Perma Appeal

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 28 Oct 2018, 22:04

Your Byond ID: Draconian23

Character Name: Javier Clines

Type Of Ban (Job-ban (include the job), Timed Ban, Permaban): Permaban

Admin who banned you (if known): Don't know.

Total Ban Duration: Don't know.

Remaining Duration: Don't know.

What other servers do you play on? Only CM

Are you now or have you been banned on any servers? Which ones? None

Reason for ban (If you have a Permaban, it should be the EXACT MESSAGE YOU GET WHEN YOU LOGIN with the Error code that looks like this: X##XXX##. If you do not provide this EXACTLY you can't be unbanned): 691JUN17 - Griefing

Link to previous appeals for the same ban (if applicable): None

Your appeal, including evidence (screenshots, etc): It's been a bit since this happened, but I'm pretty sure the incident that got me banned was that I was a bit too egregious in defending myself when another marine was trying to get something of theirs that I picked up back, and I went a bit overboard with it, resulting in their death. I'm pretty positive that hitting someone with a shotgun (I'm sure that's what it was) is pretty bad form in any situation, but especially bad since I was being needlessly antagonistic at the time. Looking back at that incident, I'd be pretty pissed if someone did the same thing to me, so I'd say that I deserved the ban. However, I wouldn't mind getting back into the community. I still lurk on the forums and in the discord, and I've not been active since all of the big changes that have been happening in the past 7 months or so. While simply wishing to be a part of CM again isn't really that much of an appeal, I'd like to ask for at the very least, a probationary period to show that I'm not a murder-faced ass, and that I can be part of what makes the game fun for us all once more.

Frans_Feiffer · Post by **Frans_Feiffer** » 29 Oct 2018, 00:49

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Hm. Upon searching notes of Draconian23, as well as logs, and other resources, I'm not seeing a mention specifically that you were ever permabanned. Were you informed you were perma'd at any point?

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 29 Oct 2018, 00:55

Frans_Feiffer wrote: ↑
29 Oct 2018, 00:49
Hm. Upon searching notes of Draconian23, as well as logs, and other resources, I'm not seeing a mention specifically that you were ever permabanned. Were you informed you were perma'd at any point?

Not at all actually. I've been back in university since January, so I never really got the chance to play up until now. I recall the disarming incident being really bad, and I felt really bad about it, so I assumed that's what I'd been banned for. Maybe I'm encountering an error rather than a ban?

Frans_Feiffer · Post by **Frans_Feiffer** » 29 Oct 2018, 01:13

draconian23 wrote: ↑
29 Oct 2018, 00:55
Not at all actually. I've been back in university since January, so I never really got the chance to play up until now. I recall the disarming incident being really bad, and I felt really bad about it, so I assumed that's what I'd been banned for. Maybe I'm encountering an error rather than a ban?

There may be an issue, as your last note states to watch you, but no mention of a ban issued, nor was there a request made for a Draconian23 in the Perma archives. However your name does pop up in our server logs ban text. I did a good bit of digging to no avail, so unless a higherup finds something that I missed, I think you got permad unintentionally. Please bare with us as our heads are busy people.

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 29 Oct 2018, 01:43

Frans_Feiffer wrote: ↑
29 Oct 2018, 01:13
There may be an issue, as your last note states to watch you, but no mention of a ban issued, nor was there a request made for a Draconian23 in the Perma archives. However your name does pop up in our server logs ban text. I did a good bit of digging to no avail, so unless a higherup finds something that I missed, I think you got permad unintentionally. Please bare with us as our heads are busy people.

No worries. Honestly I should keep CM far away from me while I'm back in university, but This game is like a McDonald's cheeseburger after spending a year in Bangladesh. I'll defer to anything you guys have to say about my predicament. There's no rush.

x31stOverlord · Post by **x31stOverlord** » 29 Oct 2018, 05:09

Did you at any point try to log into CM whilst using a VPN? Looks like it was an unintentional sticky ban that's been caught on the account.

