the controversial topic of BE's

[yung bruh]

BE stands for battlefield execution, right? i'm perfectly fine with them i've gotten BE'd once or twice it doesn't make me salty or anything but i've seen BE's be twisted into utter shit where they aren't even "battlefield" executions, just plain old executions. like should we keep condoning this or change it? i don't really care, just curious what the community thinks.

[Sulaboy]

Battlefield execution isn't a good name for what it is, but I have seen some bad BEs before. I've seen a CO empty his metaba into a handcuffed person. I don't think the BE is being abused enough to need any change. I haven't seen a BE that has added roleplay to the round before (usually marines will just stand around really grim like if the CO executes one around them, but that's about it), but BEs have helped fix rounds.

Also there isn't a real problem with the BE mechanic, but with how some whitelisted individuals treat it. That whitelist gives someone the highest rank aboard the ship and a license to kill. The commander has a lot of power so the community has to choose who they trust to wield the power.

I haven't seen many BEs while I've played, but they always had a reason behind them, even of some of the reasons weren't as solid as I would like them to be.

[Karmac]

BEs suck, always have always will

[Wubs4Scrubs]

BEs exist as a method of taking shitlers out of the round in a way that's IC, thus keeping players in line with the unspoken threat of being removed from the round if they're ruining it for others. Unfortunately some commanders are much more ridiculous in the dispensing of the mateba than others so it often ends up being abused. Such as if the CO executed the entire security force over Jones wandering off.

[DriedMilk]

BEs are fine, the deal is the people using the BE in everything that dares to challange their autorithy or whatever.

I also dislike the BE inmunity given to prisoners at all times. I would suggest that prisoners could be valid for a BE in critical situations where standard execution procedures are not possible.

[WinterClould]

We should take away every commanders whitelist and make them all reapply with synth/pred levels of standards and requirements in their applications.

Don't make it the stupid popularity contest for a vagly medium but tending to be low rp role. Make this bitch high RP as fuck and straight up dewhitelist anyone that fucks it up by not actually acting like a CO would in the Marines in 2186. People will never respect the rank of the CO when all they do is vagly give orders and wave around a mateba killing people on occasion. They'll respect them more if the CO actually acted like a member of the military and not a clown with autism trying to be everyone's best buddy and erp with you.

Born to command
Almayer is a fuck
Execute them all 2186
I am the treat to the mission
410,757,864,530 unnecessary and pointless low rp BE's

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

"BEs exist as a method of taking shitlers out of the round in a way that's IC, thus keeping players in line with the unspoken threat of being removed from the round if they're ruining it for others."

Bullshit mate, the last BE that i saw and probably the most recent most know about happened earlier today for a player "holding hands" with another player, your calling that removal of a player thats ruining the round for others? I dont think so buddy, your point is way off mark and not reflective of what can and does happen in game.

"We should take away every commanders whitelist and make them all reapply with synth/pred levels of standards and requirements in their applications.

Don't make it the stupid popularity contest for a vagly medium but tending to be low rp role. Make this bitch high RP as fuck and straight up dewhitelist anyone that fucks it up by not actually acting like a CO would in the Marines in 2186. People will never respect the rank of the CO when all they do is vagly give orders and wave around a mateba killing people on occasion. They'll respect them more if the CO actually acted like a member of the military and not a clown with autism trying to be everyone's best buddy and erp with you."

Fucking bingo, first time ive seen someone on the staff actually have the nuts to say this.Most rounds the CO is more clown like than commander like, but not always, Phil Larson being the main one that ive observed.Whilst im on the subject of him quickly.The round just before this round happened, he metarushed all squads basically not long after the shuttle deployment to the underground getting everyone killed/suicided.Which actually did ruin the round for alot of people, and what does everyone do? They laugh like its funny, its not funny.As its one of the most largest player effecting types of griefing you can do, yet its legal somehow with reasoning of "orders", "chain of command", or "its RP".Isn't, like the marines, the commander is meant to be one of the most sound of mind players onboard? If thats the case, how can someone be a such a clown likes it yogstation and BE for the most absurd reasons, or suicide half to all their squads so quickly into a round? Hilarious..

