Staff Report: Unknown

[Symbiosis]

Your Byond Key: Symbiosis

Your Character Name: Cliff "Chubs" Campbell

Their Byond key: Unknown. Three Ahelps did not net an answer.

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 9:20pm

Which Staff Protocols (viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: Do not abuse your power
- This should go without saying, but abusing your power as staff can - and will - result in swift punishment.

Description of the incident: I was being arrested by the CMP (who broke protocol; cuffing without announcing charges) right before surgery. I was ahealed either while on the table or as the CMP was entering the surgery room so that they could arrest me IMMEDIATELY rather than let me be treated.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): Unfortunately I can't provide logs since it's a variables thing. Here's the attitude of your moderators, mentors, and admins mid-round. Also, the murdered CMP who was destroyed by the ENTIRE Marine Force returned as a death squad.



How you would punish the accused: Staff Removal - Especially since they refused to answer three Ahelps after committing the act. Not only was the provost called in for a disagreement with the CMP, a death squad was sent in after they used their admin powers to aheal me and I was arrested in the middle of medbay by all the Marines.

[Emeraldblood]

Right, so you're saying that because someone didn't get to an ahelp, we just need to remove people from staff? On top of this, there are no logs for ahealing during this at all. We're looking into this but this report looks like it's here for no other reason than to try to cause shit and I'm really not in the mood to deal with this.

Edit: On top of this, we have reports of you trying to cause more shit in OOC about this after the round ended/round lobby. Really not helping your case.

[Symbiosis]

Right, so you're saying that because someone didn't get to an ahelp, we just need to remove people from staff? On top of this, there are no logs for ahealing during this at all. We're looking into this but this report looks like it's here for no other reason than to try to cause shit and I'm really not in the mood to deal with this.

Edit: On top of this, we have reports of you trying to cause more shit in OOC about this after the round ended/round lobby. Really not helping your case.

I was fed an Oxy pill at 20:17:28 and I was handcuffed at 20:17:56 while awake and grabbed by Crimson. I'm not stirring up shit. Admins sending in a death squad and sending in the provost for something that isn't even a LAW break is admin abuse. I was ran over by a Crusher earlier on the planet and had 100 brute damage, broken chest, and IB.

This surgery is used for mending broken bones and fractures.

Note that a repaired bone will rebreak if your patient has more than 50 brute damage.
Incision Management System. Incision Management System OR Open the incision. (Scalpel->Hemostat->Retractor)
Repair the bone. (Bone Gel->Bone Setter) (Use the Health Analyzer to double check)
Close the incision. (Cautery)

This surgery mends the torn/ripped arteries and veins within the body to stop internal bleeding.

Incision Management System. Incision Management System OR Open the incision. (Scalpel->Hemostat->Retractor)
Open the skull or ribcage if necessary. (Bone Saw->Retractor)
Mend the artery. (Fix-o-Vein)
Close the skull or ribcage if necessary.(Retractor->Bone Gel).
Close the incision. (Cautery)

I was Ahealed.

[Symbiosis]

I'm also not sorry that I was frustrated. I was at 100%, zero brute and was NOT fed a Bicaridine pill prior to surgery. IB prevents you from healing up to full. Pull the logs that show what I was fed from the "Doctor" - I was given a 15-15 Oxy Tram and Spaceacillin before that. You don't heal to full in less than 30 seconds, either, with having IB.

The logs will clearly show the timeline.

You may not like me and the fact I'm vocal about things I disagree with, but I was ahealed.

[Rohesie]

I had the displeasure to observe as a ghost the end of this little ordeal. I saw the commander returning to medbay, strapping himself to an IV and awaiting for surgery, then the CMP coming and arresting him. He resisted and LOOCed, for he claimed to have IB. The ghost health HUD showed him at full health. This is where the claim of having been ahealed comes.

The marines don't take kindly that the commander is being arrested, someone punches and knocks down the CMP, and the CO escapes. There's a short chase in medbay and then north of it and the CMP gets punched and cut by a knife or machete. The shuttle is hijacked and while the CO escapes the grasp of the MPs the CO WO (edit: fixed typo) is decapitated.

