Player Report - Aestel Rose Wellick

[awan]

Your Byond Key:Awan

Your Character Name:Awan Oostveen

Accused Byond Key(if known): Aestell
(nantei, ghost120, symbiosis.)

Character Name: Aestel Rose Wellick

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 18:30 and before.

What rule(s) were broken:
Roleplay
The Commander is held to a higher standard. (And this includes rp.)


Description of the incident:
The commander decided to make it casual friday and walk around in pajama's. This on its own I already consider low rp and at first I told them they would get an njp for hooliganism. (This was ahelped.) They did not comply so I wanted to arrest. I got asked by the xo/cl/so (one of them) if I would let them do briefing first. I did let them do briefing and after that arrested them. Their records were updated. The pajama was used to commit a crime and with all such items was going to be confiscated. I ordered an mp to get the commander a proper outfit. After this the commander decided to state that whoever touched their pajama's was going to be spaced. This is at least assault and I ordered my mp to arrest them for this. It seems that the timer expired and this was not actualy done. The commander got their hands on their id and a telebaton and used it to attack an mp (rex texas). And flee with the access they have to lock themselves in cic. I had already faxed central command twice about the CO and did the third one requesting their demotion. Central command obliged and granted permission for the demotion. The commander was openly hostile back and after I stated I had a message from high command that they were informed by high command that they were to stand down. They still tried to rally the marines against me when they had a reply from high command. That makes it a mutiny. (That was not ahelped about.)

The three last people in the report are the ones who attaked me activly after high command made an announcement the CO was to stand down. Thus activly being in a mutiny.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): The logs I have saved are only from the last interactions as I had a dc. They contain msay and ahelps so I cannot post them here. It does show the end who was activly part of the mutiny.

How you would punish the accused: A hefty warning for the CO. And additional warning for the 3 active mutineers.

[Symbiosis]

You started flashing me during a Delta Level boarding event while the Dropship was flying right at us and we were told to go to go the CIC. You were flashing a lot of random people. I followed escalation rules by punching you unconscious along with about half a dozen or more people. It is NOT a mutiny, you aren't the XO, so you aren't in Command. Xenos were outside the CIC and you're trying to arrest someone. If it wasn't against the server rules you probably would've been shot.

We weren't mutinying, we beat your ass for flashing us randomly during a boarding event.

I even put you in a stasis bag and attempted to treat you.

[Bancrose]

Awan I was the marine next to the CO when you flashed me. Xenos were literally outside the CIC killing marines and you were arresting the CO. ICly if this was the real Corps. Most marines would probably killed you for it. But this is a game so its not as realistic.

Now after High Command ordered you to do it. You flashed all of us in the CIC making a ruckus around everywhere, What if you flashed a marine who was near the door and he got dragged off. Your actions just killed that man. Also how do we mutiny if its not against the CO. I think you mislabeled that.

Now I can understand that the announcement might have been lowrp. But like we are issued those Pajamas in our room so I'm quite certain it would be fine for us to wear it as its with our other uniform. So she was wearing her shoes, and her issued Pajamas. I fail to see the issue here Awan. Also no airlocks out of the ship so not possible to even carry through with spacing anyone.

[awan]

1. My logs do not show me flashing you. (I know this because I flashed the commander and the people who followed me and the commander.) (Counts for bancrose aswell).
https://gyazo.com/babb91ae640c36a5098dbe2acc4d08c7
https://gyazo.com/dd04ae4b1ccbf4e9fdcf674d972767e8
https://gyazo.com/f21835b6a665f61535321256a2953f33
https://gyazo.com/74b5d9aa2639990c1b2f3ffe5ee80211
https://gyazo.com/d7a760a8171d7c03f039c747d5875937
Ill put the entire log up where an admin can confirm this is the log from after my dc.
2. You may not have know who was right in this case but you did pick a side and go in non lethaly yes. A cmp doing his duty would outrank anyone on the ship if the cmp deems the commander dangerous enough to be arrested during a delta alert they might have a good reason for it.
3. mutiny does not list the commander it means the chain of command. So going against anyone to try and overthrow them is a mutiny. Even the CMP, RO, PO or whatever.
And the smart move was to stay out of it imo.
4. I cannot confirm if you treated me or not because I do not know who did. If you did then kudo's.

