Staff Report: Bancrose

[George Melons]

Your Byond Key: GeorgeMelons

Your Character Name: Mature Sentinel (566)

Their Byond key: Bancrose

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): Friday November 16 2018, 6:15 CST

Which Staff Protocols (http://www.cm-ss13.com/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=5647) were broken: 2. Investigate the situation, 5. Determine the punishment. (fixed the broken link for you too!)

Description of the incident: I was a Sentinel in the hive, guarding a captured B18 marine in a nest (Erika 'Wolfe' Waden). This player constantly escaped despite being shoved in the nest by myself to reset the disarm timer, which is an exploit. I have personally been shove spammed in nests to prevent escape plenty of times, I'm not an alien-only player so I have experience with this exact scenario. I let everyone know in LOOC I was going to use an autoclicker to keep them in the nest due to the nests basically doing nothing to this particular person (autoclickers are standard with every Razer mouse, such as my Death Adder, and as I told Bancrose, provides NO advantage to a player on CM whatsoever because of the server's in-built click timer, it's simply so my hand doesn't get tired). I then enabled the autoclicker and continued to disarm them in the nest, and Erika again escaped.

I was then accused of powergaming which, IMO, makes absolutely no sense since I have gained 0 advantages whatsoever due to the aforementioned click timer, even if I set the mouse to 1 million clicks per second, the server only accepts one. I was further told that Erika trying to get out of the nest wasn't their fault (despite it being an exploit) and I was given a 24 hour ban. Bancrose made no effort to do anything to the other person who is exploiting bugs to free themselves, unfairly banned me despite my breaking of no rules whatsoever, and then refused to discuss anything once I pointed out that I had done absolutely nothing wrong. Complaining about someone exploiting bugs in LOOC and attempting to prevent them from doing it any further shouldn't be looked down upon.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): I can't pull my own logs due to being banned, check around the date and time given for evidence. It was a rather short incident.

How you would punish the accused: Deadminned for failing even the most basic of admin tasks: getting the full story before passing judgment, and ignoring the rules and regulations an admin is sworn to uphold.

[Lumdor]

I was the one who told Bancrose to ban you, as you admitted to using an auto clicker to keep another player in the nest as a xeno. You were obviously power-gaming and abusing an outside program to get an advantage. This report is nothing but salt, and to be honest you should be banned longer for what you did.

[George Melons]

You were obviously power-gaming and abusing an outside program to get an advantage.

All Razer mice come standard with an autoclicker. It's not an outside program, and I fail to see how it constitutes powergaming. What advantages have I gained?

[Deanthelis]

It bears mentioning that tackling down a human in a nest has no effect on their ability to resist out of said nest. It does not reset the resistance timer nor does it stop them from breaking free.

I will let Lumdor explain why your mouse's nonstandard drivers count as an external program if he sees fit.

[George Melons]

It bears mentioning that tackling down a human in a nest has no effect on their ability to resist out of said nest. It does not reset the resistance timer nor does it stop them from breaking free.

Then how come when I am nested and I type resist, an alien comes over and disarms me once, and I then have to resist to start the process all over again? You're also moving the goalposts by now claiming that I'm using illegal mouse drivers, when your initial complaint was that I was using some sort of external cheat program. You still haven't explained how I am getting some sort of "powergaming" advantage either. I'll go ahead and paste the rule from the wiki itself:

"Rule 5. No powergaming - Powergaming includes performing actions outside your assigned job or chosen character’s abilities. Your skills or RP background prior to the round do not matter - a standard marine with "a brother in Engineering" does not know how to hack an airlock."

[Lumdor]

I'll say that an auto-clicker and trying to use it for an advantage like you did is quite abusive. Though SS13 has something in-place, where auto-clickers can't really be abused trying to use it to keep someone in a nest, is quite abusive. Though if what Dean say's is correct than what you did, did not mean anything at all and I apologize for you being banned. Though I will note you did have a note for being a multi-keyer and griefer from over a year ago, which I will mention here.

[Lumdor]

I will note that an auto-clicker is something that can't really be abused but it can be abused in certain situations, which the player you were trying to keep in the nest thought you were doing. Though you admitting to it kinda put you in the hole as here we don't approve of outside programs helping you in-game.

[Lumdor]

Notes:

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Renouned Griefer, /VG Ban-lists have muiltikey bans and metagrudge, as well as they're p-banned from most SS13 servers for abusing glitches to get past the bomb-caps and crash servers, gave them a friendly, but strong warning. Said they have no ill-intentions but aren't the best roleplayer. Keep an eye on em'. by X on Thu, August 3rd of 2017

Warned to change name next round, george melons by X on Sat, August 5th of 2017

Banned by bancrose|Duration: 1440 minutes|Reason: Powergaming, Arguing in ahelps. And admitting to powergaming. LOOC: Mature Sentinel (566): jesus christ this is retarded, i'm setting up an autoclicker for this one. Also using LOOC to be a dick. by X on Fri, November 16th of 2018 Remove

[Eliteempire]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

What the fuck report is this and how do I become a master like you.

[George Melons]

I don't remember multikeying or ever griefing CM, this incident I thought was my first ban here, but I do remember telling Feweh a few choice words in adminhelp after he banned me from playing my own character. That's offtopic however.

More to the point, I can agree that my intention was malicious and I didn't even need the autoclicker and shouldn't have toggled it in the first place, but I maintain my stance that it didn't do anything to give me any sort of powergaming advantage, and ultimately resulted from rage because disarm wasn't doing anything. Anyone could have just said "stop doing that" or asked "why are you doing that?" and I would have gladly explained my position. As far as the nests are concerned, and you telling me that alien disarm doing absolutely nothing isn't an exploit, how are people escaping from nests while being disarm spammed then? I don't see anything on the wiki about a special command to free yourself, and I have never been able to get out in any way except typing resist and hoping nobody sees you for 120 BYOND seconds.

[Lumdor]

Mostly he based his ban off you admitting to using an auto-clicker which is a big no. Also the fact that you had a note about being a multi-keyer and such. That kind of put the final nail in the coffin, and I agreed. Though a report is kinda un-necessary, as in my opinion, he could have banned you longer. Just never use an outside program again, and if you would have been smart you would have not admitted and said you were using one.

[George Melons]

It's not an outside program, it's built into the mouse. It's literally not even a program in the first place. Furthermore, there is nothing in the rules that says ANYTHING about not being able to use certain mice or keyboards, or any hardware restrictions in general. I'm appalled that this legitimate complaint was moved into the trash forum too, and that you care that I have been permabanned on SS13 servers for things I did almost ten years ago, which is in no way a reflection of my behavior here, almost A DECADE later. Was I wrong about someone exploiting? Yes, that was my fault. Did I deserve to be punished? No, because I did nothing wrong. Nobody has provided any proof yet of me doing a single thing wrong, or violating any rule. Your only claim is that I am using "outside programs" when, as I stated at the beginning of this post, it's literally not even a program.

Next, you are going to accuse me of rules lawyering, aren't you? I'm just trying to defend my position using the rules YOU folks created, and get an admin who jumps to conclusions punished.

[Emeraldblood]

Literally powergaming and using an external tool to get an advantage, of which you admitted to using. If you didn't think it would make a difference, you wouldn't bother to use it. Don't use it in the future. Resolved and closed.