I admin helped regarding this asking if it was infact a form of metarushing/ruining the round for others.You know the replies i got from the admin? Not much, they actually got defensive, the two that i spoke to, and ended up threatening me for simply asking a question.Stating that the question i was asking would be noted and seen as something they thought i was intending to do.Trying to flip what was a honest, simple question, into a threatening attack.Thats pretty fucking sad and i think it shows who needs abit more "maturity" in this game, and its not the players.Eh SovietKitty?

Thats the same kind of response you will get from the staff if you question a BE, like a phil blarson round.You dont even have to be upset about it, they will get defensive and upset themselves...now thats a joke, that is funny.

[Blade2000Br]

BEs are fine, the deal is the people using the BE in everything that dares to challange their autorithy or whatever.

I also dislike the BE inmunity given to prisoners at all times. I would suggest that prisoners could be valid for a BE in critical situations where standard execution procedures are not possible.

I had a time where I brigged a UPP soldier on a event that the admins did. Heinz just came to my beig and executed the guy for no reason after waking up 5 minutes ago.
No punishment was givem, but I was about to arrest him before an actual assault of UPP happened.

Long story short, I agree with BE immunity to prisioners and MPs.

[Sir Lordington]

We should take away every commanders whitelist and make them all reapply with synth/pred levels of standards and requirements in their applications.

Don't make it the stupid popularity contest for a vagly medium but tending to be low rp role. Make this bitch high RP as fuck and straight up dewhitelist anyone that fucks it up by not actually acting like a CO would in the Marines in 2186. People will never respect the rank of the CO when all they do is vagly give orders and wave around a mateba killing people on occasion. They'll respect them more if the CO actually acted like a member of the military and not a clown with autism trying to be everyone's best buddy and erp with you.

Born to command
Almayer is a fuck
Execute them all 2186
I am the treat to the mission
410,757,864,530 unnecessary and pointless low rp BE's

And accomplish nothing. They're going to respect them like they respect preds and synths? High RP won't get you respect, the only thing people respect about COs is the fact that they can take you out instantly, and not even that. People are not going to respect COs more because you make them write some three page long backstory on a google doc, nor is that even close to indicative of being a good commander, much less so than pred/synth.

While I agree that perhaps we should be harsher on COs who carry out questionable executions, I find it wondrous that I often here about these mythical terrible executions for stupid reasons and never see any player reports about them, then when I take a look at the Player Report forum people are reporting COs who execute them for being idiots. Weird, that.

And frankly, if you think people acting like proper military officers is even remotely feasible, especially within the context and pace of a CM round I urge you to take a gander around Baystation, an actual HRP Mil-RP server and even there you'll see some pretty questionable stuff. If you had to dewhitelist anyone who doesn't act like a real commanding officer the whitelist should be blank.

The BE Law was changed recently and cases will be more closely scrutinised. It's mostly working as intended, and it's being changed where it's not. 9/10 executions happen because people decide to do stupid shit to their CO. People need to stop being salty because Commanders won't tolerate their bullshit. Not being executed is mind-boggingly simple. Talk shit, get hit, it really is as simple as that.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

"While I agree that perhaps we should be harsher on COs who carry out questionable executions, I find it wondrous that I often here about these mythical terrible executions for stupid reasons and never see any player reports about them, then when I take a look at the Player Report forum people are reporting COs who execute them for being idiots. Weird, that."

You cant interfere with a arrest ingame, you will get bwoiked for that.Likewise, the times i have asked admins about a BE OOC, they either just write it off straight away as valid, or give the auto response that your question is "nonsensical", so why on earth would anyone take the time and most likely waste it in most cases to write a player report you admins most likely are going to dismiss instantly for the most part?

