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Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by Aceluke123 » 09 Apr 2018, 15:02

Your Byond Key: Aceluke123

Your Character Name: Alex Rossfield

Accused Byond Key(if known): TakeTheShot56

Character Name: Edward

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): April 8th, 2018 around 11:00 PM CST

What rule(s) were broken: Rule 1: Dont be a dick, Rule 7: No Griefing, possibly marine section Rule 6 Unless you are part of the Military Police, you should not be enforcing Marine Law.

Description of the incident: Set things up: Overall the situation started with me waking up as the CL after the last one went to cryo sleep. I had gone to the CIC to ask what was happening since IC I had just woken up and had no idea of the xenos on the planet. I was then informed about the xenomorph threat that was on the colony and obviously was confused what they were doing there. From there I went to my office and had 2 researchers approach me. Both wishing to head to the planet in order to research the Aliens, typical researcher stuff. Though the CMO wouldn't let them go planetside so I informed them there was nothing I could do as CL.

Skipping a bit of what happened with those two I was only awake for 20-30 minutes before I was called to CIC again where I came to find Edward had apparently gone planetside (The map was Big Red) and ransacked and taken photos of the research labs on the colony and was informing command that W-Y was doing illegal research and genetic experiments with his evidence being some photos of random things he had taken on the colony (Alien blood was one of them) as well as a built computer that read the typical research tech levels all at level 1. Quality roleplay though I had no idea if they were given permission at the time by the commander to do this at the time as I was involved and I don't know if anyone investigated this.

Now I had arrived at CIC, looked around to as what is going on. Found that there was random photos and a computer with tech levels (That Edward wouldn't even let me look at) that apparently framed W-Y for illegal activities. He even went on to advise command that I be arrested for what was going on down at the colony and seemingly was acting overly hostile and dickish in attempting to get me arrested and brigged for something my character obviously had nothing to do with. With him spending around the second hour of the round attempting to bring the CO/XO/CMP all to the bridge to convince them to have me permanently confined. At one point we were at CIC and he advised for my person to be searched as well as my office. This led to command giving the order to search me and Edward asking "let me search you" when we had several MPs online.

Though slightly unrelated I did find a dead larva (the kind pulled from a marine) in front of my office door randomly throughout the round which I set in my office to deal with later. Though this happened right before he advised command to search the CL's office and my person. Though I can't completely say it was Edward who did this it does seem highly likely if he wished to get the CL brigged he would attempt to falsify evidence and put a larva at my office door.

While later I had come to find out the situation was with the computer being at "tech level 1" and there being NO actual research that he could bring up to evidence through it seemed as though he was *trying* to get my character in trouble and brigged as a Synthetic when he should see a difference between the research on the colony and a W-Y representative on the ship being largely separate entities. His attitude was overly griefing and seemed to have a feeling of trying to get people in trouble as a synthetic. Something everyone should be able to trust on the ship similar to an MP to give accurate view and account of what is actually going on in a RP scenario. He as well attempted to search me as though he was an MP when there was a CMP and 3-4 MPs on the server at the time who could have done it. In one such instance there was an MP who I asked to search me but he asked for my bag from them anyway and proceeded to start to searching it himself to find evidence to get my character in trouble.

A major reason I also am against him keeping his whitelist status is due to in OOC chatter AFTER the round end he stated that he was attempting to get my character brigged in an offhand comment that is below this in the evidence category.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): I did not save any screenshot though I can go through the logs myself if need be to find evidence. Though that might be seen as problematic for a player report. So I will refrain from doing so. One thing I will add is the offhand comment that seems as though he was TRYING to get my character brigged in OOC chat.

"OOC: Taketheshot56: I almost got ace...almost"

How you would punish the accused: Removal of synthetic whitelist status as I feel using your whitelist status to attempt to grief shouldn't be tolerated.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by NethIafins » 09 Apr 2018, 16:32

If this was any other role, it might've got the synth into instant trouble... CL on the other hand...
This will boil down to the level of roleplay that happened between synth and others.

I'd say that influencing the round with "scouting info from the Planetside" is better left to survivors or faxes so that it never feels like a personal attack.

That ooc message tho
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by taketheshot56 » 09 Apr 2018, 16:46

Right first of all its not my intention to be a dick or grief At any time during my playing, My notes in the past months will reflect that. so lets begin.

