Is there even a point in trying for predator?

[Renomaki]

Oi, predator here, with a debate that has been bothering me as of late.

Mainly, what is the point of trying for predator these days?

When it was new and cool, EVERYONE wanted to be a predator. It had so much potential for awesome experiences, both for the player and those around them, creating all kinds of stories in the process. That was when it was new and full of wonder... Now?

Well, a lot of the secretive stuff is not really a secret at this point (unless you are still fairly new to the server). Predators used to be this scary force of nature, but now when people sense a predator is nearby, they either just casually hand-weave it or try and slaughter it the first chance they get, not because the predator is a threat to them, but rather because of the PHAT LOOT they drop.

Despite what many people say, predators are hardly as strong as a lot of people imagine them to be, easily being riddled with bullets or WRECKED by a single ravager charge. Sure, they can tank more damage than the average marine, but pain is still a big issue, and predator deaths are plenty. Otherwise, why would people be so gung-ho about hunting them and showing no fear in said hunting if it wasn't for the fact that predators are not as strong as they claim?

"But Reno" I hear you say, "predators are supposed to be mainly a roleplaying job, isn't that the whole reason for their creation?".

Well, yeah, predators are mainly there to provide marines (and sometimes xenos) an alternate experience. They spook them, taunt them, drive them paranoid until suddenly the spooky man decloaks before them and starts beating their face in. And while that does happen, that is ALL that can happen. The whitelist makes a big deal about how they want predator players to bring new things to the table, but the problem with that is all that I mentioned earlier (AKA being a spoopy ghost man) is technically the only thing allowed. You can't violate the predator code, nor can you make a predator that is anything other than a hunter. So you are pretty much stuck with doing the same thing over and over (much to everyone's annoyance), lest you wanna risk getting denied or removed from the list because you stepped on an eggshell.

But say that you are ok with just being a typical spooky man, however? Well, while you might make the round interesting for some people, most of them don't even give a crap about your spooky noises. When was the last time you were excited to have a predator try to spook you? I figure a long ass time ago. Hell, no offense to my fellow predator players, but most of them don't even TRY to set scenes and make things interesting for the marines upon landing, they just deploy, make a little camp, then go slap things with their sharp things. But I can't blame them, because it is hard to give a crap when no one else cares about what you do, let alone views you as something more than just an angry lootbox (would that make predators mimics?).

Yet, despite how often players witnessed the anticlimactic lives of the average predator, despite how often they complain about how predators are just a half-assed addition that brings nothing to the game that should just be removed, despite how these people spend more time just KILLING THEM ON SIGHT instead of attempting any kind of RP with them... We still have countless players trying to apply for it. And these days it is even HARDER to do so, since finding an app that isn't generic is getting tougher and tougher (all because of the harsh limitations the apps require of people).

I don't get why people still even bother trying, knowing that in the end, they'll just be disappointed when they finally get it. Mind you, I'm thankful that I get to be one of the few that are still able to play as a predator from time to time, but I gotta say... It really isn't as magical as a lot of people imagine it to be, and if anything, it just becomes rather meh after awhile. I still play it from time to time, just not with the same excitement I once had as a newbie, familiar with the cold reality of it all.

Your opinions, dear forum goers?

[Sleepy Retard]

unga bunga me want pred to kill marine and xeno and cause salt

just that.

it's not an rp role

[TehSpoderman]

I want to ask, how many pred whitelisted players actually act like their preds that they wrote in their background?

[Heckenshutze]

I like it because it's a fresh change once a while to the standard marine / xeno gameplay.

[AmazinglyAmazing]

I always get excited when I realize I'm playing in a Pred round... and then immediately realize the Preds will die twenty minutes into marine deployment because who cares about ROE(?), or slaughter a majority of the marines (including the ones trying to RP back somewhat) because either marines continuously fire at them immediately or rush their lodge. It's disappointing really, cause I have lots of fun when Preds get a chance, even if I don't interact with them directly.

Seriously, start making your spooky Pred noises near me and pop up on the tracker? I'm in. I'll gladly RP.

[Sulaboy]

Reno as a whitelisted predator what do you wish marines would do more often to make predators a more impactful role. I always felt that the impact a predator had on the round was mostly due to its own actions. I also feel that predators should use that time they're supposed to be tracking down prey to find a target who they think would act correctly and is isolated from the majority of the action.

