Player Report: Bill Carson

[Urytion]

Your Byond Key: Urytion

Your Character Name: Tracee 'Quick Clot' Parker

Accused Byond Key(if known): Fitchace

Character Name: Bill Carson

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): Round ending at ~12:20 central time.

What rule(s) were broken: Roleplay Standards "All personnel employed by the USCM are mentally stable and physically fit for duty. They would not desert their post or go against the USCM without a good reason."

Description of the incident:

There was some sort of admin event where we had PMCs selling contraband weapons and equipment, which CMP Jack Knight later confiscated, including a combat synth which he arrested and placed in isolation. He had ordered the combat synth to knock down the CMP as a "test" during which he apparently tried to cuff the CMP to steal the confiscated equipment back. On multiple occasions Bill went into the brig to release the synth, including one time where he pulled together a few sympathetic armed marines to storm the brig with him, which resulted in him being temporarily arrested. He also fabricated false arrest reports against me, and had Darius (forgot last name) help him in his attempts to completely subvert marine law. During all of this there was also a possible mutiny from Charlie who he had taken money from, the round was still ongoing (without an effective command because I was trying to deal with his nonsense). He sold the USCM Synth (Yuki) to pay for all this. When I told the CMP about some of his plans, he ordered an SO (Ysabel Buttersworth) to report that I assaulted him, and when that failed, he ordered both of us to deploy and locked the armoury so we couldn't even get proper equipment.

I'd call this a mutiny rule violation, but technically Carson was in command so it wasn't a mutiny. He was blatantly using the fact that you can't arrest a CO without faxing HC (which we did and didn't get a response) to break multiple laws. It was ahelped just as the round ended to no response. It's really pushing the boundaries of LRP, and COs are supposed to be help to a higher standard.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): Witnesses, log dive, and Sora9657 has a video which he has said will be posted when it is ready.

How you would punish the accused: Removal of CO Whitelist

[coroneljones]

Posting as the listed CMP and Witness to the round, mostly listing the issues that I was involved in or witnessed:

-Before briefing, Carson proceeded to drop four crates of ammo in briefing and two grenade boxes before running off, when they were confiscated he attempted to get them back before being warned, and left. Later on in the round when the brig was empty he took them and had the synth deliver them planetside.

-He allowed every marine, before briefing, to loot requisitions freely, the Requisitions Officer threatened to cryo due to this, and eventually did I believe. Soon after the threat the CO added a "you cant be in there once this time is reached" and stated a time, soon before briefing.

-Carson bought the above mentioned contraband, after being warned that it was contraband, and had requisitions move it, I took one of the crates to the brig to sort out what was contraband and what was not, while Carson was fighting with my MP over the other crate, eventually trying to drop it via a supply drop which we managed to stop to sort it out.

-The Synth, unknown to everyone else, was exchanged for the Combat Synth, it was later brought to the brig as me and my fellow MP were sorting out the contraband, where Carson had ordered it to subdue us as he cuffed us, I downed the synth and was moving to cuff it, before it grabbed a gun and smacked the other MP that was already handled, possible accident.

-Once the synth was thrown in the brig, the Commander ran in and opened the shutters to its Iso-Cell to attempt to free it, before running off.

-Later on the Executive Officer, the reporter, informed me that the Commander was planning to enact fake crimes and inform the MPs to distract us, accusing the Executive Officer of commiting one soon after telling us. When the Executive Officer was not arrested, he attempted to order them to deploy, I was informed of this as I wrote my fax to request an arrest.

-While Charlie was taking someone hostage, and Me and my MP were overflowing with work, the Commander came into the brig leading a mob of random marines, including a Cargo Tech and a Maint Tech with guns, to attempt to free the Combat Synth, eventually resulting in their arrest, some of them even drew guns, later it was stated that Carson ordered them to not use lethals.

A fax was sent as the round was ending due to how busy the MPs were, and sadly no answer was recieved, in the end I would say that Carson might have gone a bit too far over the line when he told the Synth to down the MPs, when he attempted to release it, and the final lynch mob act.
I do not have any logs sadly, since it was a pretty hectic round, and a long one.

[tobinerd]

CMO from the round, and while I didn't see that much of it, I still have an opinion.