Before that it had been as far as I know a small IC disagreement: the CO had ordered one of the two MPs to stay at FOB guarding it and when the WO woke up he disagreed, eventually considering it an unlawful order, faxing the Provost, and naturally getting a favorable answer. Perks of being a mod, I suppose, no sarcasm intended.

The bad part starts with the decapitation of the WO (some other MPs died, not sure if they were also lynched), which was frankly very excessive, and the further actions of the staff: they spawned themselves as a death squad and proceeded to kill the commander. See, this would be an iffy move if it was part of an IC event given to uninvolved players, but what personally irks me is that it was done by staff trash-talking the player in msay, and even with the moderator involved in the prior conflict. This felt much less like an IC intervention and more like admin abuse.

I'm really disappointed at this way of handling things. I've played in bad servers in where the admins would give themselves OP weapons to take vengeance of those they had had issues with, but I've honestly held CM to a higher standard so far. The trash-talking is also really disgusting. It does a poor job of showcasing the professionalism the staff CoC recommends.

We have no access to what goes in msay, but it really worries me as a player it being used in this way. I really hope the trash-talking of players here is an isolated incident, and far from the norm. It would be nice if we had some assurances.

[Sir Lordington]

Well, you certainly were not ahealed and unfortunately surgery does not leave logs so perhaps your IB was never fixed at all.

[taketheshot56]

I was a drone that round and witnessed the death squad come in. They paid little attention to the xenos maybe firing a few bursts but were REALLY gunning for cliff. After rushing the CO with their rifles and beheading them they then turned on us, for which they promptly got robusted. I just dont like how the death squad came in and immediately targeted the CO. Were strings pulled in msay to get symbiosis killed? Truth be told I dont know. But from an outside perspective it really seems the death squad was out to remove the CO from the round permanently which doesn't seem right.

[Symbiosis]

Well, you certainly were not ahealed and unfortunately surgery does not leave logs so perhaps your IB was never fixed at all.

It was fixed. I used a scanner on myself after. I was full health. This report isn't solely about the aheal, though I was ahealed - me fighting at full health and not consuming or receiving a Quickclot Pill after the fact is proof enough.

It's about whom sent the Provost in - I didn't break Marine Law, arguing with the CMP isn't against the law, and sending MP's down to the FOB after it has been built by Alpha and Bravo isn't against Marine Law either. Arresting me mid-surgery and sending in a death squad WITH THE SAME CMP WHO WAS LYNCHED BY ALL THE MARINES is also a big part of this.

The staff insults directed at players is indicative of a hostile atmosphere towards players; I surely doubt I'm the only one you don't like.

Then there's the AHeal. Which was seen by observers (me going to full 100%). Pull the logs of how quick I was on my feet and running - and if I consumed another QC Pill after the fact. Do it, please.

Oh, and pull the msay logs of how they were picking the Death Squad amongst staff to go Unga Kill me because the players for the round weren't dealing with their shenanigans. Please.

[Symbiosis]

Finally, clearly the Mods are feeding me this info on everything. There's enough people on your Mod Team/Admin team that see this as really, REALLY bad behavior and are sick of it.

Pull the logs. I was Ahealed.

I was at FULL HEALTH per the observers and was NOT FED A Bicaridine pill. Even if the surgery was done in 28 seconds (impossible) me being full health WITHOUT bicaridine is impossible, seeing as IB prevents you from fully healing.

[Bancrose]

I was a player observing as a ghost after I died. I also noticed....That the Provost Ordered Arrest was because of an Unlawful order, during a time where Xenos were about to crash into the ship.

Marines had witnessed the MP's arresting the CO before the dropship crashed to which Chubs believed he had IB and was not allowed to be treated for it. Marines than decided they would murder the CMP, Its quite similar to the Awan situation that it was reaching Code Delta pretty soon and it was a High Command Ordered arrest on the CO. Same exact thing happend, marines just beat the absolute piss out of Crimson. While by server rules and marine law he was forced to comply with it, The other MP's who were not involved in the arrest got killed as well. Which is unrelated to this report but it might speak volumes about how some players are fed up with how MP's have been lately.