"And frankly, if you think people acting like proper military officers is even remotely feasible, especially within the context and pace of a CM round I urge you to take a gander around Baystation, an actual HRP Mil-RP server and even there you'll see some pretty questionable stuff. If you had to dewhitelist anyone who doesn't act like a real commanding officer the whitelist should be blank."

So your using another RP type server as a excuse for your own not to be held at the standard of RP that your own rules and guidelines call for? Thats pretty much what im taking from that statement.

"The BE Law was changed recently and cases will be more closely scrutinised. It's mostly working as intended, and it's being changed where it's not. 9/10 executions happen because people decide to do stupid shit to their CO. People need to stop being salty because Commanders won't tolerate their bullshit. Not being executed is mind-boggingly simple. Talk shit, get hit, it really is as simple as that."

Yes, and thats partially what makes this even more bonkers, is that you did just update the BE laws and as i stated just before, you had a "valid" execution of a player holding hands with another player, that didnt directly effect the CO, it was one simple emote by a player actually trying to RP in one way shape or form, and gets removed from the round for it?

You know how alot of players avoid being BE'd, seeming you mentioned how simple it really is.Disregard/dont talk to command staff at all, therefore less RP ingame, kind of against what your server is trying produce, isnt it?

So, whilst WinterClould is trying to actually suggest a possible form of solution to what he and obviously i see as abit of a issue, your just writing it off and producing nothing other than reinforcing more absurd BE's like the one i mentioned, that happened just today.Go on though, say salt a few more times, youll feel better.

[DefinitelyAlone0309]

Yes, and thats partially what makes this even more bonkers, is that you did just update the BE laws and as i stated just before, you had a "valid" execution of a player holding hands with another player, that didnt directly effect the CO, it was one simple emote by a player actually trying to RP in one way shape or form, and gets removed from the round for it?

While I'm not 100% ok with the ability to BE of COs (forcing players out of the round is never ok with me, since I'm a doctor main to specifically prevent this), while do you keep repeating this as if it's a reason to fix the role of CO ? The player in question did not get BE'd because of "hand holding". When the marine was called up, she talked shit about the CO, with a megaphone in hand, in front of every single marine, during briefing. THAT is a legitimate reason for a BE if I ever see one. You're seriously mistaking what Heinz said at the time for what actually happened

About CO as a whole, I don't know about you guys, but I'm fucking happy to see one appearing. That means that the person is at least not bald at commanding, and has at least passed through some trial (though much easier than synth/pred) to actually get that whitelist. I'd much rather have someone like Carson, while a bit memey and game throwing at times, in command then some baldie mcbaldface in there, because I've seen enough XOs and SOs who just wander around aimlessly like an idiot and not adding anything to the round.

[Casany]

I’ve never been BE’d. Mainly because I usually don’t ever really talk to command at all, since I’m usually a grunt. Sometimes I call them nerds but mostly no communication.

Thus far it’s shown that just having no interaction with a BE-happy CO is the best choice. Most COs who don’t battlefield execute are usually the best liked and most interacted with because people actually aren’t fearful to dissent.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

"While I'm not 100% ok with the ability to BE of COs (forcing players out of the round is never ok with me, since I'm a doctor main to specifically prevent this), while do you keep repeating this as if it's a reason to fix the role of CO ?"

What exactly do you mean? Are you asking why im supportive of a CO being BE'd? If so, ive never mentioned that as a solution once.I think thats what you were asking, if im wrong ask again with different wording, i didnt catch the question properly.

"About CO as a whole, I don't know about you guys, but I'm fucking happy to see one appearing." Not sure what you mean there either.

" I'd much rather have someone like Carson, while a bit memey and game throwing at times, in command then some baldie mcbaldface in there, because I've seen enough XOs and SOs who just wander around aimlessly like an idiot and not adding anything to the round."

On this though, when you say you dont want to see or have any baldie mcbaldface staff players in round, what your actually saying is, i dont want any newer players, (or even possibly older players that havnt tried a command staff role), to attempt to learn and execute a command staff role because they dont know how to play it yet, because they have never played that role for experience, in turn making it so that player never gets experience in that said role.Making rounds less dynamic, with the same people in command staff roles and the whole same chain reaction(tactics, outcome) that usually goes with it.