[Clutch]

i wasnt there for most of it but i did see you running into the brig with your flash out whilst xenos were seconds away from crashing on the ship, then when they crashed you continued to try and arrest the CO which resulted in you getting your ass swoopedy wooped.

this report is silly you should re-evaluate yourself on playing CMP

[Symbiosis]

1. My logs do not show me flashing you. (I know this because I flashed the commander and the people who followed me and the commander.) (Counts for bancrose aswell).
https://gyazo.com/babb91ae640c36a5098dbe2acc4d08c7
https://gyazo.com/dd04ae4b1ccbf4e9fdcf674d972767e8
https://gyazo.com/f21835b6a665f61535321256a2953f33
https://gyazo.com/74b5d9aa2639990c1b2f3ffe5ee80211
https://gyazo.com/d7a760a8171d7c03f039c747d5875937
Ill put the entire log up where an admin can confirm this is the log from after my dc.
2. You may not have know who was right in this case but you did pick a side and go in non lethaly yes. A cmp doing his duty would outrank anyone on the ship if the cmp deems the commander dangerous enough to be arrested during a delta alert they might have a good reason for it.
3. mutiny does not list the commander it means the chain of command. So going against anyone to try and overthrow them is a mutiny. Even the CMP, RO, PO or whatever.
And the smart move was to stay out of it imo.
4. I cannot confirm if you treated me or not because I do not know who did. If you did then kudo's.

1. You flashed me. Or someone did. I was unblinded and saw you flashing other random people. I was then flashed again near you. I don't get a message of who is flashing you, but the only person that got beat up was you. The flashing stopped.
2. I did pick a side. I'd kick your ass again under the same situation a hundred times over. Xenos are knocking on our door and some goofball is trying to get his arrest-boner.
3. In that case, punching anyone is mutiny. Your logic is flawed and I hope you don't enforce such broken logic. wiki/Rank - Here is your rank listing, oh, look, PFC Unga is on the chain of command. MUTINY!
4. I treated you. Thank you for the kudos, I was only going to keep you alive, not awake.

[Bancrose]

1. My logs do not show me flashing you. (I know this because I flashed the commander and the people who followed me and the commander.) (Counts for bancrose aswell).
https://gyazo.com/babb91ae640c36a5098dbe2acc4d08c7
https://gyazo.com/dd04ae4b1ccbf4e9fdcf674d972767e8
https://gyazo.com/f21835b6a665f61535321256a2953f33
https://gyazo.com/74b5d9aa2639990c1b2f3ffe5ee80211
https://gyazo.com/d7a760a8171d7c03f039c747d5875937
Ill put the entire log up where an admin can confirm this is the log from after my dc.
2. You may not have know who was right in this case but you did pick a side and go in non lethaly yes. A cmp doing his duty would outrank anyone on the ship if the cmp deems the commander dangerous enough to be arrested during a delta alert they might have a good reason for it.
3. mutiny does not list the commander it means the chain of command. So going against anyone to try and overthrow them is a mutiny. Even the CMP, RO, PO or whatever.
And the smart move was to stay out of it imo.
4. I cannot confirm if you treated me or not because I do not know who did. If you did then kudo's.

I don't have lightning reflexes to screenshot getting flashed but I most certainly did see white for a solid 5 seconds, So maybe you didn't intend to flash me which I can understand But there was a rav and crusher right at the door killing marines AS this was happening. Now I am not sure your wording on point 3 Awan. Alot of staff have told me that you can't mutiny the MP's. I can't quite understand. That means every person that ever said fuck you RO and tries to unga for attachments would be mutiny but nobody has ever said that to my knowledge.

[ghost120]

Okay, so here's why i joined this "party".

Xenos hijacked Alamo so i went to CIC and suddenly, in the middle of the crowd someone activated flash. A while after I notice Awan held flash in his hand. I wasn't aware of all the situation that went on, but if someone flashes people in CIC few times, when things are about to get messy, don't be surprised for getting lynched. I joined the others when you took out your stun baton, taking out stun baton in that situation isn't a good sign either, is it?. In addition we were punching you instead of using lethal weapons, yes, we messed you pretty badly, but a moment later, Chubs put you into stasis and tried to treat you.

[Symbiosis]

Sounds like everyone NEAR you gets flashed when you click it. That's why you got your ass beat by SO MANY PEOPLE. You blinded SO many people.

That explains a bit more of why you got everyone so mad so quick. Kicked the hornets nest.

[awan]

For reference I am going to add some things I know as fact.
My gear got raided during my dc.
I do carry more then once flash and alternative flashes are possible. (Aim penlight or flashlight at eyes and click someone.)
More often then not to many players try to interfere with (Legitimate) duties of the mp's by actively going against them.
You all say you did get flashed but my logs shows me flashing none of you. It could in theory have been anyone who took a flash from my mp gear.
Or some people use it as an excuse to hide behind/justify their actions when they know they are in the wrong.
I have asked kavlo to confirm this but any mod who wants to can pm me and see.