The CO had directed me planet side to act as an observer for him. Poking around while the marines assaulted xenos in lambda I found research covered in weeds. I alerted the CO to this and said a flank might be possible. The CO agreed and had me show delta through research in order to flank. I followed up with delta as they breached research and they pushed inside, upon entering the labs we saw alien chitin among other things on the floor, I alerted the CO to this and went to recover the computer chip of lab notes seeing as this was an interesting area and synthetics are curious. Delta went off on their flank and I asked the CO if I should come up and show him the notes, perhaps they could shed some light on what happened at the colony.

The CO concurred and told me to report shipside and show the XO the logs, we opened them up and it showed the research logs. Myself and the XO were rather disturbed at them. The XO decided to contact high command and let them know of a potential connection between the logs, and the xeno infestation. High command, advised the XO that these were serious allegations and more proof in the form of photos would be needed. Command also asked the XO to gain consent to search the CL and his quarters. So the XO and I agreed that I could once again go planet side and take some pictures. I took some pictures of the lab and the dead bodies that littered it as well as that alien blood sample.

I wish to point out that I did not entice command to have you searched, High command had already advised the XO to gain consent and do it. Did I suggest perhaps you be detained while we sort this out, Yes I did. What we found was disturbing and the XO agreed with it but then decided not to. I did not however go on this spree to attempt to get you perma brigged. The CO gave me the objective to assist in locating any evidence. When I approached you, you shoved me around IRP and I backed off, MP elena then removed your possessions and myself and the CO looked through them. Perhaps it is due to a lack of clarity in synth guidelines at the moment as well as the changes being made without any update to synth guidelines but I dont feel searching you would be at the level of enforcing marine law. MP Elena and I then went to your quarters and I opened the door for her. She went through your closet and filing cabinets and I took some photos. I then went with her to disposals as the CO told us to, and pointed out someone had broken into disposals.

As for the larva, I did not place that there at all, It was right there when I opened the door for the MP. We had no idea about any larva there and once again high command had told the XO to gain consent and search your quarters and person. You make it seem like I alone was pushing to have you searched which is not at all true.

As for the comment in ooc, was I trying to get you arrested and tossed in the brig permanently? No. Was I trying to uncover evidence linking wey yu to the xenos? Yes I was seeing as high command directed the XO to do so.
The comment made was in the nature of friendly banter towards yourself, clearly I overestimated the level of friendliness between each other and it was taken the wrong way for that I apologize.

To sum things up I did not attempt to apprehend you or place you cuffs or brig you, the most I did that could be interpreted as trying to enforce marine law was trying to search you originally which in my honest opinion does not seem like enforcing marine law. Was I trying a little hard to uncover evidence, yes but only because high command had directed us to do so. As synthetic that round I was doing my best to have some good roleplay and complete high commands task of uncovering evidence after we found those logs. If it feels like a personal attack on you I wholeheartedly apologize. You make it seem like I was trying to ruin your round and have you tossed away in perma brig. And that was not my intention whatsoever.

Was I trying a bit to hard to gain evidence, perhaps I was and I can definitely see the position you are in making this report. However I was not at any time griefing or being a dick and if you felt so I am sorry. I hope the handlers of this report will see my stance on this and see where I was coming from that round with the direction from high command. But Id like to ask that regardless of the outcome synthetic programming and guidelines receives a large update to reflect the changes that have been made to the role.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by Nicboone » 09 Apr 2018, 17:24

I ran the event during this round.

command sent a message, as well as a fax mentioning they had supicion that the research groundside was WY and was illegal- which CAN be rp'd. High command [myself] responded they must provide proof to warrant further investigation, and additionally it was required for them to have the written and expressed consent of the CL, XO, and CO to warrant USCM sending investigators.

I recieved none of the above.

During this round, the CLF has been infiltrating the ship, and had targeted fax machines, as well as threatened the CL's life. Command had been sent messages urging them to protect the CL, and the CLF may be approching any minute.

Normally, I would say this could be RP'd well, and I think the CL is a tenuous role. I think in the context of the event, it was overly hostile to the CL with zero evidence, follow up for the event, and conflicted with the events that were allready happening. To me that reads as a synth going out of his way to be an issue, especially in a role of what we might usually consider subserviance.

Im not sure it warrants a dewhitelist, but I also dont think we should encourage synths conducting forceful searches- especially when they havent followed up with the event.

Ill leave this to the others to rule, but that is my take.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by Torrentia » 10 Apr 2018, 12:39

I talked to aceluke and thought I'd give my perspective on the in-game situation since I was playing CE and spent a big portion of the latter half of the round interacting with the CL and Edward.