[Casany]

Well, my worst experience with pred is also the reason why I personally believe they need to actually start enforcing some heavier RP onto preds.

Basically, as a defenseless survivor I was holding out on Ice (I think I was in the crashed ship) when out of the blue comes a predator to my hold out. I think nothing of it, it was only like 5 minutes into the round and I had checked the ship for any sign of habitation and there wasn’t any, so it wasn’t a lodge. Some time passes, I kill a runner with all my ammunition I have. Predator comes back, as I’m bringing the corpse in and just starts tearing me apart. It had a sword and in about two hits my head was gone. No RP, no nothing, just silently uncloaking and murdering me.

While technically I was valid prey and they later used my hold out as a lodge, this is why I believe predators have lost sight of their intended purpose. No predators play any differently, I can only differentiate Bobby from the rest of the mass and only because he always has a spear on his back. If two predators came at me I wouldn’t have any clue who they belonged to because of how similar they’d be. And they don’t RP, anyone who says they RP is either lying or a minority. The extent of a preds RP is *rawr murderize XD* it used to be better, I would know. In 2016 there were actually preds who RPed, you had rounds where preds wouldnt just murder randomly but instead they’d actually taunt and talk, and sometimes even take marines on as apprentices if they proved themselves.

Predators have slowly devolved into a bunch of murder hobos, because the role isn’t taken care of and because they aren’t policed at all.

[Butlerblock]

Sense of accomplishment

Edit: Oh you meant being a pred. Basically what sleepy said.

[Mann handle]

Snip

I'd jump in and say that if any pred is acting like a complete murder hobo then report them on the forum, but I think part of what you are saying is correct in terms of policing it.

On the whole Pred RP is non existent because if they attempt to RP with marines they'll get shot or command orders a KoS. Aliens wont give them the time of day unless they attack it 5v1. Yet the preds are hamstrung because they can't act freely and it gets to the point that preds are now openly baiting marines to shoot at them just so they can actually do something. That being the worst I've seen from preds, I've only seen a couple of preds actually do some RP and last night had one pred pointing at a safe the PMCs had and asked us to open it. That was one pred however and his mate went into the back of the FOB and hacked a turret to death. So we have command and some players telling people to shoot the preds and other parts of command and players telling us not to shoot preds, I was on the latter side of that argument.

IF it was me, I'd police the preds a little harder at the same time let up on some of the restrictions related to the honour code so they can actually hunt things instead of spoop the target and then hope the marine / xeno plays along without either running or getting 20 helpers to blow the pred to bits. Either way, the Pred is not really an RP role yet it's handled like one.

[Morgan]

Whenever I see a pred I personally just pretend I saw nothing and move on with the round because I know it will devolve into me trying to talk to them and understanding nothing for 30 minutes while they speak in their language without trying to use emotes at all or its going to end up being a one sided duel where Im not allowed to use a
weapon that would do any damage to them anyway, predators need more fluff and their code/moderation needs to be laxed a bit so predators are actually allowed to do more than just ME HUNT ME KILL XD

[Renomaki]

I want to ask, how many pred whitelisted players actually act like their preds that they wrote in their background?

When I originally made my pred, he was supposed to be this jolly old soul, very chatty and often a good sport about things, even in death.

As the months went on, sadly, that idea rotted away, and his persona has changed into a more...Well, I guess he doesn't even HAVE a set personality. While there are a few traits that are constant, most of the time I just kinda wing it on the fly. Sometimes I'm a chatty prankster, other times I'm a desperate gloryhound. It all depends on if I'm having a good or bad round.

In other words, I kinda just forgot the majority of my backstory, because in the end, it doesn't matter once you get in game.

Reno as a whitelisted predator what do you wish marines would do more often to make predators a more impactful role. I always felt that the impact a predator had on the round was mostly due to its own actions. I also feel that predators should use that time they're supposed to be tracking down prey to find a target who they think would act correctly and is isolated from the majority of the action.

Honestly, I can't really ask marines to play nice when I'm trying to spook them. In fact, it is perfectly IC for marines to look at me and then assume I am a threat. After all, I look like a flipping raider or space pirate, of course they are going to shoot at those types of people.

As for Xenos, it is second nature for them to try and kill predators, what with that whole "desire to expand the hive" thing they always have going on. Not like you could RP much with them to begin with, though...

Really, the best we can do as PREDATORS is to find other ways to make the round interesting indirectly. I myself been experimenting with creating small set-pieces every now and then for the marines to stumble into, creating questions and sparking curiosity, provided the xenos don't ruin it, anyways...