Have you even played a command staff role DefinitelyAlone0309? If not, going by your logic, your totally "bald" at it, and should never attempt to play that role, as other players that think like you dont want baldie mcbaldface players like you running around aimlessly and not contributing to the round, sound good?

[DefinitelyAlone0309]

"While I'm not 100% ok with the ability to BE of COs (forcing players out of the round is never ok with me, since I'm a doctor main to specifically prevent this), while do you keep repeating this as if it's a reason to fix the role of CO ?"

What exactly do you mean? Are you asking why im supportive of a CO being BE'd? If so, ive never mentioned that as a solution once.I think thats what you were asking, if im wrong ask again with different wording, i didnt catch the question properly.

"About CO as a whole, I don't know about you guys, but I'm fucking happy to see one appearing." Not sure what you mean there either.

" I'd much rather have someone like Carson, while a bit memey and game throwing at times, in command then some baldie mcbaldface in there, because I've seen enough XOs and SOs who just wander around aimlessly like an idiot and not adding anything to the round."

On this though, when you say you dont want to see or have any baldie mcbaldface, what your actually saying is, i dont want any newer, (or even possibly older players that havnt tried a command staff role), to attempt to learn and execute a command staff role because they dont know how to play yet, because they have never played that role, in turn making it so that player never gets experience in that said role.Making rounds less dynamics, with the same people in command staff roles and the whole chain reaction(tactics, outcome) that usually goes with it.

Have you even played a command staff role DefinitelyAlone0309? If not, going by your logic, your totally "bald" at it, and should never attempt to play that role, as other players that think like you dont want baldie mcbaldface players like you running around aimlessly and not contributing to the round, sound good?

Firstly, I misplaced my words with that line. I'm talking about COs' ability to BE.

Secondly, yes, I have played SO already, 4 times actually, I just don't find fun in it. If we're talking about "command role" in general, I've played RO, CMO, Queen, SO. I'm not talking about the players that want to learn Command roles, I'm talking about the ones that literally just started to play and have XO/SO pref on for some reason and basically don't do their jobs whatsoever. I have seen XOs that just walk around the station aimlessly, not even knowing where CIC is. I've seen SO that just comes into medbay, asking me to make synthflesh for him for some reason, while completely ignoring his responsibility. Now those guys are the lads I want to avoid, and it's those times that a friendly face of a CO is welcome, no matter whether I actually know the dude's name or play with the dude.

[Casany]

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Psst. You can quote people by hitting the quotation mark in the corner.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

Firstly, I misplaced my words with that line. I'm talking about COs' ability to BE.

Secondly, yes, I have played SO already, 4 times actually, I just don't find fun in it. If we're talking about "command role" in general, I've played RO, CMO, Queen, SO. I'm not talking about the players that want to learn Command roles, I'm talking about the ones that literally just started to play and have XO/SO pref on for some reason and basically don't do their jobs whatsoever. I have seen XOs that just walk around the station aimlessly, not even knowing where CIC is. I've seen SO that just comes into medbay, asking me to make synthflesh for him for some reason, while completely ignoring his responsibility. Now those guys are the lads I want to avoid, and it's those times that a friendly face of a CO is welcome, no matter whether I actually know the dude's name or play with the dude.

I have no problem with the CO's ability to BE someone as a general function,i dont think almost anyone does.Its the reasonings that are very loose or non-existant is what im mainly on about.What CO in any walk of life or time frame, would have, or has done, murder any one of their marines for anything less than being a complete liability to the objectives at hand?

