Hi guys,
Ive been playing spessmen for a while now and I wanted to share my secrets to not being retarded while playing classes with access to C4, like Spec, SL and especially the Engineer class:
1. The Board
When playing SS13 youre basically playing on this:
We all know what that is, that is a checkerboard. Right now its in the marines best favor, empty. They got all the visibility and range they can get. You have 8 Tiles on this checkerboard and in theory, the maximum amount of firepower you can get out of it is 8 marines standing in a line firing in 1 direction. For the sake of simplicity this excludes IFF weapons such as Snipers and Defensive positions like L Shaped barricades. (Which are by the way hands down the best types of cades in this game because they work by extending the checkerboard artificially to give you more than 8 tiles to fire from).
2. The Obstacles
Due to mappers, the arch enemy of marine spessmen, the map will never look like the clear board above. It will be more looking like this:
For the sake of this argument the figures on this board are obstacles that obstruct view and your firing range. Now all of a sudden your potential DPS of 8 guys firing down 8 tiles is down to lets say 4 guys firing 4. But how important is this in this game?
3. The Health pool
Xenos typically have a larger health pool than marines and regen health over time, making them incredible bullet sponges when played right. They also possess strong cqb abilities. In order to kill Xenos you need to deplete their health pool fast and then finish them off before they can escape your FOV, aka the checkerboard. Obstacles like walls, weeds, resin, and any other obstacle or item/machine that cuts down a marine players ability to deal damage ALWAYS passively buff the Xenos, because they got more DPS and more HP per marine on a tile on average. It becomes, in fact, mechanically nearly impossible for 3 Marines with M41s to kill 3 Defenders in a 3x3 chokepoint. They simply do not have the DPS to kill the xenos before they close the distance, while the defenders health pool is too large and abilities like tail swipe will prevent them to take damage altogether once the distance is closed.
4. The conclusion
Keep the checkerboard empty, do not fight mobs in chokepoints that limit your potential DPS beyond the ability to kill the Xenos you are facing. When building defenses make sure to leave openings that allow marines to chase the Xenos for a quick counter push once those deplete their Health pool pushing the fortification.
When you have access to C4, the M56D or any other weapon that destroys obstacles like walls and offers marines a clear checkerboard to push, flank and shoot, do it. Clear obstacles, Destroy walls, tear down machines, drag away debris, anything that can be cover for aliens is a passive buff for them.
When pushing, push past chokepoints and unfold into wider areas whenever possible, making sure that youy marines, which will ALWAYS have the numerical superiority, can unfold and use the space and range to bring down their potential Damage on the xenos.
Prime examples of awful spots to fight as marine would be the lambda labs chokpoints. Those are 3x3 Tiles, Boilers best friend and always extremly easy for xenos to defend. Ive never seen marines win those chokepoint battles. Ever. All they do is go in Salami tactic, 3 a piece, get destroyed, gg. Dont be that guy.
For Engis: C4, Buckshot shotguns and M56 give you the potential to be the highest DPS spessmen safe of the tank or Dropship. Use those tools wisely.
For Spec/SL: Again, Use C4 and CAS/OB to clear and open up chokes before pushing past them. An unused OB is worse than an OB that has scored 0 kills but opened the checkerboard up for a follow up push by 2 or even 3 tiles.
For PFC and anyone else: M56Ds, Buckshot and rifle fire will tear down walls eventually, if you got ammo to spare, why not shoot them down to give you a little edge. Same goes for Resin walls.
Thank you for Reading
Long Live C4!
The Checkerboard theory
- Pedr007
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Re: The Checkerboard theory
Someone move this to guides please.
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Re: The Checkerboard theory
this is insanely helpful
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Will 'DownTown' Lersh - his "i've seen it all" attitude is only matched by his ability to throw marines further than he trusts them
-still new to this
-biceps is his drinking buddy
- BillyBoBBizWorth
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Re: The Checkerboard theory
To some players these would be very obvious facts that your pointing out, but some wont know.Your points are simple and true and i wish more acknowledged it.
Unless the marines are doing a better job than the xenoes of storming hallways and ambushing, all hallways and rooms roughly smaller than 5x5 tiles are almost always deathtraps, especially without cading.
Open spaces only favour about half the xenoe castes, or if the whole hive is making a push.Open spaces favor marines in almost all ways, less FF, more flanks being watched/engaged, tank can be supported properly, CAS and mortar available, marine firing lines/focus firing, more available routes to retreat, the list goes on and on really.
Unless the marines are doing a better job than the xenoes of storming hallways and ambushing, all hallways and rooms roughly smaller than 5x5 tiles are almost always deathtraps, especially without cading.
Open spaces only favour about half the xenoe castes, or if the whole hive is making a push.Open spaces favor marines in almost all ways, less FF, more flanks being watched/engaged, tank can be supported properly, CAS and mortar available, marine firing lines/focus firing, more available routes to retreat, the list goes on and on really.
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"It was a fantastic round. If the CO hadn't cryo'ed before the end I'd have bothered him to give at least two more medals. To PFC Max Dallas, who kept doing the path between the frontlines to FOB (the only place with medical aid) with a roller bed, and saved a lot of marines who'd have husked otherwise. And to Dr. Haley Altman, who after all medics were gone was fixing us time and again for hours straight. At the end there were over 10 patients around her either dead or in crit, and she just kept going."
I will murder you Brittany Breeze
"It was a fantastic round. If the CO hadn't cryo'ed before the end I'd have bothered him to give at least two more medals. To PFC Max Dallas, who kept doing the path between the frontlines to FOB (the only place with medical aid) with a roller bed, and saved a lot of marines who'd have husked otherwise. And to Dr. Haley Altman, who after all medics were gone was fixing us time and again for hours straight. At the end there were over 10 patients around her either dead or in crit, and she just kept going."
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Re: The Checkerboard theory
Great read, i think this picture from the engineering guide in the wiki kinda represents what good positioning means
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If bald marines follow this rule our FF percentage would lower down to 10%
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Re: The Checkerboard theory
good guide -- though I think marine numerical advantage is at its absolute strongest when you have a wide open line of cades facing a single tile wide entrance. I don't have a screenshot at hand, but my favorite holdout spot is south of LZ1 on prison -- if you take out the line of walls in front of tcomms and replace them with barricades, then you have a position where 8+ marines can fire on the few xenos who can slip past the 1-tile entrance. Because the entrance is only one tile wide, body blocking will help you secure kills as they retreat.
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Re: The Checkerboard theory
noice guide. it's a shame that mostly people who already know this info will be the ones to read it.
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Re: The Checkerboard theory
IM yelling "CLEAR SPACE!!" , "WE NEED MORE SPACE TO FIGHT THEM!" or "DON't CHARGE INTO DAMN TUNNEL THEY HAVE BOILER!" for years and years. Also C4'ed and shoot down walls if i could.
MB this guide will open someones eyes.
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