[Asmodius]

You do have a record of performing such feats in situations such as this. Once when I was the CMO and I was wanted for quite a while for disrespecting the CMP while a civilian role you wanted me for disrespect for quite a while. Xenos were literally clawing, beating on the walls of the CIC while you attempted to flash/stun-baton me to handcuff me in the MIDDLE of the invasion, not prior. I chloral'ed you and cable-cuffed you and asked you to calm down. I uncuffed and shook you until the chloral cleared your system and the round continued. You have a nasty knack for trying to enforce the law in bad situations.

There may be logs of this showing who/what you flashed, but, this has been my experience.

[Sleepy Retard]

As a side note, using the flash (pressing Z) flashes everyone in the tiles around you. Perhaps this is what happened, and only MPs, CEs, CMOs, XOs, and COs can use flashes to my knowledge.

[Sir Lordington]

I was the Admin who sent the fax authorising the CO's removal, since she hit an MP with the telebaton and followed the situation all the way through from there until the CMP got beaten up.

It's a very complicated situation as you were trying to stop the CMP form relieving the Commander of duty, so you were trying to overthrow legitimate command in a way. ICly, definitely sedition but I don't know that I'd call it Mutiny OOCly, especially given the hectic situation. I think IN CONTEXT subduing or opposing the CMP was justified, killing him not so much.

I do think there was an unfortunate series of events that just fed off each other like the Aliens arriving when the CMP initiated the arrest and him disconecting a couple of times, but if one were to trace the incidents back it all seems to stem from the decision to give briefing in pajamas and then escalate and commit another crime every time the CO was arrested.

Giving briefing in pajamas is a decision that, to be frank, seems very low RP to me to and the CMP was fully right to perform the arrest for it, as were all other arrests following that. Claiming pijamas are uniform is quite frankly trying to bend the laws into a pretzel for a cheap joke. The commander's uniform is, as its name implies, the item called Commander Uniform.

[Symbiosis]

I think IN CONTEXT subduing or opposing the CMP was justified, killing him not so much./b].

We weren't killing the CMP and throwing his body out to the wolves.

He was an idiot, but he was OUR idiot. (In the USCM sense)

I threw him in a stasis bag and started treating him. He chose to not get defibbed. Not that it mattered anyways with the Xeno numbers and the quick death we faced.

[Sir Lordington]

I mean, he was punched to death, though I'm unsure if he died during treatment and you did try to defib him so I can believe it was unintended.

To clarify, from what I saw, I didn't see an issue with stopping the CMP given that there was a clear and immediate danger just outside the CIC and he incapacitated several marines. However, if he was attacked before he did so then there might be an issue there.

[awan]

It was known that the cmp was following orders given by high command.
And my opinion at least is that going against high command is a mutiny. (Sirlordington disagrees)
As I stated earlier the issue I have is mostly with the low rp from the commander.
A cl who would have attacked mp's and locked themselves in their room like this would have been hit with self antagging hard.
And the attacks on me had already started before the aliens landed.
I was out by the time the aliens came in.
So I was already being attacked once the aliens arrived.

[Aestel]

You brigged a CO during an active operation after trying in vain to get me to clean the alpha prep, which by the way is very high RP gotta degrade your superior officer, (One of the charges was threatening to space anyone who touched Jones for the record, NOT for touching the uniform, which I said I would grab myself since you took my ID). Command on the ship backed me(and continued following orders despite your protest), as I was leading the operation from my cell until I was forced to escape to call an evacuation from the planet because you had the entire command staff tied up in your bullshit to save what handful I could. Marines throughout the entire operation wanted to come back and literally put bullets into you, and I stopped them. No one was willing to take over after your report because of the ungraceful way that you handled the entire situation. You also refused to let me talk to high command, and as soon as I mentioned that you tacked on the extra 15 minutes. This has also hardly been your first rodeo where you have knowingly put yourself into a situation like this.

To make matters worse you started tossing flash bangs(yes, flash grenades) in the CIC during a delta level emergency. Marines were having none of it, and you were told multiple times to STOP until we got out of the mess. You continued flashing and were then warned to get on the ground, you still continued flashing got beat down for it, and tossed into a stasis bag from which YOU decided to not be revived. Clearly the majority did not agree with your actions, because I even said to do so non-lethally, and I personally don't blame them after the multiple warnings you were given to stand down.

Also, that telescopic baton incident was unfortunate. I figured it still was a quick stun with no damage like it does on every other server I'd ever played on.


As a side note, I do remember a time when throwing flashbangs into a defense like that was considered ban-worthy griefing. Just something to think about, and I really think that the posts that are getting removed at Awan's request are relevant as character witnesses for this report.