That, and I wish it was easier to communicate with marines. I know I had a recent round where I had plenty of moments where I got to talk and RP with a marine(s) without getting shot at, but it is often very hard to do so when all they keep saying in response is "I'm sorry, what?".

Then again, sometimes when marines DO want to RP with preds, it kinda comes off as forced, rather than natural, and that kinda takes the fun out of those strange encounters between cultures.

Really, it all comes down to issues with communication and interaction. Pred players need to get more creative, make use of the map around them more, really set the mood and get players curious about what is going on, rather than simply going "Oh, pred round, meh".

[Renomaki]

predators need more fluff and their code/moderation needs to be laxed a bit so predators are actually allowed to do more than just ME HUNT ME KILL XD

You know what would be kinda cool? If predators could be more than just, you know... Generic Hunters.

Maybe have a priest who assists with the hunt, mending wounds and providing blessings. Or a variation of hunter that is more like a ranger. Hell, maybe even a predator that forgoes the tech of his people in favor of human shooty bang guns, or even (legasp) a BAD BLOOD?

It would be nice to mix it up with some variety, instead of just having the same type of Hunter over and over again. Sure, you can use different weapons, but in the end, it doesn't change much, moreso due to honor code restricting certain playstyles (for instance, you can't really be a ranger due to how honorcode demands all your honorable hunting be fought face to face).

Yes, honorcode is there to keep predators on a leash, but it also limits creativity, which is ironic considering how a lot of predator players judge people for their lack of creativity on their apps. And when someone does make a different playstyle, it risks clashing with the code and thus cannot be approved.

[KingPhilipIII]

@Renomaki

I mean. Reno. You're a respectable person. Talk to the mins, see if you can convince them to do what they do for survivors. Give predators a little blurb at the beginning with a variety of possible gimmicks, whether it be a priest, a trapper, some sadistic fuck or otherwise.

It'll be small, inoffensive, very small, maybe enough for them to actually listen, but it's a nudge that might get the ball rolling for players. It wouldn't be an actually out of line thing either to give the predators some ideas and freedom.

[AmazinglyAmazing]

That being the worst I've seen from preds, I've only seen a couple of preds actually do some RP and last night had one pred pointing at a safe the PMCs had and asked us to open it. That was one pred however and his mate went into the back of the FOB and hacked a turret to death. So we have command and some players telling people to shoot the preds and other parts of command and players telling us not to shoot preds, I was on the latter side of that argument.

Yeah. I was the Executive Officer that round. Upon hearing about the Preds, I asked that the marines attempt to communicate and have the Predators perhaps meet one of the Command Staff, to possibly bring something interesting between the Preds and Marines (though the safe thing was brought up moments later). But, as said, during the exchange a Predator took down a sentry, and suddenly half of the Command Staff including the Commander were freaking out ordering a KOS order for hostility, while the other half including myself were trying to explain that they were possibly aware the sentry would fire if turned on, noting that they most likely lacked IDs. Eventually, one grabbed a Charlie headset and the synth (Chloe I believe) and I listened in to the Predator mock us on horrible OBs and CAS strikes, along with us slowly losing the LZ.

That's what I hate. I understand the whole "Hmm, invisible armed and savage looking humanoids on a colony that got wiped? Seems we found the issue, open fire" idea, but.. There are definitely still Predators out there who attempt to RP with talking, emotes, being spooky, ect.. I guess I'm in the minority.

[Renomaki]

@Renomaki

I mean. Reno. You're a respectable person. Talk to the mins, see if you can convince them to do what they do for survivors. Give predators a little blurb at the beginning with a variety of possible gimmicks, whether it be a priest, a trapper, some sadistic fuck or otherwise.

It'll be small, inoffensive, very small, maybe enough for them to actually listen, but it's a nudge that might get the ball rolling for players. It wouldn't be an actually out of line thing either to give the predators some ideas and freedom.

The sad reality of that is that I have no such power over things like that. I may be well known, but that doesn't mean I can influence development of the game.

Predator updates are always the lowest priority, so low to the point that they almost never happen. Sure, there was that ship update many a months back, and after a controversial predator report, they introduced increased stun resistance, and you could probably even say the whole "predalien" thing was a predator update too. But such updates are few and far between.

