Staff report: dorkkeli

DeLineFortune · Post by **DeLineFortune** » 04 Nov 2018, 19:04

Your Byond Key: DeLineFortune

Your Character Name: Charlotte-Charlie View

Their Byond key: dorkkeli

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 21:46 GWT

Which Staff Protocols (http://www.colonial-marines.com/viewtop ... =57&t=5647) were broken: Rule 3. Don’t be a dick (Listen players next time and do something, dont tell "IC" and throw a ban? I dont know)

Description of the incident: I did friendly attempt to friendly disarm Alan (He was CMP). One of bravo marines (Aurelius Maudred) saw it and tried to disarm me. I told him to stop. He started throwing knives at me (Lethal force, mom?) and i told him to stop it. He did it again. And again. Then i shot him to paincrit and tried to use handcuffs and heal him, but he got aheal and i was handcuffed, because Dorkkeli has thrown me into admin sleep. Dorkkeli told me ''use ahelp next time'' and i said ''okay''. Then we deployed, got heavy UPP contact and that marine continue his attempts to attack medic on the frontline. I told him to stop it. He ignored me. I ahelped about it. Dorkkeli said me ''IC''. Okay. Then me and another marine shot his arm off and i got bannu. The end.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):
Sorry, it was a lot of logs and i lost the first contact and start of that.
Also, about the last situation and ban:
(I will miss a lot of logs like
Aurelius Maudred has disarmed Charlotte-Charlie View!
Aurelius Maudred punched Charlotte-Charlie View!
and
CPL Charlotte-Charlie View says, "stop it''
okay?)

He kept attacking MEDIC on the FRONTLINE . Yes. He stole my hud (i was a combat medic) and kept disarming/punching me on the front line under enemy's fire. Sorry, but i think it is a little bit dangerous for me, isnt it?
https://imgur.com/a/sijtcmJ
https://imgur.com/a/wgi7K3M
https://imgur.com/a/AKrfGir

I ahelped about it (It was probably his answer on the first sentence, but i dont know why did he ignore 5 mins of attack logs earlier and did nothing)
https://imgur.com/a/rLJuysF

Then me and another marine (Jacob Williamson) shot his arm off and i got bannu

You fire the M41A pulse rifle MK2 (~~Coup de grace~~) (Wielded)! 29/40
Aurelius Maudred is hit by the rifle bullet in the chest!
Aurelius Maudred is hit by the rifle bullet in the right arm!
Aurelius Maudred's right hand flies off in an arc!
Aurelius Maudred's right arm flies off in an arc!
The M41A pulse rifle MK2 (~~Coup de grace~~) (Wielded) is not ready to fire again!
Aurelius Maudred is hit by the rifle bullet in the chest!
The M41A pulse rifle MK2 (~~Coup de grace~~) (Wielded) is not ready to fire again!
You hear a loud cracking sound coming from Aurelius Maudred!
Jacob Williamson fires the M41A pulse rifle MK2 (Wielded)!
Aurelius Maudred is hit by the rifle bullet in the head!
You are now carrying M41A pulse rifle MK2 (~~Coup de grace~~) with one hand.
Aurelius Maudred is hit by the rifle bullet in the left hand!
You hear a loud cracking sound coming from Aurelius Maudred!

I tried to stabilize him and send to the Alamo but fall in adminsleep and got bannu.

How you would punish the accused: Duuno, i just want to hear his answers, i dont like to be a reason for punishment. He is also new as a mod. (Just hug him and give cacao. It will be better)

PS sorry for my bad english(

Dorkkeli · Post by **Dorkkeli** » 04 Nov 2018, 19:20

I got nothing more to say, than that I gave you a chance, at roundstart, AFTER improper escalation, to play the round normally. Then at the end, I see you shoot up the same dude, who was just disarmspamming and punching you, and you decided to shoot his arm off.

Edit: https://imgur.com/a/AKrfGir
And the part where you say that you are on an active combat zone: Yeah, you have deployed, but you were atleast 40 tiles away from the nearest combat, behind reinforced walls, at the LZ. You were safe. Don't try to twist it and make it seem that you were in danger for your life. Improper escalation.

DeLineFortune · Post by **DeLineFortune** » 04 Nov 2018, 19:29

>>AFTER improper escalation
Probably, but he started to use a lethal weapon first (throwing knives). I also had an opportunity to heal/revive him after it. (Was a combat medic)
Listen, just buy some some throwing knives irl, go on the street and try to throw it at police/random human. Tell them about improper escalation, when they will say you "stop it" two-three times and shot you. Thanks.