"The player in question did not get BE'd because of "hand holding". When the marine was called up, she talked shit about the CO, with a megaphone in hand, in front of every single marine, during briefing. THAT is a legitimate reason for a BE if I ever see one. You're seriously mistaking what Heinz said at the time for what actually happened"

Understood, i missed some of the information then, however the same sentiment applies, as i wouldnt call that a complete liability of the commanders objectives, and could of just been brigged for the appropriate amount of time.You know what was a complete liability in that round that, the command staff engaging in a BE that caused a chain reaction of : A mutiny almost instantly occurred because of it, the marines never actually landed on the planet at all, the xenoes were called by the queen admin mother to "might as well get on the ship, they are killing each other".To give context, this was roughly a 160+ player round when i last checked, possibly more, so high population.

You call that a legitimate BE, i call that the commander himself being a liability against his own objectives.Over one simple briggable offense.Talk about jumping the gun.

And if it was a legitimately valid BE for the reasons you stated, then why did the admins OK a mutiny?


Yeah ive played SO just a few times more, cant say im really a big fan of it either.I completely agree with what you said about totally new players getting into their first round as a high responsibility role, i would be lying if i said that i didn't agree.I also would like to avoid them if possible, but if they seem really new, i try not to get on their donut too much myself personally as they are already trying to figure alot out, being screamed at doesnt help exactly.I prefer to try and assist and help make them into a better player like others have done to me, if possible.I dont know if it is a good or bad thing, but theres no preventive measure against them joining as a high responsibility role, so obviously the admins aint too concerned about that themselves all that much and are allowing totally fresh players to play anything from XO rank and below.Which going from what i have been saying, i must be a supporter of letting them do so, as to get newer, different faced and named people into high responsibility roles, which i ultimately think is a good thing.

This is how people learn though, this game even though 2D, is quite complex and although its clearly different for everyone, its taken me years just to get a basic to advanced grip on how to play SS13 in general.I'm sure im not the only one either, infact i think its more likely than not, that its the case for most longer term players.

Psst. You can quote people by hitting the quotation mark in the corner.

Thanks for that, the quote button had eluded me somehow, even though it was right there.

Cheers

[DefinitelyAlone0309]

I have no problem with the CO's ability to BE someone as a general function, its the reasonings that are very loose or non-existant is what im mainly on about.What CO in any walk of life or time frame, would have, or has done, murder any one of their marines for anything less than being a complete liability to the objectives at hand?

"The player in question did not get BE'd because of "hand holding". When the marine was called up, she talked shit about the CO, with a megaphone in hand, in front of every single marine, during briefing. THAT is a legitimate reason for a BE if I ever see one. You're seriously mistaking what Heinz said at the time for what actually happened"

Understood, i missed some of the information then, however the same sentiment applies, as i wouldnt call that a complete liability of the commanders objectives, and could of just been brigged for the appropriate amount of time.You know what was a complete liability in that round that, the command staff engaging in a BE that caused a chain reaction of : A mutiny almost instantly occurred because of it, the marines never actually landed on the planet at all, the xenoes were called by the queen admin mother to "might as well get on the ship, they are killing each other".To give context, this was roughly a 160+ player round when i last checked, possibly more, so high population.

You call that a legitimate BE, i call that the commander himself being a liability against his own objectives.Over one simple briggable offense.Talk about jumping the gun.

And if it was a legitimate BE for the reasons you stated, then why did the admins OK a mutiny?

But the BE was not the reason for the mutiny though. It was a random shot to the CO's face from a griefing player that escalated the entire thing to the sky.

On the BE vs letting MP take the criminal in part, that can be argued for absolutely everything. The marine in question, while could've just been brigged and left to rot, insulted the CO in front of his army and crew, threatening his authority over everyone. They are proving themselves to be a threat to the mission at this point.

Admemes said OK to a mutiny because mutinies and BEs are not necessarily exclusive to each other. A BE can be a legit action at the time, yet also be a legit reason for a mutiny. Also because they're admemes

Marines never went down because they were having so much fun and so many things to do shipside (Seriously, Charlie squad built a fucking fort in cafeteria for themselves, which later would hold against benos for so long that it allowed SD to happen), with the mutiny and the separations of squads happening, with the lancers starting to cause some problem as well.

