Improper act as commander

[Lucius Jones]

Your Byond Key: Lucifers Son

Your Character Name: Zephos 'Turret' Bunker

Accused Byond Key(if known): SolidFury7

Character Name: William Crimson

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): the round at 1PM UK time.

What rule(s) were broken: Not rules really, mostly related to RP and as they where commander I presumed they're held to a higher RP demand, of which they didn't even try to do. They also broke marine law, quite a bit.

Description of the incident: Me and my survivor friend who survived the planet and went up on the ship, un accompanied by marines. We where playing on the fact of being distrstful of authority, suspecting the marines where fake etc. for some good Arpeee. We where going to go up, take a hostage to see if we could meet the WY representative to ascertain the marines are actually marines.
We joked with eachother the entire time on the ship, seeing WY everywhere etc. Saying they're 'REALLY GOOD AT FORGING STUFF' and 'DAMN THIS UPP COMMIES KNOW HOW TO STEAL THE BEST STUFF' when we found some ciggs.
Keep in mind the most hostile thing we planned to do at all was, highest, take a hostage to fulfill our demands. I don't like just ganking people out of a round early ish on. The last one was just 5 hours long and I wanted to shake things up a bit.
So, we arrived on ship, and started making our way to get some blackmail or something. Steathily moved around maint, and broke into the commanders mess where his personal computer had zilch except some haiwaain pizza stuff.
Then officers quarters, where we found a command radio.
We where then making our way towards the bridge to state our demands from a position of surprise or get a hostage, when an MP wandered up behind us in maint. We shouted 'DON'T MOVE' and targetted him. He said stuff in agreement, we said to throw us his comm etc.
He then proceeded to run, where in deadchat later on told me he wanted to 'take the shot on his armour and get away' We didn't want to murder him at all, just use him as bait or leverage.
Little did he know, we packed Incin rounds. The only shot he took was one to the head and he then ran through maint, alerting command, and dying. Only 1 shot, we didn't shoot him anymore and professed our apologies.
Well then command heard dying man pleas, we grabbed his body to be defibbed and set out to either take a hostage and escape, or if that failed surrender. We broke into the commanders quarters or something like it again, and the commander walked in.
we shouted 'DON'T MOVE' and he said nothing, AMPLE opportunity to shoot him he stood there for like 5 seconds and we didn't, he then ran away. Adam ran out to try and get the CO, since he would be GREAT leverage while I was climbing through a window
we've fired no shots so far other than 1 from the targeting that we didn't intend anyway if the MP followed our commands.
He walks out, and is shot to death. He was stunned on the first shot, no idea what it was but the CO literally just murdered him. Not even into critical, he couldn't MOVE after the first shot, only to death.
I saw this, still not having fired even down the corridor, and ran back into the room with the dead MP trying to escape from the brutal murderes.
I don't even get to the window, I scream 'I DIDN'T WANT THIS' trying to surrender, no weapon, and was shot to death. No talking at all, even when I literally surrendered and had no weapon. Shot to death.
got revived, broke tons of marine laws in regards to handling, searching prisoners and providing medical attention etc.
Got brought brack to brig, went into critical because they didn't want to let them do surgery on me, got brought back. Aliens arrived, doctor tried to free me then I bought time for the doctor to run while I fist fought the aliens and died.
A worthy second death! Better than fire-ing squad.
Yea, main thing here is, other than the profuse breaking of marine law, I thought commanders where supposed to encourage RP? Even after I got revived, I profused manslaughter chargers, which isn't a death sentence at ALL, with the MP we accidentially murdered being revived and admitting they moved first and got shot.
Still, he announced he intended to execute me over the comms via fireing squad. So atleast that marine law was followed, even if the only charge I currently had was manslaughter they just said I had a murder charge with no trial or anything, not that I expected it but I did not admit to it at all and wasn't allowed to fight the charge.


Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): no screenshots this was a really extended thing and I don't ever take any, or know how. No idea how to get logs either.

How you would punish the accused: nothing serious just a warning and since I've got no idea if they've got a history as a rocky commander, thought I'd raise the point. As ruining of a good possible RP moment, that I thought commanders where supposed to encourage not literally murder in cold blood.
Barring that it's an interesting read none the less

[Imperator_Titan]

You're complaining that he shot you to death when you tried to take the commander who has the right to BE people, as a hostage? Breaking marine law is an IC issue and being HRP 100% of the time is not a requirement, we're a MRP server.

Come on.

[solidfury7]

You were armed civilians/terrorists who killed my only MP onboard.

I ran after you lowered your weapons at me, I wasn't going to surrender to you as you already murdered one of the MPs and Crimson would rather be killed than captured and used to gain control of the ship.

Your friend was shot after chasing me to the CIC, you were shot after firing a slug through the doorway.

You bled out while I was ordering doctors and my SOs to the CLs office.

None came so I saw to it that you were revived to stand trial for your crimes. I then personally took you to the brig to be processed by the only MP who was left ( the one you killed)

COs don't have to follow marine law and arresting procedure. I'm not an MP. You were simply in my custody until I had an mp present.

I did plan a trial but we were in lowpop so we didn't have the manpower to do so. Not to mention we had your statement, and the witness to the murder, and the victim.