Commander did indeed want to buy everything off the store. Though it was an event and honestly him wanting to buy all of it and get it deployed would just put some purpose to it, isn't alone worth a report IMO. The CO CMP war is a different issue though

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While I was standing by in CiC expecting wounded because of this CO CMP War, I only captured this to be relevant proof of what happened.

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While it does make sense for the CMP to confiscate contraband, what he did was excessive I think. It's like the CMP was thinking "ANYTHING NOT ORIGINALLY ON THE SHIP IS CONTRABAND". What's the issue that the commander buys special equipment? It's been done before that the commander has given some squads special treatment of equipment.

So I'm more leaning to the CO's side here, as much as I'm not a fan of Bill Carson IC. Also want to mention that the CMP was being overly strict that round, as he was kicking medics waiting for chems out of medbay just because it was before briefing. The medic doesn't have to sit in the chair at briefing from 12:00 right until briefing. You can still wait in line at req. And for medics, medbay is the second req. It's commonplace for medics to get chems before briefing, as long as they make it back for briefing in time.

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I also heard from other medics, that they were being arrested for doing nothing, but I have no proof of that.

[Grimreaperx15]

I was Ysabel Buttersworth during this round, and while I'm posting as a witness, I personally am very conflicted on this report, so I'll keep it to the facts.

I didn't enter the round until about 12:40-50ish, and thus didn't see anything to do with Req, although I know there were logistical problems getting supplies to the planet.

I can confirm that Carson broke nearly every law there was to break, although with that said, I do not believe he did so maliciously. I felt that he was within the spirit of the event, wanting to do something with all of the equipment he had purchased (which required a fair bit of effort on his part to get everyone to chip in).

With that said, I can also confirm Carson ordered me to report that the XO had attacked him, which I did do, although phrased it a bit less dramatically than Carson had wanted. Afterwards, he did order me and the XO to deploy, although I never actually did.

I really don't know how to feel about this entire situation, as it all seemed to be roleplayed properly, and no one was hurt or taken out of the round as a result.

[Avalanchee]

First of all,

It all started when Jack took 4 AP boxes from brief that Bill ordered for marines (literally 80% of all req points), Everyone got extremely pissed because the MPs were softgriefing the entire USCM like always.
That started a fight between Bill and Jack, Carson allowed marines to enter req and gave out all attachments to show Jack that he doesn't accept his bullshit.

Few minutes later the trading crew arrived, we called Bill to buy some cool equipment and he did. He bought the entire shop and allowed marines to gear up - Then MPs decided to softgrief the entire force again by stealing the supplies and arresting marines for contraband.

Then I deployed planetside.

I don't think Bill did anything wrong when it comes to OOC rules, he broke the law - yes, but nobody had a problem with it (except our beloved shipside role) it was roleplayed well and people enjoyed it. Marines were all happy cause they had Type 71s and Pred gear and Event roles had fun roleplaying.

I would NOT punish Bill, this entire conflict was ignited by Jack by doing his shenanigans

[coroneljones]

First of all,

It all started when Jack took 4 AP boxes from brief that Bill ordered for marines (literally 80% of all req points), Everyone got extremely pissed because the MPs were softgriefing the entire USCM like always.
That started a fight between Bill and Jack, Carson allowed marines to enter req and gave out all attachments to show Jack that he doesn't accept his bullshit.

Few minutes later the trading crew arrived, we called Bill to buy some cool equipment and he did. He bought the entire shop and allowed marines to gear up - Then MPs decided to softgrief the entire force again by stealing the supplies and arresting marines for contraband.

Then I deployed planetside.

I don't think Bill did anything wrong when it comes to OOC rules, he broke the law - yes, but nobody had a problem with it (except our beloved shipside role) it was roleplayed well and people enjoyed it. Marines were all happy cause they had Type 71s and Pred gear and Event roles had fun roleplaying.

I would NOT punish Bill, this entire conflict was ignited by Jack by doing his shenanigans

Just a few pointers

-The 4 AP Boxes didnt start a fight, atleast as big as what happened towards the end, the Commander tried to take them back and I just warned him that I would report what he did to High Command.

-NOBODY was arrested for contraband, even if they should have, I had an MP stationed at the shop to handle it since I spent a good amount of the round in surgery, in crit on the dropship or AFK in my office for IRL stuff until Bill bought everything at which point it was all HIS contraband, and would require a fax, we just confiscated it when someone bought it.