On top of everything, the entire round was MEMORABLE. No one remembers the ones where marines successfully steamroll the benos, or vice versa. They remember shitfests, last stands, special moments, ... and this round had all of it. It's not gonna be a thing every time, and it won't be the same CO every time, but I'm happy that we can have rounds like this from time to time.

Most importantly, the BE'd player actually didn't have any problem with it whatsoever, and actually had some fun watching the whole thing unfold

[Heckenshutze]

I've never been BE'd, ever. Just do as you were told and you wont get BE'd is simple enough; if you're very aware that the CO can mateba your head off for ANYTHING you should try to stick to a higher standard as a marine.

Besides, in the end, the fault falls on the same players because CO's are voted by the community not the staff. If you have a trigger-happy CO is because you fucking put him there.

P.S Nobody can escape the will of the Mateba.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

But the BE was not the reason for the mutiny though. It was a random shot to the CO's face from a griefing player that escalated the entire thing to the sky.

I was watching this unfold as a ghost and if i remember correctly that first burst of shots fired after the BE, which inbetween marines were already talking aloud and over comms about a mutiny, so thats debatable.

On the BE vs letting MP take the criminal in part, that can be argued for absolutely everything. The marine in question, while could've just been brigged and left to rot, insulted the CO in front of his army and crew, threatening his authority over everyone. They are proving themselves to be a threat to the mission at this point.

Yes, and it should be argued for everything, thats the exact job of the MP's and WO, to enforce marine law, even to the ships highest ranking officers.By allowing a mutiny to arise over something so simple is basically them being neglectful of their own job, let alone the commander and his objectives and job.Not the initial single marines offenses and neglect.One marine shouting gibberish over a megaphone in briefing clearly has the potential to totally destroy a operation? Come on mate, get real, thats complete non-sense.If it was possible for that to overthrow a operation, then it would have to be a valid reason for a mutiny, which i dont think it would ever be accepted as one.Maybe im wrong..

Admemes said OK to a mutiny because mutinies and BEs are not necessarily exclusive to each other. A BE can be a legit action at the time, yet also be a legit reason for a mutiny. Also because they're admemes

From what ive read over time, that seems to be absolutely correct, no argument on that.

Marines never went down because they were having so much fun and so many things to do shipside (Seriously, Charlie squad built a fucking fort in cafeteria for themselves, which later would hold against benos for so long that it allowed SD to happen), with the mutiny and the separations of squads happening, with the lancers starting to cause some problem as well.

On top of everything, the entire round was MEMORABLE. No one remembers the ones where marines successfully steamroll the benos, or vice versa. They remember shitfests, last stands, special moments, ... and this round had all of it. It's not gonna be a thing every time, and it won't be the same CO every time, but I'm happy that we can have rounds like this from time to time.

Most importantly, the BE'd player actually didn't have any problem with it whatsoever, and actually had some fun watching the whole thing unfold

Yes, some marines would of been having fun with it, maybe even most of them, most likely the case.You know who wasnt enjoying it, the xenoes as i was one of them and even though from what i seen the xenoes werent overly bored somehow, there was signs of it.Were meant to be playing a game arent we? If i want to sit basically idle, i could go play a actual RTS game for that, not what im here for.

Fantastic, i hope it was memorable, thats what this whole thing is about isnt it, im not against memorable rounds whatsoever.I remember the steamroll rounds and i know others do to, thats quite a silly thing to say, not everyone is just playing for a phil blarson round and then their lives are complete dude.Some like playing tactically and might go about it more seriously than others, kinda like when kids chuck a hissy fit because their connection dropped/lagged out and got them killed, ya know?

Your last statement is blatantly obvious to everyone i imagine, of coarse every round is different in different areas, even with the exact same or slightly different marine line up of players.Its clearly impossible to replicate a exact round twice..