Deep down, this game is and will always be a game about the marines and the xenos. Predators were just a small thing that just kinda happened one day, and they tinkered with it a little before brushing it to the side and focusing on more important things. If they ever do another update for predators, it'll no doubt be a small side project in between bigger projects.

If I ever KNEW how to code and sprite, though... I wouldn't mind giving the predators a few new toys and gimmicks, though. Thinking about it, it is ironic how the most sought after role in the game is also the most unloved by staff and a large number of players.

[NescauComToddy]

Hey there, I'm also a pred player like Reno and I would like to leave my two cents here since I'm intending to start playing CM again.

I agree with Reno about how there is not much openness to new possibilities when playing as a bread due to the various restrictions that are imposed by the honor code. I've always tried to impersonate the character in my app, but sometimes we have to play with the same stereotype to avoid problems with our whitelist.

Sometimes, while I'm trying to scare marines, I wonder how I could make the round of some players more interesting if the honor code was more lenient, for example, capture marines that prove worthy and isolate such somewhere to actually hunt them down, or have them fight each other for their freedom in an arena, etc. Our role is RP, but we do not have many tools to extend that focus if we want to preserve the round of other players as we should. The most we can do is create an environment with a more dangerous atmosphere by abusing our knowledge of the map and our ease of moving through it, trying to create mini-events and in itself, acting like a predator.

Another constant problem we experience is the lack of understanding of the Marines when we try to communicate with them, as Reno said earlier. Often we provide opportunities for a minority of players to do something different, but almost every time such players can not understand us and we are forced to give up our ideas because of this difficulty in communicating.

My character builds temples, prays and honors his God, but I can never find a creative and permissible way of ‘joining’ other players in his mechanics other than questioning the existence of my constructions. Sometimes I create rivalries between me and a human character, but it's tricky to take it somewhere, if you get me.

Who knows, if we are lucky one day, we get a feature that helps us provide different and unique experiences beyond what we have already done, or something that allows us to be more creative.

[x31stOverlord]

I guess I'll throw myself in here as well. Ever since my acceptance to the Pred whitelist I have strived to add RP to the rounds I am in. I believe the name Zathar-Veraz is not unfamiliar with most observers of rounds and I am usually identifiable as one of the more "laid back" Preds. I try to RP and engage marines in spooky antics or speak with them. I RP Zathar as a very curious Yautja. He is almost obsessed with Humanity as he finds them interesting, the interest is stemmed from his ancestors involvement in the 'enlightening' of humanity many centuries prior.

Hell, I love RP and I sometimes go entire pred rounds without taking a single life as I'm too occupied with RPing, do I speak for all Preds? No, of course I don't. Do I agree that Pred rounds are disappointing? No, not all. I have issues when I try to RP where some Dunga marine opens fire and all others then proceed to open fire and then the rest of the round all I hear is cries of "SUPER AGRESSIVE GHOST MEN KILL ON SIGHT" It really does annoy me sometimes but such is the way of the Unga. Those rounds I still try to generate RP but end up having to kill marines.

I agree that the Pred players are overlooked when being dealt with as unfortunately they are seen as uneccesary or hated because of how they operate and how there are a broad array of personality types who have a Pred whitelist and how they play their individual Preds. This is in part I think to a distinct lack of leadership in the Pred community. The most active people who involved themselves heavily in pred matters have stopped playing or retired for whatever reason. And no offence to any other staff, it has been neglected.

I feel as though we can work through issues and slowly reign in predators and establish a more up-to-date Pred code and guidelines as the current ruleset is Ancient and is outdated. A full revamp of the code may be necessary and perhaps a more active observation of pred activities to ensure that whilst we are in the game we do not abuse our positions.

I would suggest that we have new Elder Preds approved/promoted so that we may have experienced Pred players in a position of supervision over Pred players and allow them to begin discussions on how they feel the current and ongoing predator activities and behaviours can be dealt with internally if possible.

Please leave any feedback or comments you may have. I will be writing up suggestions to head staff regarding my own suggestions and if you want anything added. Quote me or send me a PM. Thank you.

[Fcanau]

While I'm a new player I'm pretty familiar with AvP canon and I feel like predators don't fit the game's current format much.

IC no single marine can be worthy of being specifically hunted so the only worthy hunt is to take on an entire group and if predators die in the movie its pretty much due to hubris. With the Perfect Organisms the obvious targets are first and foremost the Queen and then her T3's. The loss of any of these will weaken the hive against the marines and taking out a queen is potentially gamebreaking. Same with hunting multiple marines.