>>Then at the end, I see you shoot up the same dude, who was just disarmspamming and punching you, and you decided to shoot his arm off.

Thanks, but we were on the frontline, UPP tried to kill us but he kept disarming/punching. Okay.
Also, another marine saw that s**t and made me an assistance to shoot him. Because he just ignored everyone. On the dammit frontline. Under dammit enemy's fire.
I also ahelped about it and you said ''IC''. Okay. Me and another random marine solved that IC. I also tried to save his life, but, got adminsleep.

>>And the part where you say that you are on an active combat zone: Yeah, you have deployed, but you were atleast 40 tiles away from the nearest combat, behind reinforced walls, at the LZ. You were safe. Don't try to twist it and make it seem that you were in danger for your life. Improper escalation.

>>You were safe.

Yep, but we got a contact right after deploy and a part of his attempts were under enemy's fire. Then i returned to the rear, trying to talk him to stop but he ignored it.

Dorkkeli · Post by **Dorkkeli** » 04 Nov 2018, 19:41

DeLineFortune wrote: ↑
04 Nov 2018, 19:04

I ahelped about it (It was probably his answer on the first sentence, but i dont know why did he ignore 5 mins of attack logs earlier and did nothing)
https://imgur.com/a/rLJuysF

And yeah, that was an answer to the stolen HUD. After you Ahelped about him killing you, I jumped to your location, saw him disarming you, and then I saw you shoot his arm off. Then I banned you for 1440 minutes (1 day).

DeLineFortune · Post by **DeLineFortune** » 05 Nov 2018, 05:56

>>the time you shot him he only punched you a few times, not enough times to be enough of a threat to warrant shooting him.

Nah, it was a lot of logs before deploy and after. I made screens of important moments just

Dorkkeli · Post by **Dorkkeli** » 05 Nov 2018, 07:00

DeLineFortune wrote: ↑
05 Nov 2018, 05:56
>>the time you shot him he only punched you a few times, not enough times to be enough of a threat to warrant shooting him.

Nah, it was a lot of logs before deploy and after. I made screens of important moments just

The details will come when someone pulls logs.
Anyhow, this whole ordeal could have been avoided if you

A) remembered the rules of escalation
And
B) would have contacted the MPs, even the CMP who was being harrassed.

All in all, this would have been IC, but you pushed the rules in the matter of escalation.

DeLineFortune · Post by **DeLineFortune** » 05 Nov 2018, 08:20

>>A) remembered the rules of escalation
And
B) would have contacted the MPs, even the CMP who was being harrassed.

He attacked me with throwing knives first time (on the Almayer) and i shot him to paincrit.
He attacked me and keep it even after our deploy, i told him to stop, showed him my weapon but he still attacking me.
It was no MPs down there.
I had an opportunity to solve this problem without any deaths.

Mizari · Post by **Mizari** » 05 Nov 2018, 13:10

This will be looked into soon and the result will be posted, please be patient whilst we shift through this report.

ThesoldierLLJK · Post by **ThesoldierLLJK** » 05 Nov 2018, 21:33

Logs

Reporter disarms CMP (Alan Jones) and other party gets involved

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Moderator Invervention begins here:

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Another fight starts again

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Dorkelli takes action again:

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Dorkkeli · Post by **Dorkkeli** » 06 Nov 2018, 04:54

My only mistake that I did, was that I wrote that the knives did not hit/stick, in the notes. I saw the rest with my own eyes, the shooting especially at roundstart, when he was just disarming you, that you shot him. That in my eyes, is still improper escalation.
I would have left the rest of the incident as IC, after roundstart shenanigans, but as stated many times, Fortune did it yet again. What was mere roundstart disarmspamming (which is still against the rules), turned into harrasment from Democracyfans part, into two counts of improper escaltion.
I do not really have more to say, and I am waiting for the verdict from higherups.

Arbs · Post by **Arbs** » 06 Nov 2018, 11:24

I was the CMP that round and I do remember the initial moment briefly. I was in the wrong intent at the time I registered that attack in the logs, so my apologies on that.

Though I will say that at the time it only seemed like the usual messing around/pre-briefing shenanigans that marines do with one another as jokes or when bored, so it seemed as no big issue, hence why no action was taken. At the same time I have zero relation or information on the events including DemocracyFan1776/(Aurelius Maudred) and I was not informed of any of these occurrences that round.