I think the Deathsquad wasn't really that warranted which was the entire staff team including Crimson btw. But they did kill an MP and CMP from a High Command Ordered arrest. Similar to how the staff report on Vitorthauma went. I think a combination of things went wrong. While I was aware that Chubs wasn't ahealed but I imagined he must not have known because he thought he still had IB.

I think a few things could have been done differently. We as Commanders are not 100% what is and what isn't a lawful order by marine law. Lately I've seen MP's guarding the FOB and I was present as a marine during them as well. Nobody has touched on that yet or at least I've haven't seen anyone say anything about it. I don't really give a single fuck if anyone gets punished or not punished, As I love both Chubs and CryofWolves. So I hope nothing severe happens to them. I just hope this brings to light on a problem that needs to be addressed and sorted out.

[solidfury7]

1) You were not detained before/during surgery in the sense that you were denied medical charges. I'll just Copy and Paste what I said in the previous thread

1a)" But yeah, were unconscious when I handcuffed you, you werent awake so I waited until you woke up (And as previously stated, spoke to some marines, nearby,informing them of your arrest), your charges were read on the way. (Your Lieutenant/Acting CO/XO was informed of the charges also, prior to heading medical)"

I'm more than sure I read your charges to you, the logs will show. However it did turn out to be a hectic situation because you were screaming that you were dying (You were not, I TOOK you back in to medical to scan you, you lied), and then when it continued when you screamed for marines to come help you, or when they started beating me down, or when you ordered them to kill me regarding a legitimate arrest. And you had your lynch pod murder myself and the rest of the accompanying MP team over the situation so yeah, there is that.

2) The Provost was messaged regarding your threats to myself, the WO and my department because we did not follow what was deemed an unlawful order due to a lack of staff (2 mps when this was ordered, meaning that you'd completely remove the ability for MPs to arrest more than one person and they'd be stuck in the brig guarding them alone for however long the sentence was, crippling the shipside enforcement of marine law) I was rather polite during the majority of the interaction, however when it got to the point where you were threatening me to be accountable for any deaths at the FOB because I did follow your unlawful order. I decided to message the Provost.

3) Arrest was done prior to any boarding or alerts.

Its 4:11am in the UK, so I'll add more or address additional things tomorrow.

[Symbiosis]

1) You were not detained before/during surgery in the sense that you were denied medical charges. I'll just Copy and Paste what I said in the previous thread

1a)" But yeah, were unconscious when I handcuffed you, you werent awake so I waited until you woke up (And as previously stated, spoke to some marines, nearby,informing them of your arrest), your charges were read on the way. (Your Lieutenant/Acting CO/XO was informed of the charges also, prior to heading medical)"

I'm more than sure I read your charges to you, the logs will show. However it did turn out to be a hectic situation because you were screaming that you were dying (You were not, I TOOK you back in to medical to scan you, you lied), and then when it continued when you screamed for marines to come help you, or when they started beating me down, or when you ordered them to kill me regarding a legitimate arrest. And you had your lynch pod murder myself and the rest of the accompanying MP team over the situation so yeah, there is that.

2) The Provost was messaged regarding your threats to myself, the WO and my department because we did not follow what was deemed an unlawful order due to a lack of staff (2 mps when this was ordered, meaning that you'd completely remove the ability for MPs to arrest more than one person and they'd be stuck in the brig guarding them alone for however long the sentence was, crippling the shipside enforcement of marine law) I was rather polite during the majority of the interaction, however when it got to the point where you were threatening me to be accountable for any deaths at the FOB because I did follow your unlawful order. I decided to message the Provost.

3) Arrest was done prior to any boarding or alerts.

Its 4:11am in the UK, so I'll add more or address additional things tomorrow.

Jerkface pulled the logs - you lied about reading my charges before cuffing me.

Also, the charge you provided was false. I never ordered you or the MP's arrested. You charged me with - To intentionally order the arrest of a marine who is then found to be innocent, or to apply an improper or abusive NJP.

2. - You said there was no Prisoners, we argued. It was dropped. You and the Admin at the time decided to arrest me. You'll NEVER EVER SEE WHERE I ORDERED AN ARREST OF AN MP. Arguing with the CMP isn't against the law.

3. Yes. You arrested me prior to boarding. You had your head cut off by an entire round of players sick of this BS shortly after.