-Some people had a problem with what he did, atleast the RO earlier during the Req raid, that they went as far as threatening, and actually doing so I believe, to cryo.

[Fitchace]

So this is a report on me by the XO, the XO woke up late and didn't really have a handle on the situation during the round.

Began with me ordering some ammunition and having a marine put it in briefing for easy quick access because there was no RO or CT until very late.

Then the CMP confiscated the USCM supplies in briefing because they were not secured. Or in other words permanently takes the supplies not secured and stash them in the brig never to be used for the entire round which was extremely frustrating.

As a result I gave a temporary pass to all marines to req to take all the supplies they needed because req is a secure area and the CMP could not permanently take any more supplies away, also it allowed marines to get ready quicker.

The round continued and I tried to take back the supplies and was warned by the CMP. The supplies got delivered to LZ1 by the synth BUT HOWEVER THESE WERE CONFISCATED BECAUSE UNSECURED and the synth recollected the 4 or 5 boxes of AP mags and 3 boxes of grenades per orders of the CMP and redelivered back to the dusty evidence storage of the brig.

Then I have a report we have some merchants, long story short after doing some trade deals and negotiation I am able to buy the entire store. My goal was to have req collect all these thing up and ship them down.

HOWEVER ALL THE ITEMS APPARENTLY NOT ISSUED BY THE USCM IS CONTRABAND and thus 70% of the supplies get...CONFISCATED!!!!!

Bill Carson became really annoyed at the CMP for deciding he needs to go above and beyond the call of duty for his mp duties. So with the help of another marine and a new combat synth he instructs them to disarm the mps with the intent to cuff them, take back the hard earned and deserving supplies the marines need. (well they didn't need it because they won without them) and send them all to the planet and once completed the mps would be uncuffed and the CMP would most likely fax high command of my behavior and something would happen.

The plan of course does not work the new combat synth gets confiscated because its not USCM property.

A little bit later I get a larger group of marines pictured in the complaint above and instruct them same as before, however we also where trying to free the combat synth a very powerful weapon that could of been used.

The XO did not like what was going on and decided to report my new plans when I was preparing for take 3 of saving the synth and supplies. So I attempted to get the XO arrested through a false complaint because she was not on board with my plans.

So now that I could not trust the XO I order her to the planet with an LT that gave a very poor false witness statement. Apparently they committed insubordination and never went.

I don't think this is a mutiny violation at all.

Bill Carson was being patriotic to his country by all means necessary to get the best possible supplies to his marines, and the only way to do that was to go through the CMP. Bill Carson was ready to serve a little prison time if it meant a few more marine lives saved.

Then the round ended I think.

[Avalanchee]

Just a few pointers

-The 4 AP Boxes didnt start a fight, atleast as big as what happened towards the end,

So they did.
That started the entire memery.

Delta comms were flooded with angry marines,
Bravo SL wanted to Mutiny against MPs, same with Charlie.
Bill made a command announcement where he tried to trigger you by using "her" instead of "his" and making you look like a girl.

You had a proxy war.

He also had a speech in brief that mentioned you.
anyways everything will be in logs.

[Bancrose]

I'll pull logs on this at some point. Another councilman will comment on this app.

So please respect rule 2 from here on out.

[Sora9567]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpH27psDbZU&feature=youtu.be

Edit: I was the RO who cryo'd in the beginning of the round due to irreconcilable differences with the CO's orders. As for the whole situation, I would say that Jack Knight caused the situation to go out of hand: the CO bought the "contraband" himself, supervised the intended supply drop himself, and ordered the drop himself. If the CMP had a problem with whether or not the legality of the situation, he should've faxed High Command over whether or not the Commander is allowed to do it.

Reedit: Removed incorrect information: it was the MP that tased the CO, not the CMP.

[Emeraldblood]

Sorry for the later response on getting to this. Either way, I don't see these events are warranting OOC repercussions. All actions taken were interacting with the event going on ICly and between the CMP and CO. I've also talked to the CO council about their opinions and the majority vote was that no lines were crossed requiring a punishment. As such, the events of this report will be left IC.

Resolved - Closed; No OOC actions required.