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 29 Oct 2018, 09:59

x31stOverlord wrote: ↑
29 Oct 2018, 05:09
Did you at any point try to log into CM whilst using a VPN? Looks like it was an unintentional sticky ban that's been caught on the account.

Bingo. That must be what it is. I'm in IT, and use a VPN for work on a daily basis. I thought I was pretty good with turning the thing off when I was finished with my work, but I guess I got impatient one day and forgot to turn it off before I booted up CM. That's completely my mistake then guys. I'll be sure to keep the VPN off in the future.

ThesoldierLLJK · Post by **ThesoldierLLJK** » 29 Oct 2018, 10:20

To confirm do you own or know the players of the following CKEYs:

Joedahoex,Joedahoe1234,Telakus

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 29 Oct 2018, 10:24

Don't know those folks at all, sorry.

ThesoldierLLJK · Post by **ThesoldierLLJK** » 29 Oct 2018, 10:39

Sticky ban then, you will need to wait until EmeraldBlood looks into it.
There is no timeframe.

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 29 Oct 2018, 10:48

ThesoldierLLJK wrote: ↑
29 Oct 2018, 10:39
Sticky ban then, you will need to wait until EmeraldBlood looks into it.
There is no timeframe.

Not a problem. You guys take your time.

RobBrown4PM · Post by **RobBrown4PM** » 08 Nov 2018, 17:19

What do you know about the Ckey: Marzipan86?

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 09 Nov 2018, 01:46

RobBrown4PM wrote: ↑
08 Nov 2018, 17:19
What do you know about the Ckey: Marzipan86?

Don't know anything at all about it unfortunately.

Mizari · Post by **Mizari** » 09 Nov 2018, 16:13

Are you sure you haven't tried connecting with a VPN? Being truthful and honest will go a long way and help speed this process up a fair bit.

RobBrown4PM · Post by **RobBrown4PM** » 09 Nov 2018, 22:11

On top of that, you may want to say now weather or not you use that Marizan86 account, and have ever tried to connect to the server with it. As Mizari said, please be truthful.

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 09 Nov 2018, 23:01

I'm going to reference a statement that I have given earlier, in response to x31stOverlord.

draconian23 wrote: ↑
29 Oct 2018, 09:59
Bingo. That must be what it is. I'm in IT, and use a VPN for work on a daily basis. I thought I was pretty good with turning the thing off when I was finished with my work, but I guess I got impatient one day and forgot to turn it off before I booted up CM. That's completely my mistake then guys. I'll be sure to keep the VPN off in the future.

I would never hold back any truths to keep me from playing. As I've said earlier, I used a VPN for my job. I was a remote helpdesk worker for an IT company. When the company's service was blocked by my ISP, the company told me to use a VPN to access the client database, so I did. This was not a company-provided VPN unfortunately, so I'm afraid that some other people must have used the same service to play CM, and my ip has been mixed into that lot. I would never lie to this community, and I would never hold anything back. If you would like proof, I can send a moderator or admin my credit statements for the VPN, and a checkstub from my employer. As for the Marizan86 account, I've only ever used Draconian23. I don't see the point in trying to get around a ban, as it will only make things worse in the long run.

Mizari · Post by **Mizari** » 15 Nov 2018, 06:48

Ok I'm going to jump straight to the point, can you explain to me why all these accounts have the same Computer ID which is almost impossible to get around?

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 15 Nov 2018, 17:55

Well, I used a pretty common VPN (private Internet Access) to be able to bypass my isp's ban on my job because it was the cheapest option, and much, much easier than dealing with the ISP to get the ban fixed. I'm guessing that one day I logged into CM while I still had the VPN active. I'm also guessing that those listed above used the same VPN due to it's ease of use and cheap cost. That's the only explanation that I have for you unfortunately. I realize that this makes me look untrustworthy, but I honestly dont know what else to do. I'm not those people. I dont have a bunch of different keys to try and get around bans or anything like that because that's just multikeying, which is -another- bannable offense. Outside of putting me on probation and monitoring the IP and ID that I'm using (because I only play CM from one pc currently), I can't really give an answer other than what I've already said.