[Jerkface00]

Relevant logs:

Chat

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[20:15:29]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson: Commander, I would advise you caution, we have a message from the Provost regarding your unlawful order
[20:15:42]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson: If you wish for me to press the charges, I will be more than glad to do so.
[20:15:52]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson: Your men have already seen it, Commander.
[20:16:11]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson: MPs, detain the Commander if you see him
[20:17:00]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson: Charge is attempted prevarication
[20:17:10]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson: Charge given by High Command.

[20:17:56]ATTACK: SolidFury7/(William 'Jester' Crimson) attempted to handcuff Symbiosis/(Cliff 'Chubs' Campbell)

[20:18:53]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson: You're under arrest, Commander Campbell
[20:19:04]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson: Charges given by High Command
[20:19:16]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson: Prevecation
[20:19:40]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson: MPs to medical

Admin Heals for 6/28/2018 (to the time of the latest logs of this post/uninvolved heal target ckeys removed)

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[08:16:32]ADMIN: Mvp777/(Fred Majun) healed / revived (Lisa 'Hotshot' Taylor)
[08:16:38]ADMIN: Mvp777/(Fred Majun) healed / revived (Al 'Varez' Suarez)
[08:29:29]ADMIN: Mvp777/(Fred Majun) healed / revived (Mark Edwards)
[10:29:22]ADMIN: Anoonki/(Valerie 'Val' Greene) healed / revived (Roscoe 'FF' Carr)
[10:29:38]ADMIN: Kavlo/(Lochlann 'Saint' Healy) healed / revived (John Gibson)
[13:01:14]ADMIN: Kavlo/(Lochlann 'Saint' Healy) healed / revived (monkey (404))
[14:48:02]ADMIN: Ghostdex/(John 'Fixer' Donable) healed / revived /(Jack Knight)
[14:49:56]ADMIN: Ghostdex/(John 'Fixer' Donable) healed / revived /(Peter Bates)
[19:17:37]ADMIN: Cry of Wolves/(Do not touch.) healed / revived (unknown)
[20:05:58]ADMIN: Cry of Wolves/(Do not touch.) healed / revived (Broden Ackers)

(following looc provided for timestamp context)
[20:20:22]OOC: (LOCAL) Cliff 'Chubs' Campbell/Symbiosis : You ahealed me so you could arrest me?
[20:21:18]OOC: (LOCAL) Cliff 'Chubs' Campbell/Symbiosis : they literally ahealed me

(the following appear to have been thunderdome related)
[21:21:32]ADMIN: Skysoldier/(unknown) healed / revived (unknown)
[21:21:35]ADMIN: Skysoldier/(unknown) healed / revived (unknown)
[21:21:37]ADMIN: Skysoldier/(unknown) healed / revived (unknown)
[21:21:41]ADMIN: Skysoldier/(unknown) healed / revived (unknown)
[21:39:30]ADMIN: Skysoldier/(unknown) healed / revived (Reginald Dempsey)

It appears to me that the claims of abuse of adminheal, and for abuse as a CMP are both unfounded and lack a basis in fact. Looks more like your surgeon fixed your IB, and that's what brought you back to full - as the fix o vein removes topical damage (burn/brute) when used to fix IB.

[solidfury7]

Jerkface pulled the logs - you lied about reading my charges before cuffing me.

Also, the charge you provided was false. I never ordered you or the MP's arrested. You charged me with - To intentionally order the arrest of a marine who is then found to be innocent, or to apply an improper or abusive NJP.

2. - You said there was no Prisoners, we argued. It was dropped. You and the Admin at the time decided to arrest me. You'll NEVER EVER SEE WHERE I ORDERED AN ARREST OF AN MP. Arguing with the CMP isn't against the law.

3. Yes. You arrested me prior to boarding. You had your head cut off by an entire round of players sick of this BS shortly after.

I think you misread the logs, mate.

I didn't give you that charge, the provost did. I merely complained to them about you threatening me, claiming I was breaking marine law and then later claiming if anyone died at the FOB id be held personally accountable.

Anyway. As I said its pretty much daylight here so gonna catch some Zzzzs.

[Symbiosis]

I think you misread the logs, mate.

