Martzin's Jobban Appeal

Martzin · Post by **Martzin** » 23 Jul 2018, 05:23

Your Byond ID: Martzin

Character Name: Murdoch Machowicz

Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban): MP Job-ban

Admin who banned you (if known): Apophis755

Total Ban Duration: Permanent

Remaining Duration: Permanent

What other servers do you play on? Mostly /tg/ and halostation.

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones? Once perma-banned on Hippie for griefing many, many years ago. I since appealed it and was accepted. I also had to make a previous job-ban appeal here last year.

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): As the CMP, I had unwittingly "poisoned" one of my own MPs after selling pepper spray as a beverage to him, along with other people. He was the only one to be affected badly and my other MP's faxed High Command which led to me getting bwoinked by Apop and promptly demoted, arrested and executed for attempting to kill people, along with the job-ban I have now.

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable):

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): I'm hoping that with the time since and the new administration I can garner some sympathy for my side here. As previously stated I had managed to poison one of my own MPs by giving him pepper spray to drink. He didn't die though required extensive medical care. It should be noted I had been doing this pepper-spray feeding gag months beforehand, though I mostly reserved it to rowdy prisoners and people I didn't like, not selling it to the crew as a spicy beverage and had never seen it kill or wound someone. The closest I've seen this happen was a round long before this when an MT drank some and everyone who examined him thought he was dead until he got back up at full health again. This could've been an admin-heal but if it were I'm pretty sure I would've been bwoinked. The only time an admin ever contacted me over this was the incident we're talking about here. This led me to believe that drinking pepper-spray doesnt cause permanent damage and that the only reason this got admin attention was due to the fax.

I think that Apop thought I was purposely giving my crewmembers poisonous drinks for shits and giggles, which though I was doing it for a laugh I was adamant would not hurt anyone. I still don't think it does, as no matter how bad it got for people they never died and went back to normal health. But mostly just that I was a CMP giving out capsaicin in a can. I also think he told me I was LRPing and not doing my job right. I'll get into the course of the round now.

After the beginning-round gear up and briefing everything on the ship slowed to a crawl. There was nothing to do but wait and I didn't want it to be boring so I thought of selling pepper spray as a drink to add spice to the round. I teamed up with the MTs in R&R who ran their own bar and had my MPs come in and take samples. I don't remember if there was real beer in there or not. Anyway, most of them went through the process of the normal shaking, blurred vision and pain, as I assured them it was just the spiciness of the drink, and that only the machoest of the macho could handle it. Most of them seemed to roll with it. It was all well and good until one of my MPs drank possibly a bit too much and flopped over dying of toxin damage. Someone tried taking him to medbay, which I told them to keep him here and that the effects would eventually wear off. Either way I gave up and he was taken there, the doctors had him recuperate while they looked into the composition of my drink and Command started looking into my case. There was hysteria going around that I was poisoning my men. One of my MPs faxed HC, the officers told my men to come and take me in, I hid in the Normandy where I fell asleep and Apop lectured me about my actions. Not long after High Command announced that I was a criminal poisoning his own men, and I booked it. After a brief chase and alot of tazed people I was brought into perma where I wrote a letter to my IC wife and waited. The XO came in, talked with me, told him I didn't intend for things to get this bad and he felt a little sorry.

After that I waited and my MTs promised they would keep running the Macho Sauce business. I was expecting to be kept in perma the rest of the round where ICly I'd be discharged from the ship and go back home until they dragged me out and an announcement for my execution was made. I went hysterical and the whole scene was chaotic. In dchat I had a tad bit salty talk with Apop where he slandered my name for all the bad things I'd done that round. I recall him saying he was tired of people taking important roles as jokes, and saying I was a bad MP. Then I was banned. It seemed the execution was mostly to make an example out of me.

All in all I don't think I was in the wrong here. I know that is not an ideal admins are fond of but I never thought pepper spray would or could kill someone and still hold that thought. I was just trying to lighten the mood in a boring run-of-the-mill round and hopefully make something people would remember for a little while, though I dont think i missed the mark with the latter.

Imperator_Titan · Post by **Imperator_Titan** » 23 Jul 2018, 05:25

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Grimcad · Post by **Grimcad** » 23 Jul 2018, 08:11

So you griefed a bunch of people over a long time span by giving them pepper spray to drink, but never got caught for it. And then once you did get caught your defense for your actions is "I didn't do anything wrong."

I think this ban is pretty well deserved and that you can sit on it for a while still.

Sir Lordington · Post by **Sir Lordington** » 23 Jul 2018, 08:57

If you still think you are in the right, I do not want to see this lifted. Head of staff roles are to be taken more seriously than others, but the Chief MP in particular is held to a higher standard and must never break Marine Law. The fact that you think you were right indicates to me you'd do it again if unbanned and that is not something I'm interested in dealing with.