Does it suck that your situation didn't go the perfect ideal high rp route? Sure, I agree. However, your actions pretty much took the whole CIC team out of the CIC, you already fucked up the marines evacuation by this attempted assassination for a rather dumb low rp reason.

(Why would you think a whole fullymanned USMC vessel is full of communists beats me)

I dealt with the situation extremely leniently, considering the rather low rp reason you chose to try hijack a full operation of 130ish people.

I'll probably post once I get back home and I'm not on my mobile.

[Lucius Jones]

no reason to reply with such vitriol, I just thought it was a funny story in general and was just making sure this wasn't a recurring issue, as I obviously have no contact with notes.
(Why would you think a whole fullymanned USMC vessel is full of communists beats me)
we didn't, our Characters did. Literally just for RP and comedy, we made constant jokes to it to marines and inbetween ourselves because it WAS such a dumb reason, but we where RP'ing as colony hicks who misstrusted the goverment, barely spoke, and mostly replied with Mmk.
I've got nothing against yah, you handled it 100X better than I would in the situation, seems I have an incorrect view of what the server considers.

and,'Extremly Leniently? You murdered both of us? I don't really see leniency there

COs don't have to follow marine law and arresting procedure. I'm not an MP. You were simply in my custody until I had an mp present.

Very true, however you didn't simply 'contain' me you stripped me, took my communicator away, and later on publically exclaimed my execution by fireing squad. On manslaughter charges.
Even though you dragged me to medbay to have me defibbed? It just doesn't really make sense, if you wanted me dead you coulda just kept me dead instead of wasting medical supplies and doctor attention on me.
As well as, we had 0 intention of killing anyone or disrupting the round so much, we just wanted to RP with other marines etc. A little perhaps, but we didn't force you to call a code red and everyone out of the woodworks to apprehend us.

[Sir Lordington]

So you shot an MP, tried to take hostages and were clearly looking to cause serious trouble. You were literally the definition of a hostile so killing you is in no way Low RP. What do you think would happen if you went around a military base armed after killing a member of the base?

Not to mention your IC reason for doing what you did is really poor.

[solidfury7]

no reason to reply with such vitriol, I just thought it was a funny story in general and was just making sure this wasn't a recurring issue, as I obviously have no contact with notes.
(Why would you think a whole fullymanned USMC vessel is full of communists beats me)
we didn't, our Characters did. Literally just for RP and comedy, we made constant jokes to it to marines and inbetween ourselves because it WAS such a dumb reason, but we where RP'ing as colony hicks who misstrusted the goverment, barely spoke, and mostly replied with Mmk.
I've got nothing against yah, you handled it 100X better than I would in the situation, seems I have an incorrect view of what the server considers.

and,'Extremly Leniently? You murdered both of us? I don't really see leniency there

COs don't have to follow marine law and arresting procedure. I'm not an MP. You were simply in my custody until I had an mp present.

Very true, however you didn't simply 'contain' me you stripped me, took my communicator away, and later on publically exclaimed my execution by fireing squad. On manslaughter charges.
Even though you dragged me to medbay to have me defibbed? It just doesn't really make sense, if you wanted me dead you coulda just kept me dead instead of wasting medical supplies and doctor attention on me.
As well as, we had 0 intention of killing anyone or disrupting the round so much, we just wanted to RP with other marines etc. A little perhaps, but we didn't force you to call a code red and everyone out of the woodworks to apprehend us.

There is no malice here, I just prefer to speak plainly.

You weren't on manslaughter charges, you were on murder, theft, trespass, damaging government property, and a handful of other charges. You were going to end up in perma or executed no matter what.

Your radio was taken away as you told everyone I was torturing you over comms, which was false.

William Crimson doesn't like to break procedure, so you were revived, treated and you were dealt with by the Military Police.

You may claim "We didn't force you to call code red ect ect" but you killed the ONLY MP who was screaming over comms prior to their death. So yes, you did.

I didn't murder you both, you were simply hostile combatants. Murder implies it was unlawful and with premeditated. You simply force our hand, acting as hostiles on a military vessel and were dispatched as such.

[Avalanchee]

I met Zephos that round and I want to leave this here,

3 marines died in medbay lobby because the only free
doctor was working on you - on a hostile combatant that assaulted a MP. I then confronted you and told other docs to prioritize on dying marines instead of you and you went full retard and told me that I am a "lowrp shitler for not following the Geneva convention" and that getting a player report for "being hostile towards an innocent civilian" in dchat.
Almayer crew really disliked you and those 3 marines that died in medbay lobby too.

I don't see an issue with this and Crimson did everything correctly

[Mvp777]

You murdered an MP. And then attempted to take the CO of the ship hostage, and you're surprised the commander used his right to BE to kill both of you?

Solid would've been within his right to throw both of your bodies in the morgue instead of reviving you at all.

[Emeraldblood]

A reminder that Survivors generally shouldn't be going hostile once on the ship, as it can land you in some hot water in some cases. That said, no one seems to have had a problem with it so it was fine in this case. Regarding the CO, you're armed, threatening the CO's life, and already killed an MP (even if not intentional). In no world would you be considered friendly units on that ship. You take responsibility for the actions you took and if you die, then so that's the risk you run playing that game. Not everyone is going to RP in the exact way you want/expect.

Resolved - No rules were broken.