I didn't give you that charge, the provost did. I merely complained to them about you threatening me, claiming I was breaking marine law and then later claiming if anyone died at the FOB id be held personally accountable.

Anyway. As I said its pretty much daylight here so gonna catch some Zzzzs.

It's clear you said the charge in MP channel answering an MP's question as to why the Commander was under arrest. You cuffed me before even talking to me. - Not to MENTION the law you claimed I violated there is no way in hell I did, which means you also committed - Prevarication To intentionally order the arrest of a marine who is then found to be innocent, or to apply an improper or abusive NJP.

Ordering MP's to the FOB to protect an MT is NOT an NJP. Ordering Marines to do things is NOT an NJP.

[Symbiosis]

Need to adjust the report. Someone says they saw the surgery happen. The logs do NOT show Surgery - but someone says they saw it and I've no reason to disbelieve them. The fact logs don't show surgery is why the Aheal was originally claimed.

Seeing as no Aheal appears to have occurred per logs, I'm adjusting the request to "Warning" - as there was still admin abuse in the false arrest being ordered in the first place and the Death Squad being composed of people hand picked from the Mod/Mentor team.

BMC spent quite some time with me working through these which is appreciated - he'll also be adding surgery logs in the future.

[Rahlzel]

I've been given a rundown of the situation by BMC and wanted to respond. I don't know Symbiosis nor the staff members in question that well so I think this will be entirely without bias.

Symbiosis - I've also verified whether or not you were Ahealed myself. Our server was rebooted late last night so we haven't lost any logs - you weren't Ahealed. It was likely a code bug of some kind. We're on the beta version of Byond so it seems likely it was just a random fluke.

Correct me if I'm wrong: Symbiosis, as Commander, sent MPs planetside, which is not against the law. Solidfury, as an MP, sent an IC fax to High Command requesting Sybiosis' arrest for this. BladeBr (as High Command) accepted the unlawful arrest request on a lawful Commander. MPs arrest you. You order their execution, including the CMP. The Death Squad that came later is from a different staff member and seems only to be related due to the chaos of that round - not due to any grudge.

Symbiosis, you were not innocent in this event due to the fact that you battlefield executed Military Police, which is against the server rules and a strong case for anyone to lose their whitelist. However, due to the fact that two of our staff members arguably conspired to arrest you for no reason, I'm not doing anything to you. Furthermore, I'm debating removing the rule that prevents Battlefield Executions against MPs. COs are whitelisted, so like you've demonstrated, it seems likely that MPs will only be BE'd in extreme situations so the Commander won't lose their whitelist. I'll decide on this later.

I wanted to note that this seems to be tangled in some kind of dramatic grudge between you and some of our staff. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but apparently you're getting leaked screenshots of our conversations from a staff member that's a friend of yours and other staff are rightfully unhappy about it.

If this is true, I'd like to make an agreement with you, Symbiosis. I hope I've demonstrated my interest in neutrality, willingness to be fair, and respect for any player on this server - I have every intention to continue. In return, whatever agreement you have with whomever staff member it is, I want it to end now. If I ever see you posting leaked information again or I find out who the staff member is, I will erase both of you. Deal?

[Symbiosis]

I've been given a rundown of the situation by BMC and wanted to respond. I don't know Symbiosis nor the staff members in question that well so I think this will be entirely without bias.

Symbiosis - I've also verified whether or not you were Ahealed myself. Our server was rebooted late last night so we haven't lost any logs - you weren't Ahealed. It was likely a code bug of some kind. We're on the beta version of Byond so it seems likely it was just a random fluke.

Correct me if I'm wrong: Symbiosis, as Commander, sent MPs planetside, which is not against the law. Solidfury, as an MP, sent an IC fax to High Command requesting Sybiosis' arrest for this. BladeBr (as High Command) accepted the unlawful arrest request on a lawful Commander. MPs arrest you. You order their execution, including the CMP. The Death Squad that came later is from a different staff member and seems only to be related due to the chaos of that round - not due to any grudge.

Symbiosis, you were not innocent in this event due to the fact that you battlefield executed Military Police, which is against the server rules and a strong case for anyone to lose their whitelist. However, due to the fact that two of our staff members arguably conspired to arrest you for no reason, I'm not doing anything to you. Furthermore, I'm debating removing the rule that prevents Battlefield Executions against MPs. COs are whitelisted, so like you've demonstrated, it seems likely that MPs will only be BE'd in extreme situations so the Commander won't lose their whitelist. I'll decide on this later.

