Devouring: Why is it ok?

[caleeb101]

FIRST THINGS FIRST: I am completely fine with devouring a host to transport it from one place to another easier. A very necessary thing in order to gather more hosts to grow the hive. I understand why they need devour even though it doesn't actually exist in the lore.

However, this doesn't mean abusing devour (or as I've been told "voring") should be allowed. If the Senior Dev has labelled it as a bug that hosts devoured inside the xenomorph cannot struggle, then SURELY it should be bug abuse if someone abuses devour. This is especially annoying now that devour doesn't do any damage to any host you have devoured. No oxy damage, no acid damage. So the whoever has been devoured deadass has to sit there, possibly at full health because they can't break out of it. Until the game decides "you've suffered enough" and automatically ghosts you.

This becomes a FAT issue when you involve Warriors because you can't escape their grip and when they grab you they make you drop your weapon. So no chance of being devoured with a knife or something else in hand.

TLDR: If devouring is currently bugged, then surely using devour to remove players from the round should be bug abuse..?

Thoughts?

[Gnorse]

This is especially bad when xenos abuse devour to take B18s and others with tough armor out of the round.

[Troika]

Devour is pretty much neccesary for xenos to actually be able to transport people back without it being an epic pain in the ass. If they are devouring people to kill them then ahelp it.

[Gnorse]

Devour is pretty much neccesary for xenos to actually be able to transport people back without it being an epic pain in the ass. If they are devouring people to kill them then ahelp it.

see, I'm okay with them being able to do that on marines who are in too much pain to fight back.
but a fully healthy human ? hell no. No way.

[BadApple]

Devour is pretty much neccesary for xenos to actually be able to transport people back without it being an epic pain in the ass. If they are devouring people to kill them then ahelp it.

If they get hugged when you grab them on the front lines its a fair bit easier, but will still take alot of time, and you gotta have a drone or carrier (don't see enough carriers these days)

[caleeb101]

Devour is pretty much neccesary for xenos to actually be able to transport people back without it being an epic pain in the ass. If they are devouring people to kill them then ahelp it.

This is what this post is talking about. Admins don't punish the xenos for devouring people to permanently remove them from the round because it's not against the rules. Not their fault, but I'm saying why isn't it against the rules. It's a bug, so abusing it should be bug abuse. What sets this "bug" apart from others is that it has been in the game for ages now too.

[kroack]

Which would cause less salt:

Devouring as it is now.

Or all xenos having a warrior style neck grab AND moving at close to full speed with that grab?

That's the only mechanic I see replacing devour so that you can actually capture some hosts without it being a gigantic pain in the ass.

I think devour is dumb all around, but I see it as the best alternative.

[xXen0zS1ay3rXx]

Sounds like someone needs to remember their knife!

[Gray]

You can't do anything inside a xeno, not even pull out a knife.

[Casany]

Which would cause less salt:

Devouring as it is now.

Or all xenos having a warrior style neck grab AND moving at close to full speed with that grab?

That's the only mechanic I see replacing devour so that you can actually capture some hosts without it being a gigantic pain in the ass.

I think devour is dumb all around, but I see it as the best alternative.

OP “I’m totally fine with devouring for transporting hosts, it’s needed to do that”
Posters “YOU CANT REMOVE DEVOURING REEEEEE”

No one is calling or devouring to be removed, people just don’t like their actions being completely taken away and being forced to sit in a xeno with no option to do anything at 100 health, and being taken out of the round. Like how people don’t like the warrior grab because it totally takes you out of the round at 100% wothout you being able to do anything.

[Luftkommando]

Maybe just make it so there's certain states that can let someone be devoured. Either they've been crabbed and are impregnated or they're below a health threshold, possibly when they're in pain-crit [I don't know if pain-crit drops a flag so the former two are probably more realistic than the latter]. That removes the salt about 100 health people getting vored while still letting Xenos transport hosts faster than dragging, and if someone is above that health threshold, just have a small prompt for the devouring Xeno going 'This host is too strong to devour. Weaken it first.' or something to that effect.

[kroack]

OP “I’m totally fine with devouring for transporting hosts, it’s needed to do that”
Posters “YOU CANT REMOVE DEVOURING REEEEEE”

No one is calling or devouring to be removed, people just don’t like their actions being completely taken away and being forced to sit in a xeno with no option to do anything at 100 health, and being taken out of the round. Like how people don’t like the warrior grab because it totally takes you out of the round at 100% wothout you being able to do anything.

