taketheshot56 is banning over the letter of the law instead of the spirit

[Iforgotmyaccountlogin]

Your Byond Key: PizzaMe

Your Character Name: I don't remember. It was random.

Their Byond key: taketheshot56

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): Friday March 16, 2018. 5 pm.

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken:
Preserve the RP and enjoyment of the server
- If a player breaks a rule, but increases the enjoyment of the server in general, (through roleplay or other such things) it can be overlooked. If no one admin helps (ahelp) a complaint, or seems to be complaining or taking issue with it, it may be best to let it go.
- We’re a server focused on the enjoyment of the players. As long as the players are having a blast and not every single rule is being broken, it’s okay to let some things slide here and there.
- Do not try to heavily influence the game unless it is for very good reasoning such as for an event, a player purposefully holding up the game, dishing out punishment for rule breaking (Examples: a commander killed a marine unjustly, a squad of marines are killing other marines for no reason, a queen is slashing every host known to man, aliens have stacked too many huggers) or other such things.
Description of the incident:
Everything happened quickly and i'm going from memory so I admit this might not be a perfect telling of what happened, but this how I remember everything going down.

The game mode was infected.

Myself and a fellow delta marine were following the SL, things happened and we got lost but found Lisa, so we decided to bring her back to LZ1 and regroup.
An alpha marine saw up and started talking crazy about how hes going to kill lisa.
We had words, it escalated.
He tried to grab Lisa and we took her back.
We went back and forth for a bit.
He threatens to kill us as well as lisa if we keep getting in his way.
I ahelped and asked what drug KO's people if you OD them with it.
I remembered it was inaprov, and tried to force feed him two pills 60cc total, to knock him out.
He pulled out his pulse rifle and opened fire.
The other marine ran with lisa. I'm not sure if he returned fire because he was off screen and I had a gas mask on, making it hard to see.
He chased the other marine and kept shooting.
I pulled out my 9mm pistol (all i had) and shot him 1-2 times in the chest. I did not realize I had fire rounds loaded, I don't even know where I got them from.
My thinking was, im fucked because I don't want to kill him, but he's got a pulse rifle, and iv only got a useless pistol, maybe if I shoot him enough in the chest, I can paincrit him to stop him, or at least get him away from my squad mate.
This all happened over 5 seconds at the most and I could not see anything after because the trial admin KO'd me, but before that I could see his health on the medi-hud and he was at 50% after my shots.
He immediately fell over (admin-sleep) and I shot him again to make sure he was not going to get up, I was unaware the admin had KO'd him because on my screen he's still got 50% yellow HP.
Immediately I get knocked out and the trial admin demands to know why I was shooting him. (I don't have the screencaps because it scrolled to far)


I tried to explain above.
The trial admin explains to me that the other marine chasing us and shooting us with a pulse rifle was just accidental friendly fire.
I explain above again and tell him it was clearly not an accident, it was all IC and everything was fine.
I tried to explained that I tried the non-lethal route of putting him to sleep with chems. Since that did not work I was going to try to paincrit him, heal him, and bring him back to the ship for the MP's to deal with.
Maybe I did not get everything across because he kept accusing me of trying to teamkill, insisting that a 9mm pistol bullet to the chest of a marine in full armor is lethal, and threatening to job ban me.
He then switched from saying I was trying to TK to you intentionally OD'd someone and that's why i'm banning you.
(Screencap starts here i think)
Again I tried to explain it was One, in character, Two, non-lethal, and Three, in self deference but he did not care.
He kept trying to insist that I was trying to grief the guy and when I A-helped to ask to speak to a non-trial admin he felt the need to inform me that he could see my a-helps.
I explained to him again that an inaprov OD is non-lethal, it only KO's the person and any minor damage can be fixed.
He went quiet for a good minute and came back with a link to a guide for the chemist, a roll iv never played.
According to that guide, it says inaprov can cause heart damage.
The medic guide says nothing about this and I linked him to the medics guide, and quoted the exact spot in the medics guide that says "Stabilizes critical patients, slowing down their oxygen damage buildup. Also acts like a weak painkiller. Overdose causes the target to instantly fall asleep." and that an overdose is exactly 60 cc.
He responded to me with "that's out of date refer to the chemists guide".