So basically if you play a predator convincingly you're essentially griefing and if you don't it all ends up looking very unpredatorly while dchat is hurling salt anyway.

[Casany]

Sometimes, while I'm trying to scare marines, I wonder how I could make the round of some players more interesting if the honor code was more lenient, for example, capture marines that prove worthy and isolate such somewhere to actually hunt them down, or have them fight each other for their freedom in an arena, etc. Our role is RP, but we do not have many tools to extend that focus if we want to preserve the round of other players as we should. The most we can do is create an environment with a more dangerous atmosphere by abusing our knowledge of the map and our ease of moving through it, trying to create mini-events and in itself, acting like a predator.

Another constant problem we experience is the lack of understanding of the Marines when we try to communicate with them, as Reno said earlier. Often we provide opportunities for a minority of players to do something different, but almost every time such players can not understand us and we are forced to give up our ideas because of this difficulty in communicating.

Exactly. Predators are limited by both the admins in power and the code they have to follow to be basically whitelisted griefers.

The problem is, when predators were created this is what they were intended to be. From my brief time on the staff team I found out that when Abbsynth or whatever her name was created the predators, she had no intention of making it a whitelisted role but every intention to abuse her power with it. They were intended for admins to abuse their power, and were created without the knowledge of Apop or any head dev at the time of creation.

Instead of totally removing them though, which Apop was in favor of, the staff team at the time wanted to keep them as a whitelisted role. Apop was in favor of removing them, and in general disliked predators, but they weren't removed because people thought they could work. They worked for two years but now the consequences of their creation. No one wanted to work on them, no one still wants to work on them, not because they're bad but because they were never even intended to be in the game. At least, that's what I think.

Now onto the limiting factor that is the admins and Apop himself.

There was a time in 2016 where predators had a bit more leniency. Predators would do things like take slaves and apprentices and kidnap marines and xenos to have them fight to the death in arenas, like y'all are stating you want. I specifically remember when Apop made the ruling to take that away. Me, Jay, and Biolock were talking about a recent round in slack, where Jay and Biolock had taken the survivors as slaves to build and watch the lodge for them. Apop came in and asked if this was true, and of course everyone said yes because no one thought it was bad. He said that predators shouldn't be taking slaves, and that they are no longer allowed to do that. He made the same ruling on kidnapping marines and xenos to bring to arenas, and taking apprentices. People still did but it was considered a bit more taboo. Now I never see predators do this. If any of this is wrong feel free to correct me, it's been about 2 years since this has happened so I could get things wrong.

Anyway, predators have tried to branch out and RP more, each time they've been shut down by the mechanics of the predator itself or the admins above them. If nothing new is added to predators or if the admins don't let up it'll just continue like this. And I don't see any of this changing any time soon. So at the moment, applying for predator is something you should do only if you just wanna have a licence to kill people on random rounds. If you want to RP and if you have fun RPing, play researcher or CL, or MP. Any shipside role really. Or even a marine. Honestly, all of those roles have more chances to RP than a predator at this moment, and it will probably remain this way.

[Jonesome]

Now I never see predators do this. If any of this is wrong feel free to correct me, it's been about 2 years since this has happened so I could get things wrong.

A couple months ago maybe, I saw predators kidnap a couple of marines and have them fight to the death on the Pred ship.

[Heckenshutze]

There's nothing wrong applying for predator just to kill, after all it's an antagonist role; if you make a good app and restrain yourself to the honor code and kill players according to the honor code you're free to do so, and nobody should be blamed for wanting a role that can take on both factions with a variety of tools.

Remember we are, a BIG community, we're the most played server of SS13 in the whole BYOND and that means we have dozens of players, regulars and casuals that want different things, you have to stop acting like the spanish inquisition wanting for every player to enjoy the game in the way you like.

Really, some are for the RP, some are there for the kills, hell, even some, including me, joins a game, goes PFC and shoots shit until gets killed only to relieve some stress from work or life in general.. and all those types of fun are allowed.

My point is, yes, there's a -point- in playing predator, it's a linear thing? yes it is. But some people like it, if it was a super lame thing we wouldn't have a predator playing everytime there's a hunt round.

About the slaves thing, since the Yautja ship update we have an arena, cells, cuffs, and gladiator gear; what does that tells you? it's up for the predators to make it happen..