I wanted to note that this seems to be tangled in some kind of dramatic grudge between you and some of our staff. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but apparently you're getting leaked screenshots of our conversations from a staff member that's a friend of yours and other staff are rightfully unhappy about it.

If this is true, I'd like to make an agreement with you, Symbiosis. I hope I've demonstrated my interest in neutrality, willingness to be fair, and respect for any player on this server - I have every intention to continue. In return, whatever agreement you have with whomever staff member it is, I want it to end now. If I ever see you posting leaked information again or I find out who the staff member is, I will erase both of you. Deal?

First and foremost, thank you and BMC both for your objectivity and diplomatic approach to this situation. He spent quite some time in Discord pouring over this and asking questions regarding the situation. The approach you both are taking is restoring a lot of faith in the community of CM; specifically regarding staff. There's a reason we call you Rahllah.

I actually only argued with the CMP on sending some planetside to protect an MT that was going down 2nd drop after Alpha and Bravo had built a quick FOB. We argued back and forth, but in the end, it's his department. He had the final say. I never escalated to High Command/etc, I just argued and dropped it. Continued the round. I think the mod team overstepped their bounds by issuing the order that led to my arrest and the Death Squad populated by Mod/Mentors/Devs to kill specifically me... because I didn't bend the knee and accept their ruling (nor did the players, a helluva lot of them beat the MP's to the ground using their fists and melee weapons) they decided to knock over the chess board for the players that round out of frustration. That itself speaks to the atmosphere many rightfully disagree with.

I ordered the executions of MP's arresting Marines... after the dropship was hurtling towards the Almayer or had already crashed. The Server is getting real tired of every round MP's Tazering/Arresting everyone they can in the worst ways/times possible. I don't believe any of my actions, or the actions of the fellow players who lynched Crimson, were unwarranted. A lengthy dive into Msay logs and conversations between Crimson and myself early round will show that. This is precisely why protections surrounding MP's/CMP's regarding BE's must be closely examined. No player report against me in that situation would've held any weight, but server rules have created a situation where the MP's and CMP are extremely difficult to hold accountable.

You have demonstrated your neutrality, for that I cannot thank you enough - I wouldn't remain here if otherwise. As far as the "leaks"... it is several Moderators and Admins who are frankly seeing the same thing, like you specifically said, a dramatic grudge between some other staff and myself. It doesn't end with only me. They abuse their station in ways that are not making CM a better place, which is why I essentially blew things out of the water by sharing that screenshot. I've been extremely conservative in releasing such things - as the community can be horribly fractured when they feel (rightfully or not) there is blatant staff abuse. I did it knowing quite well that it would potentially be quite bad for me... but CM as a community deserves better than what we saw last night -AND- what has been happening lately. Plus bringing my marriage into it really pissed me off. Keyboard warriors.

I'm going to trust in your extended olive branch and give my word to go to you and BMC directly with future examples of moderator and admin+ bias towards the Community (it doesn't end with just me) - there are several members on your staff team that see this and don't like it, but don't really feel like it's in their best interest to speak out vocally against it out of fear of being removed/blacklisted. You're making strides to make the game and community better for ALL which I can fully respect and gladly throw my support behind. I and many other of the community are very hopeful, Rahllah. There'll be no further leaks.

[frozentsbgg]

Hey Symb, I'm happy that this has been resolved.

Don't worry, the issues you've brought up are known by the Managers, and within the Mod team itself.
It's something that I know for a fact is going to be reviewed by every single staff member, and those in positions of seniority.

Although I strongly agree with your decision to speak out, I don't support the public usage of leaks, and I agree with your statement regarding it being "blown" out of the water. As you said, going directly in the future, might be wiser when you have stuff that shouldn't be publicised.

You might see one or two bad apples, but as a whole, the staff team works
Have faith that the checks and balances that exist in CM, function. Even if sometimes it doesn't feel like it.