Mizari · Post by **Mizari** » 17 Nov 2018, 18:32

Your computer ID and IP are two seperate things and your computer ID tells us if you're using a different computer or not, all accounts that we've mentioned have your computer ID and theres literally no way around it. My issue is I dont really find it plausible what you're saying and hence why I gave you the opportunity to be truthful with us because not being truthful will hurt ya longer in the long run.

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 17 Nov 2018, 20:59

I dont see how falsely admitting to having multiple ckeys is giving me the chance to be truthful. I'm not going to admit to being any of those other people because it wouldn't be a truthful statement at all. I see where you and the other mods are coming from however, from an IT standpoint. I'm not informed at all in how byond handles credentialing and authentication, but doing some research told me that the number could be either associated with a windows installation number, or a processor serial number, and I guess somehow mine got mixed up in the wrong crowd. I have no idea how, but I'm sure you guys are tired of hearing that. I can not give you irrefutable proof that I'm not those people, but I'll never admit to being them because I'm not. All I have to offer is my 24 hours of playtime on Paradise station (I started playing there after this appeal was submitted, which is why it was not originally listed.) and my lack of notes within that span of time as a voice of my character.

Again, I understand where you are coming from. If you choose to maintain the ban on my account because of the information you have to you as an administrator, then you're just being a good administrator. I refuse to beleive that there is someone pulling a byond equivalent of spoofing my MAC address, which is the only explanation that I would have for those people having my computer ID. I wouldn't expect you to believe something like that either because it's absurd for a byond game, so I'm stuck in this pickle of not being able to provide poof of what I say, and it's a bit frustrating on my end.

When was the last time that my computer ID tried to log onto CM? If it has been relatively recently, then this might turn into a security issue on my side that I need to address, as I've not tried to log into CM in weeks.

Mizari · Post by **Mizari** » 18 Nov 2018, 04:24

Alright bear with us whilst this is reviewed, there is no timescale so you'll have to be patient while a decision is made.

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 18 Nov 2018, 12:04

Thank you for dealing with me. I understand it must also be frustrating to you guys as well. I'll trust the moderation team will make a decision that is in the best interest of the game.

Sir Lordington · Post by **Sir Lordington** » 07 Dec 2018, 14:46

So what you're saying is that this ckey that has only three attempted logins in its entire history which are all within the same hour of the same day, the first of which is minutes after you received the only ban in your notes, and logged in with what is most likely not a VPN IP and with your very same CID is completely unrelated to you?

I think you'll understand why I'm sceptic here.

draconian23 · Post by **draconian23** » 07 Dec 2018, 17:19

I do understand why your skeptic. It's frustrating on my end as well. This is not logical to me, and I can't defend it because it makes me just appear to be a liar the more I say that it's not me; but I cannot claim that ckey as mine. My wife wouldn't have been interested in the game at all, and I don't live with anyone else. I don't leave my computer out for anyone else to get onto, and I'm pretty tight with my online security. This baffles me. But again I can only defend myself so much without sounding like a liar here. I'm not saying that I'm a bastion of innocence. I've done some stupid stuff on the server and got banned. I've accepted the fact that I might not be able to play any longer because of that. I haven't really asked for anything but a look at my case here in hopes that maybe the ban would be lifted, and I haven't really considered asking for more because of the finality of the decision, especially considering that from your perspective it looks like I'm a multi-keyer, and I don't have an argument that would really convince you otherwise... On your end, you're all right not to trust me, but on my end it's a losing battle that seems arbitrary and heavy-handed, but I completely understand where you're coming from.. So with all of this considered, I would like to hear a judgement. I don't want to waste your time any more. If I'm banned for life, I've accepted it. It makes sense from a security and policy standpoint. I'll leave and not cause a fuss. If I'm not, I'll continue to be a member of the community, and another cog in the CM machine.

Tharinoma · Post by **Tharinoma** » 11 Dec 2018, 13:05

I think the effort in this appeal would be enough for me to support lifting a multikey attempt ban anyway. Note history is fine and it's been a while. Don't foresee this player being a problem. +1.

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