It really sums up to a very simple thing:

You see no point on playing predator? Don't.

Someone still wants to apply/play predator? That's his problem.

[Twizz]

My side of things what i witnessed with preds is summed up in a short scenario:
" *Predator uncloaks whilst im watching FoB / Dragging wounded to a medic then returning to the front / Treating myself whilst the squad continues.* Me: 'What?! Who are you?!' Pred: *Laughs, cloaks again, starts spamming emotes with clicking and 'I see you' 'I see you' and then runs around whilst claoked* - *I continue on and engage a Xeno, kill the xeno and a stray bullet hit the pred* - Pred: *Uncloaks, roars and throws a spear at me which hits me* Me: *Natural ROE i try to defend myself and shoot back at him, he then knocks me unconcious or down and picks up his spear* - *Other marines arrive and then blast at him, he runs away and cloaks, i then go back up on the Almayer for advanced Medical things and Surgery which lasts atleast 10minutes or 15 from fractures and IB* "

So basically the average predator i see just spams emotes which is technically against the rules when one presses the 'Emote' button / verb / command and it says : 'Spamming these can lead to a warning'. The highest RP i had so far with a predator is just him doing the distorted voice changer stuff and asking 'Fight me, fight me alone, coward, follow me and fight me!'. Nothing interesting at all, they just wanted to get me into a lone fight to kill me which is really really sad because that round i was on FoB duty and we didnt kill any xenos so far, so i wasn't "honourable" prey. I am though not giving up hope and desperately pray for some Preds to try to RP with marines, not just emote spam all the fucking time because they're 'Unga Honour code, shoot me so i can keel u, come on im spooky man dont you feel threatened?'. A new idea is maybe they could displace Marine barricades to spook them without instantly making themselves seen, making them know something is there but not instantly a screecher invisible Alien.

[AmazinglyAmazing]

A couple months ago maybe, I saw predators kidnap a couple of marines and have them fight to the death on the Pred ship.

Yeah, I'd say roughly a month ago I had this happen to me and another marine, though the fight was short due to us both being in gladiator armor. One swipe and I ended up putting the marine in crit, finished him off, and essentially went mad for a while. Fun times.

But it really is a shame that Preds are limited now. As many have said already, perhaps the rules n' such could use some love and updating, possibly improving Preds and their overall interactions they can do with everyone else? I myself wouldn't be a good representation to lead this idea, noting my lack of knowledge of Predators, not being well known in the community, and that I don't have the skills and understanding to say what needs to change. Hopefully in the future a change does happen, as I have had some pretty cool interactions with Predators, only to be ruined several minutes later.

[Rohesie]

As a support-focused player in general I have very little interest in the average predator, though I've seen more interesting ones from time to time.

The spooky part is nice, few people RP fear around here, and it's an element I enjoy. My char will in general be unsettled by that kind of RP, though as a player I'm always wary of taking the RP a bit further. Mainly because I know that it will necessarily have to end in combat, and that's not what gives me a kick in the game. If I give preds too much attention I'll get singled out and forced to fight, either under their rules or as dishonorable prey. An unlike xenos, who can infect me and let me continue playing as one of them, it's GG no re after a little confrontation that added very little to me.

There are good RP preds out there, like SailorDave and others (I haven't yet memorized which is which), but sadly that dynamic is not what I'm after.

As a SL I've had other encounters with preds, trying to communicate with them to get information on what happened in the colony. One was even a religious preacher of sorts, which really piqued my curiosity. Problem is, we could not understand them, so they ended up leaving eventually without conveying their message, and it was a bit of wasted time. A real shame, there was potential there.

Then, there's bad preds. The ones that are out there to bait valids. They'll circle around lone Young Ravagers (or other young T3 castes) provoking them, breaking weeds they are resting under, and trying to goad them into a fight. Which, by the difference in power, will be incredibly one-sided. These fit completely in the lore and purpose of the role, but, you know, personally not my cup of tea. My take as a xeno is to simply ignore them unless ordered otherwise by the queen.

[Lyiat]

Sadly I can't reapply for another two months, but this thread has me thinking of ways to spice up Pred roleplay. I see what people are saying, it's a concerning state to be in. Predators are powerful, but at the same time more fragile than you'd think. Not to mention anyone who finally gets to play one probably isn't too eager to anciently lose it to a silly mistake.

I'll come back to this thread later, when I've had some more time to think about it.