[awan]

You brigged a CO during an active operation after trying in vain to get me to clean the alpha prep, which by the way is very high RP gotta degrade your superior officer, (One of the charges was threatening to space anyone who touched Jones for the record, NOT for touching the uniform, which I said I would grab myself since you took my ID). Command on the ship backed me(and continued following orders despite your protest), as I was leading the operation from my cell until I was forced to escape to call an evacuation from the planet because you had the entire command staff tied up in your bullshit to save what handful I could. Marines throughout the entire operation wanted to come back and literally put bullets into you, and I stopped them. No one was willing to take over after your report because of the ungraceful way that you handled the entire situation. You also refused to let me talk to high command, and as soon as I mentioned that you tacked on the extra 15 minutes. This has also hardly been your first rodeo where you have knowingly put yourself into a situation like this.

To make matters worse you started tossing flash bangs(yes, flash grenades) in the CIC during a delta level emergency. Marines were having none of it, and you were told multiple times to STOP until we got out of the mess. You continued flashing and were then warned to get on the ground, you still continued flashing got beat down for it, and tossed into a stasis bag from which YOU decided to not be revived. Clearly the majority did not agree with your actions, because I even said to do so non-lethally, and I personally don't blame them after the multiple warnings you were given to stand down.

Also, that telescopic baton incident was unfortunate. I figured it still was a quick stun with no damage like it does on every other server I'd ever played on.


As a side note, I do remember a time when throwing flashbangs into a defense like that was considered ban-worthy griefing. Just something to think about, and I really think that the posts that are getting removed at Awan's request are relevant as character witnesses for this report.

You broke the law and it was my right to give an njp. It might have been humiliating but it was not abusive. And only abusive njp's are illegal.
Your id was in the cell locker the entire time it did not leave it.
Letting you leave without a uniform would be improper.
Does not matter if it was about jones or not it was a threat of force.
The entire command staff being tied up in your bullshit you mean.
Marines wanting to come to you means nothing.
I handled the situation according to the protocols set.
You do not have the right to talk to high command I added 15 minutes when you made the threat and told my officers so by radio.

The ce opened a way into cic for me and I had only 2 flashbangs with me. The hijack message only happened after these were used.
So not delta as you say.
You also had your mateba out during this time. This means that you are an armed fugitive.
You were inciting a mutiny against the orders done by high command and as I stated above if any cl would have attacked mp's and hid themselved in their office they would have gotten self antagging.

[Symbiosis]

There was actually five of us beating you up, by the way. More like seven I think. A few came in and left, others came in and got some blows in.

Screenshots attached as evidence.

[awan]

Yes, although I mentioned the three people who were the worst in the original post.
You did 22 actions (At least 14 hits and 3 grabs and one pill fed before I passed out)
Leon 'Ghost' Daemon did 9 hits
Phi 'Makaria' Rathens also did 3 hits 6 disarms
Tess Greed did 3 hits
Darius James did 2 hits
Heinz 'Wulfe' Meuller did one disarm
Rose is not listed but they did a lot aswell.
If you want the full list.

[Symbiosis]

Yes, although I mentioned the three people who were the worst in the original post.
You did 22 actions (At least 14 hits and 3 grabs and one pill fed before I passed out)
Leon 'Ghost' Daemon did 9 hits
Phi 'Makaria' Rathens also did 3 hits 6 disarms
Tess Greed did 3 hits
Darius James did 2 hits
Heinz 'Wulfe' Meuller did one disarm
If you want the full list.

You sure that’s it? You got up once and we had to really beat you down to make sure you stayed down. Could’ve sworn a few other people got some licks in. The CO as well, so that’s 7. Man, watching the mob beat you down, it was hard to remember how many people were kicking and jabbing you.

[Aestel]

There was actually five of us beating you up, by the way. More like seven I think. A few came in and left, others came in and got some blows in.

Screenshots attached as evidence.

As per the rules, that is a legal mutiny against your 'legitimate' command staff. Pretty sure the legal next in line was in on it too.

[awan]

Going against high command? High command is icly your command's command and legit.

[Aestel]

Going against high command? High command is icly your command's command and legit.

And we still did, and didn't get evac'd. Had we won, we would have been declared a rogue ship. You alone were the one executing that order. No one else was with you, I had a full command staff in the CIC while it was locked down, and not one decided to let you in. That is why you got your shit kicked in.

It was still RP, just happened that you were on the losing end of this one.

[awan]

And we still did, and didn't get evac'd. Had we won, we would have been declared a rogue ship. You alone were the one executing that order. No one else was with you, I had a full command staff in the CIC while it was locked down, and not one decided to let you in. That is why you got your shit kicked in.

It was still RP, just happened that you were on the losing end of this one.

Even if all the crew is against the commander without permission you cannot mutiny.
Multiple commanders have been protected by this. It does not matter how many people agree. The cl send a fax that condemed you. The Ce let me into cic. Guess what people who helped me.
You only had one or 2 so I checked in medical using the console. The XO was outside of your front door. And there was another mp for sure.