It was a highpop round so there were the usual onboard chaos, and most of the bridge crew were occupied with running the OP + the CO was deployed coordinating groundside operations. The CL mentioned something about how maybe a MT hacked into his room to steal his fax machine but I ignored him at the time. Edward, the synthetic, who was seemingly absent on the ship so far in the round called for the CE *specifically* to bring metal to the CiC, urgently.

Well apparently he wanted me to assemble a console using some chip that he had salvaged from the colony. Alright, kind of weird, but whatever. I assumed it was related to an event or something (I forgot that Edward was no longer staff). As soon as the console was assembled Edward runs over it and *gasps, "XO, this is clear evidence that the CL is conducting illegal research on the colony take a look!". Now I thought this was rather contrived, since another CL had cryoed previously in the round. I said something ICly like "Now THAT's jumping to conclusions."

Anyway, not caring for whatever shenanigans Edward was up to, I went over to pick up some cigarette butts and only half-listened to the subsequent conversation between Edward, the XO, and the CMP. The CL showed up with his fax machine concerns too. I have a screenshot of this moment, actually, because I thought the cigarette butts were funny but you can see some of the conversation at the time. You can see Edward screaming for MPs to CiC like it's an emergency and people freaking out.

https://i.imgur.com/C4p02v2.png

I said something in LOOC chat chat around this time too along the lines of "robocop edward at it again" because well, he kind of has a reputation for this now.

No arrests were made at the this time, so the CL was free to go. Edward was on MP and command comms a lot after this demanding action be taken against the CL. I met up with the CL sometime later, and he asked me for help finding his fax machine. Lo and behold, it was gone, so I searched the upper deck until finally ahelping "wait...you can't actually move the fax machine right?". A staff member responded informing me that it was for an event. I assumed Edward's activities and the missing fax machine were related and RPed a bit with the CL discussing breaking into the WO's office to send his fax to W-Y for him. (We never actually got around to doing this).

Jump ahead a bit and Edward is still yelling about searching the CLs office and disposals. It was actually an MP that grabbed the larva out of upper disposals and threw it at the CL's door. I don't remember which one. Both of the CL's doors were hacked (panels open) and I asked my MTs if they did it, which they denied doing. I assumed it was Edward robocopping it up at this point, and told him ICly to "fix the stuff he breaks himself".

Once the CO returned to CiC the attempted CLF "assassination" happened, and it became clear that Edward's antics and the staff event were completely unrelated. The Xenos crashed into the Almayer soon after and me and the CL evacced in the same pod. We talked ICly about how he should report what happened to W-Y and he said that maybe Edward needed some reprogramming.

This is just my retelling of what went down that round, and ultimately my take on the situation is that Edward stepped out his bounds just to get the satisfaction of an arrest. He deployed, made a beeline to research, got his "evidence" (which is always present on the planet...it wasn't planted there for an event) and then spent a good portion of the round clogging up comms trying to get other command staff on board with his little roleplay. It damped the impact of the actual staff event, and Edward sort of has a reputation of being a "robocop" amongst the community already. I personally didn't appreciate his antics, and I doubt the CO and CL did either, since we were dealing with the OP and the CLF event.

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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by taketheshot56 » 10 Apr 2018, 14:52

So you say I said "XO, this is clear evidence that the CL is conducting illegal research on the colony take a look!" Completely false, I pointed out Weyland Yutani was conducting illegal research as evidenced from the logs recovered. I stated the CL should perhaps be detained while we sort this out and the XO agreed and called for his arrest. I called for MPs multiple times because during a busy high pop round no one always hears when the XO calls for MPs to CIC.

You say you spoke in LOOC about my "reputation" as a robocop and unfortunately I like other synths operated many times as MPs at Feweh's behest, before new announcements were made to remove that ability. But you are entitled to your opinion so I digress

You go on to say I was "Demanding action be taken against the CL" Once again this is false, You paint this picture I was seething and screaming in comms like a lunatic and that is not true. As for the fax machine, I have no idea what was up with that. After the XO was informed by high command to gather more evidence and told me this I myself assumed it was part of an event we were taking part in.

Further along you say I was yelling about searching the CLs office, that is false, High command had directed us to gain consent and search it and the CO ordered it. I dont believe I mentioned it on comms and if I did I certainly wasnt rambling about it like you picture it out to be. As for the doors, I accompanied MP mei and opened the CLs front door for her so she could go in and search. Who messed with the back door? I dont know. After MP Mei searched it I followed her out at this point the door broke which I ahelped about and me and wintercloud were trying to fix before the xenos hit.