[solidfury7]

Symbiosis - I've also verified whether or not you were Ahealed myself. Our server was rebooted late last night so we haven't lost any logs - you weren't Ahealed. It was likely a code bug of some kind. We're on the beta version of Byond so it seems likely it was just a random fluke.

Correct me if I'm wrong: Symbiosis, as Commander, sent MPs planetside, which is not against the law. Solidfury, as an MP, sent an IC fax to High Command requesting Sybiosis' arrest for this. BladeBr (as High Command) accepted the unlawful arrest request on a lawful Commander. MPs arrest you. You order their execution, including the CMP. The Death Squad that came later is from a different staff member and seems only to be related due to the chaos of that round - not due to any grudge.

Just to clarify, you've got a number of things incorrect, I do realise this is a chaotic situation due to the sheer amount of logs.

Commander never deployed MPs to the colony, he ordered MPs to do so when there were (1-2 of them) I awoke just before they did I denied them on grounds of a lack of manpower to maintain shipside order. The arrest was never based around the initial order.

The reason for the fax was due to the Commander threatening to hold my department and accusing me of breaking marine law, no request was made to arrest him, The fax was an extremely lengthy one (for those who know me, they know my faxes are juicy in length/evidence/bitchyness) No arrest was requested, it was more so that Crimson wanted a ruling or at least clarification from the Provost regarding the matter.

I also find it ridiculous and pretty offensive to say you would imply that I conspired to detain Symb, when I specifically mention both ICly and mChat prior to the commander returning to the dropship I was not going to press charges on the Commander, even though the Provost gave us the ability to charge them with their fax, this changed when he returned to the ship (which had lost telecoms due to a mix of Engineering incompetence and later a bug getting on the ship and rushing it a few times) and blamed the whole failure on the operation on the MPs and myself. We had a charge we could place against the Commander

I'm pretty you can even see me warning the CO not to push his luck on the logs BMC posted.

[Blade2000Br]

Ok, since I have been citated from Rahzel but never really got the chance to explain my actions, I will be doing it right now before the thread get closed.

I've been given a rundown of the situation by BMC and wanted to respond. I don't know Symbiosis nor the staff members in question that well so I think this will be entirely without bias.

Symbiosis - I've also verified whether or not you were Ahealed myself. Our server was rebooted late last night so we haven't lost any logs - you weren't Ahealed. It was likely a code bug of some kind. We're on the beta version of Byond so it seems likely it was just a random fluke.

Correct me if I'm wrong: Symbiosis, as Commander, sent MPs planetside, which is not against the law. Solidfury, as an MP, sent an IC fax to High Command requesting Sybiosis' arrest for this. BladeBr (as High Command) accepted the unlawful arrest request on a lawful Commander. MPs arrest you. You order their execution, including the CMP. The Death Squad that came later is from a different staff member and seems only to be related due to the chaos of that round - not due to any grudge.

Symbiosis, you were not innocent in this event due to the fact that you battlefield executed Military Police, which is against the server rules and a strong case for anyone to lose their whitelist. However, due to the fact that two of our staff members arguably conspired to arrest you for no reason, I'm not doing anything to you. Furthermore, I'm debating removing the rule that prevents Battlefield Executions against MPs. COs are whitelisted, so like you've demonstrated, it seems likely that MPs will only be BE'd in extreme situations so the Commander won't lose their whitelist. I'll decide on this later.

I wanted to note that this seems to be tangled in some kind of dramatic grudge between you and some of our staff. Perhaps I'm mistaken, but apparently you're getting leaked screenshots of our conversations from a staff member that's a friend of yours and other staff are rightfully unhappy about it.

If this is true, I'd like to make an agreement with you, Symbiosis. I hope I've demonstrated my interest in neutrality, willingness to be fair, and respect for any player on this server - I have every intention to continue. In return, whatever agreement you have with whomever staff member it is, I want it to end now. If I ever see you posting leaked information again or I find out who the staff member is, I will erase both of you. Deal?

Rahzel, I am sorry, but I as provost Marshall never ordered Symbiotic's arrest.

I joined the server a little later after all the issue that was happening. When the fax was sent, there was a discussion about if the Commander order to send one of the MPs down to act as FOB guard was lawfully. When I answered the fax, I took in consideration that there were literally only 2 MPs when the order was first issued, Solid being the 3rd MP.