I am more than capable as a CMP and my MP team that round was pretty decent. So if I was going to do something I could have easily done it. So the excuse mentioned by DemocracyFan1776/(Aurelius Maudred) is not something I would buy into.

However I can understand where the reporter is coming from with this report and for good reason. I would've done the same if I was being harassed like that in the frontline as a PFC, let alone playing a medic. And especially with the Moderation staff ruling it as an IC issue.

Please do remember the definition of griefing on the rules.

"Griefing is the intent of one player wanting to cause grief or annoyance to other players or to the server without a valid roleplay reason."

I'm not sure about shipside but on the front line, continuously harassing a medic like that, not only is a HUGE annoyance, but especially since it is happening for no valid roleplay reason whatsoever makes it seem like griefing even more. And since it was ruled as an IC issue by you, the escalation seems very proper because that simply told the reporter that they have to solve it by themselves.

And for the record, if you do look into my notes, there's a specific one that was placed there for disarm spam. So if anything, action should've been taken earlier on, by you or the staff, to prevent this whole deal on the first place.

Dorkkeli · Post by **Dorkkeli** » 06 Nov 2018, 14:19

Arbs wrote: ↑
06 Nov 2018, 11:24
I was the CMP that round and I do remember the initial moment briefly. I was in the wrong intent at the time I registered that attack in the logs, so my apologies on that.

Though I will say that at the time it only seemed like the usual messing around/pre-briefing shenanigans that marines do with one another as jokes or when bored, so it seemed as no big issue, hence why no action was taken. At the same time I have zero relation or information on the events including DemocracyFan1776/(Aurelius Maudred) and I was not informed of any of these occurrences that round.

I am more than capable as a CMP and my MP team that round was pretty decent. So if I was going to do something I could have easily done it. So the excuse mentioned by DemocracyFan1776/(Aurelius Maudred) is not something I would buy into.

However I can understand where the reporter is coming from with this report and for good reason. I would've done the same if I was being harassed like that in the frontline as a PFC, let alone playing a medic. And especially with the Moderation staff ruling it as an IC issue.

Please do remember the definition of griefing on the rules.

"Griefing is the intent of one player wanting to cause grief or annoyance to other players or to the server without a valid roleplay reason."

I'm not sure about shipside but on the front line, continuously harassing a medic like that, not only is a HUGE annoyance, but especially since it is happening for no valid roleplay reason whatsoever makes it seem like griefing even more. And since it was ruled as an IC issue by you, the escalation seems very proper because that simply told the reporter that they have to solve it by themselves.

And for the record, if you do look into my notes, there's a specific one that was placed there for disarm spam. So if anything, action should've been taken earlier on, by you or the staff, to prevent this whole deal on the first place.

I briefly discussed with Democracyfan, and took his side of the story. Pretty IC, could be taken care of by MPs.
My problem was the improper escalation. Also with a serving of roundstart shenanigans.
Albeit democracyfan actions were unnecessary, they were, in my eyes, IC, and could/should have been solved IC. Unlike the improper escalstion, which is directly against rules.

Dorkkeli · Post by **Dorkkeli** » 07 Nov 2018, 06:35

freemysoul wrote: ↑
07 Nov 2018, 06:23
Well yes, Dorkkeli seems to be in the wrong as in no way should it been called an IC issue if someone constantly disarming/throwing knives at people once ground side (This isn't so much griefing, more being a dick) nor should they have been enforcing marine law. HOWEVER DeLine, you were in the wrong for shooting said person (The first time), You should have reported them to CMP. However for the second time it looks IC from that point on.

Weird, I ahelped (or asked in OOC, cant remember) a long long time ago about the same issue (i was being punched and tackled at roundstart), and I was told by a staff member that that is an IC issue, alert MP's. Guess the it has changed at some point.

In that case, I've resolved this issue half-assedly, and I apologize to you, DeLine, that I didn't do the best I could have.

Imperator_Titan · Post by **Imperator_Titan** » 19 Nov 2018, 14:23

Okay so, having finally gotten around to this.

First instance was blatant improper escalation on your part, he wasn't in the wrong there.
Second instance however, it was moreso an IC issue and the ban was unnecessary although I understand his situation, seeing as how you shot him explicitly after being warned by him for the exact same thing.

I'm not going to remove the note however, it's going to stick around since you WERE in the wrong. However I do apologize for any inconvenience caused.

Resolved - Note will stick however, the moderator in question will be spoken to.

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