in any trouble and I hope help you to better understand where the lines are.
2) Marines should never be taking the ID's of the other side. Unless specified otherwise during the event, armor and uniform is fine. Weapons are always fine. As for the antagonists (upp/clf/whoever), whether they can take ID's is up to whoever's running the event. Generally it's bad for game-play so it's often that they're told not to.
3) IC problems.
4) Tough call; the synth can do what it feels like it needs to in order to preserve it's continued existence up to the point it has to break marine law or injure USCM personnel directly (edit; appearently this wasn't clear. This is not saying you can break marine law, or harm USCM personnel. this is literally saying "you can help the CLF holding you at gun point if what they're telling you to do wouldn't break marine law, or cause you to attack or otherwise directly harm USCM personnel"). I don't think providing medical aid to enemies of the USCM would rise to that level of directness.
5) This is fine.
My word on this isn't the final authority, but that should keep you from getting in any trouble and I hope help you to better understand where the lines are.