Was reverse bursting removed? I see a lot of stomach rumbling spam but not much reverse bursting. I remember all you needed was a knife and then to move around inside a xeno.

[Butlerblock]

Too be fair if you manage to get devoured, 95% of the time the time taken to devour you could easily be put into killing you and then moving your body a good 10 tiles and you’ll never be found again.

[Casany]

Was reverse bursting removed? I see a lot of stomach rumbling spam but not much reverse bursting. I remember all you needed was a knife and then to move around inside a xeno.

If your tackled or stunned somehow when devoured (I.E. any time your devoured) the stun lasts until you are vomited out by the alien. Which they don’t have to do, so basically reverse bursting was removed and has yet to be fixed

[Steelpoint]

I remember back when Devouring Humans was only done when they were infected and unconscious, or for small furry hosts.

It was the sign of a bad xeno to devour a conscious and non-wounded Marine. Seeing a high rank Queen devour a Marine on the frontline only to explode from the inside half a minute later when a Marine with a knife bursts out was always a nice sight.

[Build_R_]

Maybe just make it so there's certain states that can let someone be devoured. Either they've been crabbed and are impregnated or they're below a health threshold, possibly when they're in pain-crit [I don't know if pain-crit drops a flag so the former two are probably more realistic than the latter]. That removes the salt about 100 health people getting vored while still letting Xenos transport hosts faster than dragging, and if someone is above that health threshold, just have a small prompt for the devouring Xeno going 'This host is too strong to devour. Weaken it first.' or something to that effect.

That sounds like a good idea to me, it's more believable than a xeno devouring a full health grenadier spec and the spec not being able to do anything about it. An indicator for when to devour would be helpful too in that instance since a lot of time would be wasted going from host to host attempting to devour and failing.

[caleeb101]

Too be fair if you manage to get devoured, 95% of the time the time taken to devour you could easily be put into killing you and then moving your body a good 10 tiles and you’ll never be found again.

Still doesn't make it ok in my opinion.

[solidfury7]

I'll see if I can get a developer to comment on this thread regarding if it is infact a bug or a feature.

I can honestly say that it's unlikely to be a moderated bug, simply because how impractical it would be to monitor paincrit and individual cases.

[Heckenshutze]

Devour is bugged to the point if you pull back the marine, after the timer ends, the marine teleports inside the xeno.

Also, people forgot or are too new to remember that since always you could reverse burst out of a xeno with ANY tool you had with you by that moment? I think people hasn't made enough noise to get it fixed already.

[Gnorse]

Agreed.
If xenos devour a fully healthy marine who has a knife/machete or better yet, a buckshot shotgun, they should be fully ready to face the consequences.

[MattAtlas]

Fixing the devour bugs is all that's needed tbh. As someone who has killed tons of people with devour, it's definitely really strong.

But it's only strong against shit like B18 or pyros. I don't see how devouring your standard PFC is any different from killing them and dragging them off to buttfuck nowhere. Except that's probably faster.

[WinterClould]

My biggest problem with devouring is the while vore fetish bullshit. Can't we replace it with an identical feature that works exactly the same but instead of the xeno eating you it's just holding you real tight? From there we could go about fixing the bullshit bugs and all, but really I just want the fetish gone.

[BillyBoBBizWorth]

Not sure whats going on with devour.Some others might remember this round from just yesterday.Where a warrior devoured me when i was in pain crit for a long time even before devoured, and i didnt dissolve.He was running around with me inside, fighting marines, resting, fighting the UPP and everything else.I was alive inside this warrior up until the very end of the round, where he released me and then the round ended after he ripped my head off.

I thought your meant to dissolve after a certain amount of time, like 3-5 minutes or so? I was in that warrior easily for 5-15 minutes.

[DefinitelyAlone0309]

Not sure whats going on with devour.Some others might remember this round from just yesterday.Where a warrior devoured me when i was in pain crit for a long time even before devoured, and i didnt even dissolve.He was running around with me inside, fighting marines, resting, fighting the UPP and everything else.I was alive inside this warrior up until the very end of the round, where he released me and then the round ended after he ripped my head off.

I thought your meant to dissolve after a certain amount of time, like 3-5 minutes or so? I was in that warrior easily for 5-15 minutes.

As OP and other people have stated, devour is bugged where it doesn't do any damage to you right now, so you're basically stuck in this stomach void until they spit you out to kill/infect.

[spookydonut]

Working as intended.

The people complaining about it being vore are the ones with the fetish.