Player Report: Zathar-Veraz, X31stOverlord

[Sancronis]

Your Byond Key: Sancronis

Your Character Name: Layla O'Braenain

Accused Byond Key(if known): X31stOverlord

Character Name: Zathar-Veraz

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 0700 CT 19/5/2018

What rule(s) were broken: Follow the Predator Code of Honour

Description of the incident: After being infected, I was walking back to the shuttle to go up for surgery when X31stOverlord opened fire, whilst cloaked, with a taser. I had not engaged or provoked them in any way whatsoever and was disabled without cause. After this, I was dragged for a long period of time before being dumped in a cell the pred had built, next to another marine. They followed by stripping me and putting me in a gladiator's armour just before the round ended.
Although a predator can cloak attack to disable or avoid dishonourable prey, they can't do to attack honourable prey. As I was captured with the intent of being thrown into a fight, I believe that I would be considered worthy prey and thus a cloak attack was wrong.

A note from Zathar's app: "...does this mean I will go around robusting marines and xenos alike with impunity? No. Zathar will choose his prey based on their strength...". I believe that a lone marine, despite not being visibly infected, would had not really been worthy prey for Zathar if they're supposedly selected on strength.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

The attack

X31stOverlord's defence and also statement confirming the arena. I disagree with the idea that capturing someone to fight doesn't make them prey, but that's for you to decide/

How you would punish the accused:
If I've understood correctly and this was indeed an offense, I would prefer them either warned or punished in accordance with the rules depending on whether or not they apologise. If the application of the code is loose and it was acceptable for them to attack me whilst cloaked with intent to have me killed, then I would reluctantly withdraw the complaint.

[x31stOverlord]

A very well detailed Report. Yes, it is true I captured you for the intent of forcing a fight between you and another marine.

In my mind the predator code of honour applies to targets actively being hunted. If I had the intention of killing you then and there I would have uncloaked and used my sword or scimitars. But I was getting a little bored of that particular method of hunting. Instead, I decide to generate some more RP, by capturing you and another marine and try to force you to fight each other, the victor would then have been bestowed a reward and taken back to the lines.

The reason I stripped you of your weapons and radio was to ensure that you did not simply try to call for aid and or attack me at the first opportunity, I took every care to ensure that you were both in pristine health to make the fight a more even matter. As for being infected, I did not know, we cannot see if a marine is infected or not. I simply chose you because you were from the same squad as the initial captive to try and drive a more dire situation from squad mates being forced into a fight against another squad mate.

As such, I shall leave this matter for investigation and should it be made evident that I broke code or rulings, I will apologise wholeheartedly and accept whatever manner of suspension/removal of the whitelist as they see fit. I was merely trying to add a bit of life to the round rather than just butchering marines/xenos.

[Twizz]

I was a witness of this, I was currently a ghost at the time it occurred and agree with Layla.
In my personal opinion this is one of those scenarios where a gap in the rules is taken advantage of, even though both of the captured marines should've still been honourable because you did 'duel' the winner of the fight after saying something along the lines (roughly translated from Yautja speech): 'Not as honourable fight'. The overall situation was kindof messed up because the other player / gladiator was just messing about, running about wildly, taking advantage of the not-bolted windows which he could go through and overall behaving like a baldie. Even then they went out the dome and you chased them with the tazer like a MP a Marine. Not really much RP was coming from the Predator either, he merely stripped them, equipped them with the gear and then when everything was basically setup you threw the swords in the arena silently and dragged them into the fighting area. Not a single word came from the pred untill one of the duelants was killed. As member of staff you should've realised that with the behaviour of the 2nd gladiator this idea was going nowhere. Thats all I have to say.

[Sancronis]

A very well detailed Report. Yes, it is true I captured you for the intent of forcing a fight between you and another marine.

In my mind the predator code of honour applies to targets actively being hunted. If I had the intention of killing you then and there I would have uncloaked and used my sword or scimitars. But I was getting a little bored of that particular method of hunting. Instead, I decide to generate some more RP, by capturing you and another marine and try to force you to fight each other, the victor would then have been bestowed a reward and taken back to the lines.

The reason I stripped you of your weapons and radio was to ensure that you did not simply try to call for aid and or attack me at the first opportunity, I took every care to ensure that you were both in pristine health to make the fight a more even matter. As for being infected, I did not know, we cannot see if a marine is infected or not. I simply chose you because you were from the same squad as the initial captive to try and drive a more dire situation from squad mates being forced into a fight against another squad mate.

As such, I shall leave this matter for investigation and should it be made evident that I broke code or rulings, I will apologise wholeheartedly and accept whatever manner of suspension/removal of the whitelist as they see fit. I was merely trying to add a bit of life to the round rather than just butchering marines/xenos.

Whilst capturing marines and forcing them to fight has very real potential to be enjoyable, my issue was with how you decided to go about capturing me, shooting me whilst cloaked and grabbing me without the chance to resist.

[Karmac]

If you had bothered checking the honour code instead of deciding your gut feeling was enough of a reason to report this guy, you would know there is no violation here, no part breaks the honour code as it refers mainly to the act of hunting and killing. In other words, capturing people and the use of non-lethal force is not ordained because it's not an issue.

[NGGJamie]

For the purposes described here, what the Predator did was within the honor code, even if it wasn't ideal. In the case described, you were being kidnapped, not hunted. Therefore, things are a bit less tight on how and what pieces of equipment may be used.

[x31stOverlord]

I will make an apology here for the affected player. Given how the situation played out and how it affected you regardless of how close to round end it was.

As it was I had exhausted my stun prod on the first captive and was unable to use that on you. My plasmacaster may have been used on stun but from testing in rounds since the plasmacaster would not have stunned for long enough to apply the cuffs effectively.

It was an unfortunate situation that you were dragged into and can sympathise with your frustration on how it played out. I have certainly changed my outlook on potential methods of capture if I decide to ever try this again and will hope fully not take away from your enjoyment of future rounds. I am sorry for any frustration I caused and if I took enjoyment out of the round for you. I am not one to try to be a dick to others and I was trying something that is not commonly seen or experienced nowadays.

[Emeraldblood]

Right, so x31stOverlord didn't break directly break any of the Predator rules. He also came out and apologized under his own decision-making. While this isn't something we'd promote over the long term, he isn't going to be punished for any of his actions in this case. Resolved - Player did not directly break any Predator rules.