In your conclusion you stated I stepped out of bounds to get the satisfaction of an arrest, I dont believe going through the CLs bags with the CO or letting the MPs into the CLs office is stepping out of my bounds. I did not detain nor arrest the CL or anyone at any time. You say I made a beeline to research and once again that is false, i spent a majority of the time near bar watching the marine progression as the CO wished before I suggested to the CO a flank might be prudent and he agreed. After entering research it was clear something was not right and I recovered the notes and the CO told me to go up and show him. You go on and say I "Spent a good portion of the round clogging up comms trying to get other command staff on board with his little roleplay." Personally I find this a little condescending. The XO and the CO had both seen the evidence and high command was interacting with them regarding the evidence, this "little roleplay" as you describe it was being interacted with by staff and command members alike.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by Sleepy Retard » 10 Apr 2018, 15:46

If this is the round where Daniel Kingfisher was the CO on big red, I was on Delta squad. We were on bar FOB duty and I don't recall seeing the synth there, like, ever. I do recall seeing the CO but the synth wasn't someone I saw. I was at the FOB until the CO got us to push, so I was there for a good fiftyish minutes.

I did, however, hear about the synth going to research. All I have to input.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by SwirlyKins » 10 Apr 2018, 17:39

I should probably give some input here because I was the MP that searched Alex Rossfield, and searched his office.

I was holding the brig and watching a prisoner when Edward made the call over police communications to come to CiC to search the CL. No reason was given as to why to search the CL but I was just told to. So I arrived in CiC after the prisoner was let go (which was a couple of minutes after the initial call) and I was immediately instructed by Edward to search the CL, no reason was given as to why. The CO was present and watching the whole ordeal so I figured that there was something to be suspicious about and that he had something. The CL proceeded to hand me their satchel which I looked through, and at this point I was very uninformed of what I was looking for so I asked. Edward responded that I was looking for some kind of documents or any kind of intel. CL had nothing like that in their satchel - just some random misc items and a folder. The folder had two papers in it which were just orders by the CL.

When that search came clear I was then instructed by Edward to search the CL's office, and to search disposals. The other MP went to search disposals while I went to search the office with Edward. Enter the office there's nothing there, so I asked Edward to open up the door to the CL's living quarters. We enter and first thing we see is a dead larva on the counter. I didn't think anything of it because we were deep into the game and those were already well known, regardless one of us took it and left the quarters with it because there was nothing there. I went back to CiC and at this point I think the CMP was present and I informed everyone the search came up clear and that I would return to patrolling cause the CMP could handle it.

That's pretty much all that happened that I can remember at the top of my head.

EDIT. Also when we were leaving the office Edward gave me a heads up that the CE and CL might of been in cahoots and to investigate her as well. I tried to let the CO know but he was busy and just shrugged it off.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by NGGJamie » 10 Apr 2018, 19:01

Just as a reminder, the Synthetic has absolutely no authority over anyone unless granted such by Command, mostly for Overwatch purposes. Synthetics can ask MPs for anything just like anyone else, and the MPs have no obligation to follow through for them as Synthetics aren’t Command.

MPs are free to act on, or ignore the Synth’s requests for arrest or investigation unless the arrest is ordered by a proper command member.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by TomTheMedic » 10 Apr 2018, 19:34

Hey, I'm the first CL from that round, the one who went into cyro. I think I should leave my input, as little as I might have.

I was roleplaying as a CL that knew about the research on the colony. I had two papers ready for the the acting Commander, XO What'shisname. One of them was a contract that put the liability for any damages on the colony onto the USCM, a "standard insurance form." The other was a contract that gave me first dibs on the ability to talk to any living survivors. Edward asks to have a look at my documents at the same time the XO did. I had gotten the XO to agree to sign, but then Edward looked at the papers and said he needed to speak with the XO in private. I gave them a moment, made the XO a drink, and then CO Daniel "Jack" Kingfisher arrived. The XO departed, but Edward stayed. He told me that he would recommend that none of my documents be signed, and he was unhappy with how much power my documents gave W-Y, understandably. The Survivor Contract in particular I use to make sure that any information on Xeno Research never makes it to Command, and OOC I think Edward knew that as soon as he read it. I was able to talk Kingfisher into signing the survivor contract, and left for my office. I realized that OOC I needed to leave, so I made copies of the documents I had gotten signed, and then I put them in a folder named "FOR NEXT CL." I then went to cyro, and hoped that the next CL would be able to use some of my good work.