Then banned me, for "Rreturned fire against FF to subdue a marine, claimed shooting him with incendiary rounds 'wasent lethal force' when spoken to further he admitted trying to purposely OD the same marine with inprov."

From the very start of our conversation it felt like taketheshot56 had already made up his mind that I was in the wrong before he even spoke to me.
Instead of asking what happened, he leveled accusations at me and put me on the defensive before I had a chance to explain what happened.
I lost my composure by the end of it because I got tried of explaining over and over that I was not trying to ruin anyone's fun and everything i'm doing is taken from the wiki.
He constantly re-framed my actions from self defense to attacker and was only looking my actions in a vacuum.

Intentionally ODing someone on quickclot to kill them, is yes bad and against the rules.

ODing someone on Inaprovaline to put them to sleep, when they have openly expressed hostility against you, and are acting in an irrational and hostile manner, I don't think a single person on here would say that should be a bannable offence.

Iv witnessed doctors use the same technique to put people to sleep for surgery during the last stand on the ship a long time ago, that's why I wanted to try it. I have been waiting for a chance to try that for a long time.
Maybe I am wrong, if so I apologize but I'v played on this sever back when there was only 1 map, and a drop pod, and iv never seen anyone apply the rules this strictly and literally.

The Alpha marine wanted to break from the norm and role play like a paranoid germaphobe and we wen't along with it.
He escalated, we escalated.
I don't think he would have actually killed us, and for that same reason I was trying everything I could think of to resolve the situation without hurting him.
Had I been successful in KOing him, I would have checked him for wounds, healed him, and dragged him back to the ship.
I aimed for the chest because it would hurt, but his armor would block and serious injury.
We were both more or less fine with the situation until taketheshot56 interrupted everything.

If he actually thought one of us was seriously griefing he should have let it happen, then slept the griefer, healed the griefed, and let the game continue on as iv seen happen in the past.
Had taketheshot56 never interfered the situation the alpha marine would be in marine prison, or maybe he would have given up chasing us and ran away, or maybe he would have just shot lisa and ran away, or a lot of things could have happened but we will never know now.

If I actually did kill the alpha marine, I apologize but it was out of ignorance and not malice. I have only played medic once or twice in the past and I had the wiki up right next to me.
The whole thing happened in under a minute and I had a hard time seeing what was going on through the gas mask.


Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
screencaps:
https://imgur.com/a/S7kwR
The wiki I was using:
wiki/Squad_Medic
Which tells you:
Remember to check out the Guide to Medicine for a more in-depth look on how the medicine you're administering actually works, and in case you're stumped by a casualty.
and links to:
wiki/Guide_to_Medicine
How you would punish the accused:
edit:
Having talked with the bravo marine, I understand now that I misunderstood the initial situation.
I don't think taketheshot56 should lose his trial admin status but my case should be looked at and his trial status should be extended if my accusations are true.
I can't blame him 100% for his actions because the whole thing was a misunderstanding that got out of control, and I'v played this game long enough to know what admins have to deal with regularly.
I could see how our misunderstanding that escalated could be persevered as just another graytide.

[Rikman]

Hi, this is the guy who shot you.

I tried to shoot at lisa, but instead shot your pal carrying him.
That was COMPLETELY accidental, but before I could say that it was just accidental ff, you shoot me with incendiary rounds, and I shot you back. Shortly after, I tried to get a medic to defib you and heal you, but he just ignored me. I was in paincrit, but I got up and was healed by a medic. I knew you were trying to OD me, and I kept on moving so you did not keep feeding me OD pills.
I was a bravo marine, by the way.
I think this is all a BIG misunderstanding, and I personally think this could have been resolved otherwise.
I never wanted to kill lisa, just threatening to kill her if you did not give her to me.

Edit: adding on, I did not immediately open fire when you fed me the pills, I waited a little longer before trying to shoot lisa, because ic, I did not want anyone to have lisa other than me.