Imperator_Titan · Post by **Imperator_Titan** » 23 Jul 2018, 09:01

Martzin wrote: ↑
23 Jul 2018, 05:23
All in all I don't think I was in the wrong here.

I thought I responded to this a while back but apparently not but I don't know what you think is wrong if you believe that spiking drinks with pepperspray for the fun of it isn't.

-1

Tharinoma · Post by **Tharinoma** » 23 Jul 2018, 13:35

Yeah, not the kind of playstyle we want from our MPs... Or anyone really.
-1

Martzin · Post by **Martzin** » 23 Jul 2018, 15:36

Imperator_Titan wrote: ↑
23 Jul 2018, 09:01
I thought I responded to this a while back but apparently not but I don't know what you think is wrong if you believe that spiking drinks with pepperspray for the fun of it isn't.

-1

It was harmless fun to me. Like I said I never saw anyone die to this and the effects were short-lived. I think the MP in question would've recuperated regardless of being treated in medbay, I may be wrong as I'm not skilled in SS13 medicine but this is the conclusion I've come to based off my own experience. I'd been giving people pepper spray interspersed from January 2018 to April. Never once was someone killed. And the drinks were not spiked, they were entirely filled with pepper spray, though I didn't call it that.

Seems to me that people think I did this very often and at random. I saved this kind of treatment for problematic prisoners and pranks on other people, mostly friends. Wasn't all that common but I did it enough times to warrant sureness in it. This is why I think I wasn't in the wrong, though I know the pepper spray trick will have to drop if i ever get this accepted. Do with that what you will.

Imperator_Titan · Post by **Imperator_Titan** » 23 Jul 2018, 18:14

Martzin wrote: ↑
23 Jul 2018, 15:36
Seems to me that people think I did this very often and at random. I saved this kind of treatment for problematic prisoners and pranks on other people, mostly friends. Wasn't all that common but I did it enough times to warrant sureness in it.

That's textbook griefing and I recommend stopping incase you ever wanted to do that again. Trying it on problematic prisoners? Really......? I thought using it on people you knew was bad enough but going out of your way to subtlely grief a prisoner that you detained? Big no-no. Be happy that you didn't receive a full on command jobban for grief, especially since you're admitting that you've been doing it for a long while now. Just because you weren't caught doesn't mean it's not against the rules.

Martzin · Post by **Martzin** » 23 Jul 2018, 19:13

Imperator_Titan wrote: ↑
23 Jul 2018, 18:14
That's textbook griefing and I recommend stopping incase you ever wanted to do that again. Trying it on problematic prisoners? Really......? I thought using it on people you knew was bad enough but going out of your way to subtlely grief a prisoner that you detained? Big no-no. Be happy that you didn't receive a full on command jobban for grief, especially since you're admitting that you've been doing it for a long while now. Just because you weren't caught doesn't mean it's not against the rules.

I don't see how this is griefing. Its never killed anyone so its just a punishment to prisoners doing stupid shit like breaking windows or yelling all the time. I don't see how that breaks RP boundaries at all. And you know, playing pranks on your buds for shits-and-giggles isn't breaking RP boundaries either, is it?

freemysoul · Post by **freemysoul** » 24 Jul 2018, 11:14

Ok, So I before I get onto this, you have been playing (According to your notes) since December 2016 and you have been noted for Breaking name rules, Suicide, Breaking Marine Law as an MP. All of which have been part of the rules since 2017, So really you should have no excuse to be breaking rules. Even when you join the server it does state that by playing on the server, you have read and understand the rules in effect on the server.

Anyway, Yes Pepper spray is an extremely toxic substance that will cause toxin damage. if you had done this in Real Life, you could very well have killed that person, So why would it make any sense for you to do it ingame in a High Roleplay Job?

I'm going to -1 this on this specific reason. You currently for the last 3 months have played 4 days, You played quite a bit on those days but only those 4 days, Please try get some playtime as this can affect the outcome of the appeal.

Solarmare · Post by **Solarmare** » 24 Jul 2018, 15:31

Ill just note you have no reason to punish prisoners as the bringing or njp is the punishment, forcefully feeding them pepperspray or flashing them for no reason while they're in a cell. You can disable them and put a straight jacket on them if they're hurting themself or trying to break a window or a muzzle if they're actually spamming screams. Ill give this a -1 until you have more time on and haven't caused issue as a mp before the CMP ban is lifted.

Ordukai · Post by **Ordukai** » 28 Jul 2018, 01:54

This is denied, you can try appealing it again in a month. Try to play a bit more of MP and show good behavior while doing it, and I'm sure it'll be accepted (As long as you recognize what you did was wrong and you won't do it again, of course)

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