I think Edward may have been under the suspicion that the next CL was in on the Xeno Research as well, since:
A. I was in on it, and I had made the Commander sign a document that, after learning about Xeno Research, seems like a very intentionally restriction of information to keep Command from knowing about something undisclosed.
B. I had set aside the documents for the next CL, so it would be reasonable to think that the contract was still being used by that CL.

Whether or not Edward overstepped his bounds as Synth, I can't say, since I wasn't there for the later half of the game. But I feel like it's plausible that with: the information I wanted to keep from Command, the steps I took to do so, and my own personal shadiness, that I may have created a reason for Edward to try and pursue the next CL after he discovered the Xeno Labs.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by VarisiaLote » 10 Apr 2018, 21:29

I was Charlie's LT for the Operation from the beginning. Flat out, Edward was too aggressive with the CL. Not to mention (from other mini-events as my own experience as WO) even if WY was conducting Illegal Research the CL is not culpable (you can basically subpoena them to cooperate which is what HC said TO do but NEVER got a response). Not to mention there was a confirmation of CLF on the ship by HC (OOC only, I never knew until Ryan Cook was shooting the CO that this was happening which ought to speak volumes about the priorities that were in the CIC at the time.) yet the CL was a bigger focus. Even after the lone CLF attack on the CO, only the MPs were focusing on them (the XO/CO were focusing on the Operation, Edward was still focusing on the CL (again after a search of the CL's office came up clean, a search that was to get three signatures to happen first).

This is all ignoring the fact BR has no concrete proof of illegal research (AKA Human experimentation) unlike Prison, so the fact that CIC was going bonkers on 'illegal' research without being an actual mini-event has to say a lot as, there isn't even an OOC reason to think that there is 'illegal' research ongoing.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by Imperator_Titan » 12 Apr 2018, 17:21

Relevant logs regarding the situation after 3 dedicated days to logdiving.

Pretty much what started off, a four way conversation between the CL, CO, XO and the synth in question himself.
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Deploying planetside :
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Synth then informing the CO of the illegal research and recommending detaining the CL
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Synth at the CL's office maint:
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After High Command messages the XO regarding the situation
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Synth informing XO of the recently-acquired photographs of the research lab
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Synth searching the CL
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Synth attempting to speak to the CL regarding the research afterwards.
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An ahelp that came in regarding the synth around the same time.
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Finally, the OOC messages that went back and forth between Ace and the synth in question.
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Overall, I believe that the synth in question went out of his way to harass both CLs a bit too much. A removal in my opinion isn't too far fetched, if not a warning.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by NethIafins » 12 Apr 2018, 18:16

Edward, it seems, took complete control over CO or XO by constantly talking to them and pushing his agenda. I understand that wishes to be the center of entire event is awesome, but this this basically hijacking of narrative. Instead of being commanded by CO, Edward was constantly switching the theme or pushing the "event" they had in mind

Too much emotion, too much apparent control over higher ups, too much meta information and hard-core deduction for situation that even though is obvious, will take too much time to become obvious.

It's as if you had 50 crazy mad lions in your zoo and they rushed out, and now you are arresting world wide zoo representative that just came here, potentially pulling your entire marine corps funding.

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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by Emeraldblood » 15 Apr 2018, 12:14

I'll be getting to this tonight, sorry for the delay. Any final information on the topic should be added today if it needs to be said.
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Re: Player Report: TakeTheShot56

Post by Emeraldblood » 16 Apr 2018, 01:33

Reading over the events, taketheshot56 didn't directly break any of the Synthetic rules. While his actions may have been seen as more aggressive, the whole role of Synthetic is to use their abilities to enrich the round with role play. While I can see how these actions can be seen as aggressive, there wasn't anything done that wasn't related to actions during the round. I feel like a lot of the confusion comes from the fact there was an alternate admin event going on while Edward and the other Command staff were pursuing the W-Y Xeno events on the ground. Given they did receive a fax saying to present any possible evidence against him, it's not unreasonable to assume he may be hiding something. I will say to taketheshot56, don't be overly aggressive in pushing towards a specific RP goal. While the previous CL may have been tied to the ground events, Aceluke123 was working with the CLF events so he wasn't prepared for the events in that case. Overall, I think this mostly just comes down to the two different events and maybe some misunderstandings creating some conflicting areas and motives. Resolved - The events for this case are left as IC.
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