[Iforgotmyaccountlogin]

Hi, this is the guy who shot you. I tried to shoot at lisa, but instead shot your pal carrying him.
That was COMPLETELY accidental, but before I could say that it was just accidental ff, you shoot me with incendiary rounds, and I shot you back. Shortly after, I tried to get a medic to defib you and heal you, but he just ignored me. I was in paincrit, but I got up and was healed by a medic. I knew you were trying to OD me, and I kept on moving so you did not keep feeding me OD pills.
I was a bravo marine, by the way.
I think this is all a BIG misunderstanding, and I personally think this could have been resolved otherwise.

The whole thing was the stupid fun I play this game for.
We were cut off from our squad, lost, and suddenly you show up and want to kill the dog we rescued.
Moments like that are priceless.
Even if you shot us intentionally I wouldn't be upset because you role played it so well.

[Rikman]

The whole thing was the stupid fun I play this game for.
We were cut off from our squad, lost, and suddenly you show up and want to kill the dog we rescued.
Moments like that are priceless.
Even if you shot us intentionally I wouldn't be upset because you role played it so well.

I did NOT want to kill lisa, and I tried to take her back to my squad when they were in engineering. But, you just immediately went and assumed I wanted to kill the dog, and then you try to PURPOSEFULLY OD me. You could have just said to bring lisa back or something and I would be completely fine with that. I dont think taketheshot56 was at fault here.

[Iforgotmyaccountlogin]

Edit: adding on, I did not immediately open fire when you fed me the pills, I waited a little longer before trying to shoot lisa, because ic, I did not want anyone to have lisa other than me.

That's hilarious.
I thought you were trying to kill lisa because you thought she was infected.
The whole thing was a big misunderstanding.
I'l admit it's probably my fault since I was distracted with reading the map and trying to figure out our location.

[Rikman]

That's hilarious.
I thought you were trying to kill lisa because you thought she was infected.
The whole thing was a big misunderstanding.
I'l admit it's probably my fault since I was distracted with reading the map and trying to figure out our location.

Its ok man, just listen more carefully when IC roleplaying, to make sure you dont misunderstand something or someone.
This is my 100th post.

[Iforgotmyaccountlogin]

I did NOT want to kill lisa, and I tried to take her back to my squad when they were in engineering. But, you just immediately went and assumed I wanted to kill the dog, and then you try to PURPOSEFULLY OD me. You could have just said to bring lisa back or something and I would be completely fine with that. I dont think taketheshot56 was at fault here.

I was tabbed looking at the map and when I looked back I know I saw something like "Give me lisa or i'l shoot her" or something and assumed you mean give me her, so I can kill her, because it was infected, and they told us to wear gas masks and what not. So I thought "Oh fuck, my squadie is not going to give up lisa, maybe I can tranquilize this guy". I'v been waiting a LONG time for an opportunity to try to sleep someone using chems. I thought my partner explained what we were doing with lisa but I guess not. Sorry for shooting you.

[Rikman]

I was tabbed looking at the map and when I looked back I know I saw something like "Give me lisa or i'l shoot her" or something and assumed you mean give me her, so I can kill her, because it was infected, and they told us to wear gas masks and what not. So I thought "Oh fuck, my squadie is not going to give up lisa, maybe I can tranquilize this guy". I'v been waiting a LONG time for an opportunity to try to sleep someone using chems. I thought my partner explained what we were doing with lisa but I guess not. Sorry for shooting you.

As I said, Its ok!
I really do think that you should have gone off with some sort of warning.

[Anoonki]

Related logs. (Edited to include full logs that I could find, up until the player was slept)