Most importantly to you, out of that whoole round, was that atleast the BE'd person still had a smile on their dial about it, lucky them.Sounds abit selfish to me considering the xenoes were just waiting on fog to drop only to have no hosts to play with.Shame on you.

[Lukey111]

I've got BE'd once, and that was when I Alpha SL. I was ordered from Cliff to send all of my men from the FOB to the frontlines. I sayd that we should not leave the FOB undefended, and we should stay, he didn't care. I asked if I could leave a FT, he sayd no. Then the SOs started getting involved, saying I should leave a FT because they could easily get flanked (We were on LV, by the way.). The SOs told me not to listen and to keep my whole squad there, so I sent a decent sized FT to assist the frontlines, even the Groundside SO sayd the CO was "Special". So, of course, he came down and gave me a big Mateba shot to the head. After I died, everyone listened to him. Guess how we losed? They flanked the FOB and took it, then Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, and Delta got wiped out from the road, expecting a good ole FOB to treat them. I hate people that order stuff like that, it is just poor planning.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

it is just poor planning.

A trait you would kind of assume a commander would and should have, huh?

[Renomaki]

As a CO that has used BEs a few times himself, I understand that being suddenly executed isn't all that fun, no matter the reasoning. But sometimes, you just gotta do what you gotta do, and time in the brig might not be enough to get a message across.

Say you are in the middle of a push, your marines are making great progress but still need a bit of extra firepower to help squeeze them in. So an NCO sets an OB and gets in touch with his overwatch officer, sending him the coordinates and to fire on his mark. Then the cannons rock the ship shortly after, and to your surprise, you hear cries of "BAD OB" and "IT HIT MARINES"!

Turns out the SO that fired it fucked up the coordinates and screwed the entire push, killing up to 10 marines and causing morale to drop so hard that the marines flee the frontlines, giving the xenos a victory. What would you do in such a case? Marines are crying for blood, blaming command for fucking up and ruining everything, and all this SO can do is sit there eating his burrito like nothing happened. Someone needs to be punished, and punished HARD for this fuckup.

So, you walk up to him, inform him of his failure to perform to an acceptable standard... And then you splatter his brains all over his overwatch console. Afterwards you reassure the marines via announcement that the man that murdered so many of their comrades is dead and calm their rage somewhat, gaining back some respect from the marines for a short while.

Mind you, I don't enjoy BEs, but they tend to send a very strong message to the offending player, who hopefully learns from their critical mistake and attempts to avoid screwing over the operation as a whole next time they are in a position of importance.

The issue is when you BE someone for a slight, minor thing is when it starts to get abusive.

Honestly, I could do a whole topic on commanders and their relationship with marines, so maybe I just might later on, rather than ramble off topic about it here.

[Wubs4Scrubs]

"BEs exist as a method of taking shitlers out of the round in a way that's IC, thus keeping players in line with the unspoken threat of being removed from the round if they're ruining it for others."

Bullshit mate, the last BE that i saw and probably the most recent most know about happened earlier today for a player "holding hands" with another player, your calling that removal of a player thats ruining the round for others? I dont think so buddy, your point is way off mark and not reflective of what can and does happen in game.

Wow, its almost like you completely stopped reading my statement after the first sentence, you know, the part where I say commanders often take it too far and do it for ridiculous reasons. Good job.

[immaspaceninja]

I'm okay with BEs being used on people who are doing stuff that will most likely lead some marines dying.
However, CO's just BEing people for disrespect is aids. You're literally missing an opportunity to give them an awesome satan-tier punishment.

[DriedMilk]

I had a time where I brigged a UPP soldier on a event that the admins did. Heinz just came to my beig and executed the guy for no reason after waking up 5 minutes ago.
No punishment was givem, but I was about to arrest him before an actual assault of UPP happened.

Long story short, I agree with BE immunity to prisioners and MPs.

That's just improper use of a BE in my opinion and probably able to get a player report going.

It's just weird to start stacking people in chairs in a mutiny where the only safe zone is the CiC and it just ends up in a really cramped place. This is when a BE would be valid, in my opinion.