From what I saw, the CO was ordering the MPs to act as FOB guards, in the very start of the round. Apparently, there was no FOB or a very bad built FOB, in which the MPs would have to stay there. No FOB, with the fact there was only 2 MPs made me decide that the law enforcement on the ship would be severely compromised. So I opted in Solid's favor when he decided he wouldn't deploy the MPs due to lack of manpower. The CO obviously threatened him for breaking the marine law, which was when the fax was sent:

He never asked for an arrest, nor a demotion. He only asked for the HC to give a ruling about this issue so he wouldn't be treating the MP force. So, I decided, together with permission from Cry, to give a ruling the CO order was unlawful, due to this fact. I also said on the fax the MP that deployed could be charged with neglect of duty, as he Had affairs to attend on the ship, and the CO could be charged with Prevarication for threatening the CMP arrest with said unlawful order as a base.

You can check the fax that I sent, Rahzel, in no place, I ever said the CO was supposed to be arrested/demoted or whatever. I only gave the ruling so he could stop threatening the MP department.

There was no intent nor grudge agaisn't Symb when I made this ruling as Provost Marshall, as I never ordered arrests to be done over him.

That's my piece.

[Symbiosis]

You can check the fax that I sent, Rahzel, in no place, I ever said the CO was supposed to be arrested/demoted or whatever. I only gave the ruling so he could stop threatening the MP department.

There was no intent nor grudge agaisn't Symb when I made this ruling as Provost Marshall, as I never ordered arrests to be done over him.

That's my piece.

Commander never deployed MPs to the colony, he ordered MPs to do so when there were (1-2 of them) I awoke just before they did I denied them on grounds of a lack of manpower to maintain shipside order. The arrest was never based around the initial order.

I also find it ridiculous and pretty offensive to say you would imply that I conspired to detain Symb, when I specifically mention both ICly and mChat prior to the commander returning to the dropship I was not going to press charges on the Commander, even though the Provost gave us the ability to charge them with their fax, this changed when he returned to the ship (which had lost telecoms due to a mix of Engineering incompetence and later a bug getting on the ship and rushing it a few times) and blamed the whole failure on the operation on the MPs and myself. We had a charge we could place against the Commander.

I'm pretty you can even see me warning the CO not to push his luck on the logs BMC posted.

So if the arrest was unlawful and NOT approved by the Provost, why was a Death Squad sent in rather than the CMP Bwoinked and issued a ban?

[Blade2000Br]

I said the you could be charged with prevarication, not that I ordered your arrest on said charge.

The CMP just enforced his right to charge you with prevarication.
Please, don't distort what I say to prove a point.

[Symbiosis]

I said the you could be charged with prevarication, not that I ordered your arrest on said charge.

The CMP just enforced his right to charge you with prevarication.
Please, don't distort what I say to prove a point.

So you DID or you DIDN'T authorize my arrest for prevarication?

Prevarication To intentionally order the arrest of a marine who is then found to be innocent, or to apply an improper or abusive NJP.

I never applied anything to anyone or ordered an arrest of anyone, I requested MP's planetside to guard an MT on second drop after Alpha and Bravo built a small FOB at LZ1....

Which as Rahl stated, isn't an unlawful order. Can be denied by the CMP, but not an unlawful order.

[Symbiosis]

Hey Symb, I'm happy that this has been resolved.

Don't worry, the issues you've brought up are known by the Managers, and within the Mod team itself.
It's something that I know for a fact is going to be reviewed by every single staff member, and those in positions of seniority.

Although I strongly agree with your decision to speak out, I don't support the public usage of leaks, and I agree with your statement regarding it being "blown" out of the water. As you said, going directly in the future, might be wiser when you have stuff that shouldn't be publicised.

You might see one or two bad apples, but as a whole, the staff team works
Have faith that the checks and balances that exist in CM, function. Even if sometimes it doesn't feel like it.

I'm happy that it's in the process of being sorted as well. I'm hopeful the investigative process will determine whom bears the burden for what occurred.

I can be vocal, but it's pretty evident here that something foul was afoot, at the bare minimum, on the MP/CMP/Provost + Death Squad level, ignoring the extremely hostile comments directed mt way.