[17:42:42]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : CORGI
[17:43:01]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : She's going to LZ1
[17:43:04]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : NO
[17:43:07]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : YES
[17:43:10]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : NO
[17:43:14]SAY: Constantine Richardson/PizzaMe : DROP THE CORGI!
[17:43:22]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : HELP ME
[17:43:28]ADMIN: HELP: PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson): What puts people to sleep if you OD them? - heard by 18 non-AFK admins.
[17:43:43]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : ILL KILL HER
[17:43:44]ADMIN: PM: Jagermann/(Stefano Griffoni)->PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson): they die if you OD them
[17:43:48]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : NO
[17:43:52]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : DROP IT
[17:43:57]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : NOW
[17:43:59]ADMIN: PM: PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson)->Jagermann/(Stefano Griffoni): No, one drug just puts them to sleep. Inprov i think.
[17:44:06]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : She deserves to live!
[17:44:10]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : LET HER GO
[17:44:19]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : Where do you plan on taking her?!
[17:44:26]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : TO A BETTR PLACE
[17:44:33]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : YOU DAN DELTARDS
[17:44:35]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) fed Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with pill Reagents: inaprovaline(30 units); (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)
[17:44:37]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : Almayer is best place!
[17:44:37]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : NO!
[17:44:38]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : WHY
[17:44:38]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) fed Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with pill Reagents: inaprovaline(30 units); (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)
[17:44:41]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : STOp
[17:44:44]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : NOW
[17:44:46]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : STOP
[17:45:04]ATTACK: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) shot Alice Hekmatyar (tobinerd) with a rifle bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:05]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : SHIt
[17:45:07]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : OI
[17:45:07]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : ]
[17:45:07]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the General Store (JMP)
[17:45:11]ATTACK: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) shot Constantine Richardson (pizzame) with a rifle bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:14]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : OW
[17:45:18]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:20]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:22]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : HELP
[17:45:24]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : HELP!!
[17:45:25]ADMIN: Taketheshot56/(Patton 'Hardtack' Moore) used Toggle Sleeping on PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson).
[17:45:33]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : DELTARD SHOT ME
[17:45:37]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : IM BURNING


I've got the logs for the full PM conversation between yourself and Taketheshot, if anyone wants those posted too.

[Rikman]

Related logs.

[17:43:14]SAY: Constantine Richardson/PizzaMe : DROP THE CORGI!
[17:43:28]ADMIN: HELP: PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson): What puts people to sleep if you OD them? - heard by 18 non-AFK admins.
[17:43:43]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : ILL KILL HER (This is the only threat log I found, and it looks a lot like they were talking about killing the dog lisa, not you or your friend. I can pull logs for the whole conversation, if you like.)
[17:43:44]ADMIN: PM: Jagermann/(Stefano Griffoni)->PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson): they die if you OD them
[17:43:59]ADMIN: PM: PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson)->Jagermann/(Stefano Griffoni): No, one drug just puts them to sleep. Inprov i think.
[17:44:35]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) fed Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with pill Reagents: inaprovaline(30 units); (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)
[17:44:38]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) fed Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with pill Reagents: inaprovaline(30 units); (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)
[17:45:04]ATTACK: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) shot Alice Hekmatyar (tobinerd) with a rifle bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:07]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the General Store (JMP)
[17:45:11]ATTACK: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) shot Constantine Richardson (pizzame) with a rifle bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:18]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:20]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:25]ADMIN: Taketheshot56/(Patton 'Hardtack' Moore) used Toggle Sleeping on PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson).

So those're the logs I've found related directly to the actual incident.

I've got the logs for the full conversation between yourself and Taketheshot, if anyone wants those posted too.

I would like to see the conversation(the ingame ones)

[Iforgotmyaccountlogin]

Related logs.

[17:43:14]SAY: Constantine Richardson/PizzaMe : DROP THE CORGI!
[17:43:28]ADMIN: HELP: PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson): What puts people to sleep if you OD them? - heard by 18 non-AFK admins.
[17:43:43]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : ILL KILL HER (This is the only threat log I found, and it looks a lot like they were talking about killing the dog lisa, not you or your friend. I can pull logs for the whole conversation, if you like.)
[17:43:44]ADMIN: PM: Jagermann/(Stefano Griffoni)->PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson): they die if you OD them
[17:43:59]ADMIN: PM: PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson)->Jagermann/(Stefano Griffoni): No, one drug just puts them to sleep. Inprov i think.
[17:44:35]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) fed Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with pill Reagents: inaprovaline(30 units); (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)
[17:44:38]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) fed Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with pill Reagents: inaprovaline(30 units); (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)
[17:45:04]ATTACK: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) shot Alice Hekmatyar (tobinerd) with a rifle bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:07]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the General Store (JMP)
[17:45:11]ATTACK: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) shot Constantine Richardson (pizzame) with a rifle bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:18]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:20]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:25]ADMIN: Taketheshot56/(Patton 'Hardtack' Moore) used Toggle Sleeping on PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson).

So those're the logs I've found related directly to the actual incident.

I've got the logs for the full conversation between yourself and Taketheshot, if anyone wants those posted too.

I believe him about wanting lisa for himself.
The whole thing happened quick, I was distracted and I took I'l kill her as a threat, tried to drug him, failed, then shit hit the fan.
If that's right though, then I did feed him 60 units of inaprovaline. That should have put him to sleep.

[Anoonki]

Edited my post above to reflect the logs properly.

[taketheshot56]

I believe the actions Ive taken were correct, I am sure Emeraldblood the admin you spoke with will clear things up about any misgivings you may have.

[Iforgotmyaccountlogin]

Related logs. (Edited to include full logs that I could find, up until the player was slept)

[17:42:42]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : CORGI
[17:43:01]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : She's going to LZ1
[17:43:04]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : NO
[17:43:07]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : YES
[17:43:10]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : NO
[17:43:14]SAY: Constantine Richardson/PizzaMe : DROP THE CORGI!
[17:43:22]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : HELP ME
[17:43:28]ADMIN: HELP: PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson): What puts people to sleep if you OD them? - heard by 18 non-AFK admins.
[17:43:43]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : ILL KILL HER
[17:43:44]ADMIN: PM: Jagermann/(Stefano Griffoni)->PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson): they die if you OD them
[17:43:48]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : NO
[17:43:52]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : DROP IT
[17:43:57]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : NOW
[17:43:59]ADMIN: PM: PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson)->Jagermann/(Stefano Griffoni): No, one drug just puts them to sleep. Inprov i think.
[17:44:06]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : She deserves to live!
[17:44:10]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : LET HER GO
[17:44:19]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : Where do you plan on taking her?!
[17:44:26]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : TO A BETTR PLACE
[17:44:33]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : YOU DAN DELTARDS
[17:44:35]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) fed Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with pill Reagents: inaprovaline(30 units); (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)
[17:44:37]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : Almayer is best place!
[17:44:37]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : NO!
[17:44:38]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : WHY
[17:44:38]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) fed Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with pill Reagents: inaprovaline(30 units); (INTENT: HELP) (JMP)
[17:44:41]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : STOp
[17:44:44]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : NOW
[17:44:46]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : STOP
[17:45:04]ATTACK: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) shot Alice Hekmatyar (tobinerd) with a rifle bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:05]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : SHIt
[17:45:07]SAY: Alice Hekmatyar/TobiNerd : OI
[17:45:07]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : ]
[17:45:07]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the General Store (JMP)
[17:45:11]ATTACK: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) shot Constantine Richardson (pizzame) with a rifle bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:14]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : OW
[17:45:18]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:20]ATTACK: Constantine Richardson (pizzame) shot Manley 'The Man' Dawkins (drdoctor1) with an incendiary pistol bullet in the Colony Grounds (JMP)
[17:45:22]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : HELP
[17:45:24]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : HELP!!
[17:45:25]ADMIN: Taketheshot56/(Patton 'Hardtack' Moore) used Toggle Sleeping on PizzaMe/(Constantine Richardson).
[17:45:33]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : DELTARD SHOT ME
[17:45:37]SAY: Manley 'The Man' Dawkins/Dr. Doctor1 : IM BURNING


I've got the logs for the full PM conversation between yourself and Taketheshot, if anyone wants those posted too.

Thanks for posting this. Manley shot first, I shot back (did not realize I had incendiary rounds), He shot back, I shot back, he started rolling on the ground to put the fire out, I stopped shooting and would have gone over to help him when he started shouting for help but Taketheshot56 put me to sleep 5 seconds after I shot him, and accused me of shooting him while he was down, which I diden't even think happened but I went along with it because it happened so quick and I might have accidentally. I could see he was in no danger of dying on my medic hud, and had Taketheshot56 not done anything, both of us would have kept on playing.
Instead our RP was stopped and I was banned.

[Anoonki]

Thanks for posting this. Manley shot first, I shot back (did not realize I had incendiary rounds),

I wouldn't really hold that as a defense.

He shot, then stopped and started speaking, *then* you shot him a few seconds later.

Not to mention, he came and started yelling about your dog, and your first response was to ahelp "how can I KO this guy", and your "RP" included yelling to drop the dog and... nothing else? Seems kinda LowRP to me, you didn't really talk to the guy or anything.

Just some observations for the formal investigator.

[Rikman]

Thanks for posting this. Manley shot first, I shot back (did not realize I had incendiary rounds), He shot back, I shot back, he started rolling on the ground to put the fire out, I stopped shooting and would have gone over to help him when he started shouting for help but Taketheshot56 put me to sleep 5 seconds after I shot him, and accused me of shooting him while he was down, which I diden't even think happened but I went along with it because it happened so quick and I might have accidentally. I could see he was in no danger of dying on my medic hud, and had Taketheshot56 not done anything, both of us would have kept on playing.
Instead our RP was stopped and I was banned.

Just reminding you, it was ACCIDENTAL FF and I was aiming for the dog. (I should get off caps lock anyways)

[Sir Lordington]

You shot him over a dog. No intermediate brawl or anything. You straight up had a shootout your comrade over a dog. How does that seem like it'ss properly escalated? If you thought he had griefed you you should've ahelped. Instead of that, you shot him back. From Rule 7: "If you are being griefed: Admin Message. Don't grief back. We'll ban you both and laugh behind your backs"

And if you didn't think it was griefing then you were friendly-fired and shot back. That's not allowed either.

[Emeraldblood]

So I did talk to you on the server for like a minute or so and I had like no clue what you were even trying to say at the time. Reading your appeal, I don't know if it's even gotten any more clear. At the very least, you shouldn't be trying to overdose people on drugs in an argument anyways. There are logical steps when dealing with some guy in roleplay and shooting them up because of a rogue shot isn't valid. Even if you didn't know it was an accident, you still tried to basically kill the guy with drugs, even if you didn't want him to directly die. At the very best, you could at least have gotten the note removed, but you could make this appeal twenty times and Taketheshot isn't gonna come close to getting removed. The ban isn't placed because staff just want to ban you for no reason, it's there to show you that, "Hey, you did something that wasn't very smart there. You need to make sure you remember not to do things like this in the future."

[NGGJamie]

Emerald effectively said it best. I don't see any issues with Taketheshot's handling of the situation, and it isn't helped that the entire thing has a LowRP air to it in the first place. It is correct that staff have the option to not interfere in some events to preserve or better the server's enjoyment, however just because they do interfere doesn't put them in the wrong. It is their discretion whether to take action, not yours. Just because he may have gotten in the way of your fun and nobody directly complained does not immediately make him wrong.

Even if you were being griefed, we always advise people to NOT shoot back. All that shooting back does, especially shooting multiple times is make you look like the griefer regardless of your actual intent. Let staff deal with the grief because staff can reverse basically anything in post that's done, and healing someone is 2 clicks away.

[Tigroon]

Character witness for TakeTheShot. Recently on a lowpop round as CMP, we had two troublemaker marines foffin' about at the start of the round. As the only MP at the time, I had to handle them both. After dropping off the first, and heading on out to grab the second one after he got into even more trouble, TakeTheShot notified me over Admin PMs that I needed to remain in the brig while there was a prisoner present as MP. Note, he did so politely, and professionally. I explained that I was doing the best with what I had, being the only MP, and brought the second marine in. Upon arriving, I found the first marine had beat themselves within an inch of their life.

Within a few minutes of putting the second marine in the brig, and getting the first patched up in the Brig Bay, all was well. I have a feeling TakeTheShot was attempting to let me know to try to keep things from spiraling out of control. And for that, I'm thankful.

He did a good job, and was understanding of the situation I had kinda been thrust in, with the population being as it was. Good Moderator, hope to see himself boost out of Trial Mod soon.

[Iforgotmyaccountlogin]

You shot him over a dog. No intermediate brawl or anything. You straight up had a shootout your comrade over a dog. How does that seem like it'ss properly escalated? If you thought he had griefed you you should've ahelped. Instead of that, you shot him back. From Rule 7: "If you are being griefed: Admin Message. Don't grief back. We'll ban you both and laugh behind your backs"

And if you didn't think it was griefing then you were friendly-fired and shot back. That's not allowed either.

How did it escalate? We pulled the corgi back and forth for a good minute, I shot after he shot. Nether of us shot to kill, nether of us thought the other was griefing. It was just a misunderstanding. Could I have roleplayed better? Sure. That's not what this is about.

[Iforgotmyaccountlogin]

At the very least, you shouldn't be trying to overdose people on drugs in an argument anyways. There are logical steps when dealing with some guy in roleplay and shooting them up because of a rogue shot isn't valid. Even if you didn't know it was an accident, you still tried to basically kill the guy with drugs, even if you didn't want him to directly die. At the very best, you could at least have gotten the note removed, but you could make this appeal twenty times and Taketheshot isn't gonna come close to getting removed.

I don't know how to make this any clearer.

The MEDIC GUIDE from the WIKI does NOT say that an Inaprovaline overdose causes ANY HARM.

It says it instantly puts the person to SLEEP.

I WAS NOT TRYING TO KILL THE GUY.

He did not die. He was not even close to dying at any point. Nobody was seriously harmed.

I took the actions I did BECAUSE THE WIKI YOU ALL SAY TO READ AND FOLLOW SAID IT WOULD PUT HIM TO SLEEP.

IC, I thought he was acting crazy, shouting in call caps about wanting to kill the dog, so I did what a medic would do with a crazy person, try to tranquilize them.
In hindsight, I was wrong, but this sort of thing happens all the time and you don't ban people for far worse, like accidental team kills, so why am I banned for... what am I even banned for? Not RPing well enough?
Following an incorrect wiki page you say to follow?

I'm also not asking that he be removed.
I believe this whole thing is a misunderstanding but I could be wrong and just in case that I am, I'm asking that this just be on the record.

[Emeraldblood]

It's called a drug overdose for a reason. It may knock him out but do you think that's a good thing? More-so in the middle of a warzone when you aren't even in the FoB or anywhere secure? You're missing the point that you should be overdosing people or trying to just knock them out because you don't like them.

[Iforgotmyaccountlogin]

It's called a drug overdose for a reason. It may knock him out but do you think that's a good thing? More-so in the middle of a warzone when you aren't even in the FoB or anywhere secure? You're missing the point that you should be overdosing people or trying to just knock them out because you don't like them.

Do I think that's a good thing?
Yes. Because again the wiki says you are REQUIRED to OVERDOSE someone on Antibiotics to cure a stage 3 infection.
Overdosing someone is not always bad. It's a game mechanic.


More-so in the middle of a warzone when you aren't even in the FoB or anywhere secure?

You keep framing this like I started the RP. The whole situation was inappropriate for a warzone.
In character, I thought he was acting crazy. We were lost and cut off. And a crazy marine is screaming about killing this dog we found. I also thought he was saying something about killing us.
After my partner explained to him what we were doing, and he STILL kept on talking about killing the dog I thought, "this guys nuts, we are alone, I only have a pistol, hes got a better gun that might have AP, were fucked".
The best option I thought up was, put him to sleep, drag him to the ship, and let the MP's deal with it.


I was not trying to KO him because I did not like him. I was trying to KO him, because he was acting insane, and could easily take both of us out.
I was wrong, but that's what I thought from glimpses of the chat at that moment in character.
It's easy to sit back and pick apart the situation when time is stopped and nothing else is going on but in the moment you can't always have a perfect grasp of what's happening and you make mistakes.

I could have RP'd better. I'm sorry. But nobody's perfect.

Edit:
I understand where taketheshot56 was coming from.
He thought i was ODing the marine with lethal drugs, clearly im a griefing, open and shut case. Ban.
My objection is that he would not listen to my attempts to try and explain the situation, even after I explained that what i was doing would not result in any harm, and linked him the wiki page, and quoted him the exact line from the page.

[taketheshot56]

Inprov is a lethal drug when fed to in significant quantities like you were doing, I listened to your claims spoke with you and you made it quite clear you did not want to speak with me, but a higher ranking staff member and i also informed you the wiki page you linked was wrong, and linked you the correct page, ODing someone on any drug causes harm.