Staff Report : Killjaden

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Your Byond Key: JeanManche

Your Character Name: Praetorian (83) (Warrior (83) at that time)

Their Byond key: KillJaden

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): The round just ended.

Which Staff Protocols (http://www.colonial-marines.com/viewtop ... =57&t=5647) were broken: 5 et 6 (Punishment and Pin notes)

Description of the incident: I decided to play with my friend as Xenos, because of the mutators update rendering marine gameplay as painful.
So, we decided to make a warrior gang, for the fun of making it and punching marines to death.

It seems like during the round, Ventyas, my co-warrior, got PMed by Killjaden, for metacomming with me. Which isn't the case, because we were metabuddying.
We followed each other every time, we didn't lose sight of each others, and when we did, well, we just rallied back to Queen, or on the frontline until we saw each other again. I wrote IC indications/orders to impulse movement when we were at a resting position. If he moves, I follow. If I move, he follows. That's just our rule of conduct (like marines).

Metacomming is using OOC comms to gain an IC advantage, for example : telling to my friend that there are marines at my location, while he is not near me, without using the hivemind.

On this situation, I was just playing with a friend. Because it's a multiplayer game and I want to play with him. Just like runner gangs or lurker gangs form up. Just like marines following other friendly marines without barely talking, because they want to play with people they trust.

Regarding pure facts :
- https://gyazo.com/6af87c8b37de6c136c17f6e317b96c58
- This is the only trace of what could be reported as "meta" as I stated that I wanted to stay warrior with Ventyas, instead of evolving as Prae.
- This trace doesn't involve metacomming as using OOC intel for IC gain. It is a trace of metabuddying.
- PM of KillJaden was stating that what I said was a proof of metacomming, while it is metabuddying.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): Well, logs of the PMs, and the screenshot above.

How you would punish the accused: I just want the note removed. Metacomming =/= Metabuddying. I play with friends, because that's what I seek to do after a day of work.

[ThesoldierLLJK]

Logs

Ahelp sent

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[10:00:20]ADMIN: HELP: XXXXXX/(Elder Queen): Just trying to make sure my only two warriors aren't metacomming. Did they speak to one another? Because one of them told me they'll both stay warrior. And I've never heard the other one say that to the other. And the fact that they're lipsing in a hivemind worries me too. - heard by 6 non-AFK admins.

Alien saying logs by JeanManche

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[09:47:30]HIVEMIND: JeanManche/(Young Warrior (83)) : Also east.
[09:47:40]HIVEMIND: JeanManche/(Young Warrior (83)) : Two breaches in the fog.
[09:57:06]HIVEMIND: JeanManche/(Mature Warrior (83)) : Thissss sissssster doesn't need nor require to be a Praetorian cassssste.
[09:57:33]HIVEMIND: JeanManche/(Mature Warrior (83)) : The other sisssssster doesn't need nor require to be a Praetorian cassssste. Both warriors sisssssters will stay warrior casssste.
[10:04:08]SAY: Mature Warrior (83)/JeanManche : This sisssster wants to punch.
[10:07:43]SAY: Mature Warrior (83)/JeanManche : This sisssssster needs to rejoin the Mother.
10:07:48]SAY: Mature Warrior (83)/JeanManche : Hive i-
[10:07:54]HIVEMIND: JeanManche/(Mature Warrior (83)) : Thisss sisssster shalll obey.
[10:08:26]HIVEMIND: JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83)) : Thissss sissster obeyed. And this sisssssster is now a Praetorian cassssste.
[10:08:47]SAY: Young Praetorian (83)/JeanManche : Thisss sissssster needs to move.
[10:08:54]SAY: Young Praetorian (83)/JeanManche : Praetorian casssste.
[10:08:57]SAY: Young Praetorian (83)/JeanManche : Orders from the Mother.
[10:11:08]SAY: Young Praetorian (83)/JeanManche : We attack.
[10:12:11]SAY: Young Praetorian (83)/JeanManche : We follow the Mother.
[10:14:02]SAY: Young Praetorian (83)/JeanManche : Eassssst of the Containers.
[10:14:07]SAY: Young Praetorian (83)/JeanManche : Sisssster, let's get them.

Killjaden PM to JeanManche

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[10:14:45]ADMIN: PM: Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales)->JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83)): Herro, Not sure if your buddy Ventyas told you already, But you both are receiving a warning for Metacommunications.

Metacommunications is against our rule. It is a bannable offense.
I am leaving it as a warning for now. As it looks very minor to me. Next time will be a ban however.

[10:15:35]ADMIN: PM: JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83))->Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales): Consider that I will report this on the forums. As it is metabuddying, not metacomms. We play together, nothing more. We use only IC information that we write IG and ICly. Have a nice day.

[10:17:23]ADMIN: PM: Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales)->JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83)): If you feel this is wrong, Then please do so on the forum.

[10:17:30]ADMIN: PM: JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83))->Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales): I will.

[10:18:17]ADMIN: PM: Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales)->JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83)): Has been warned for Metacommunicating with Ventyas, A buddy of his.
Minor metacommunication, Has been told next meta will be a ban.

[10:18:38]ADMIN: PM: JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83))->Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales): Also, by the way. You only communicated with my friend, and not discussed with me nor anything about my situation except for the final result of your communication with Ventyas.

[10:20:57]ADMIN: PM: Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales)->JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83)): If you want, I can explain the situation to you.

Warrior 83 told the Hivemind that both warrior 28 and Warrior 83 decided to stay Warrior cast. They've been reported on the suspicion of Metacommunication. Rule 6.

After checking the logs, There has been no word about it at all. That's the situation.

[10:22:37]ADMIN: PM: JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83))->Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales): I said to queen that I stayed as warrior. Your investigation failed. Then, Queen ordered us to be praetorians, so we became praetorians.

[10:29:14]ADMIN: PM: JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83))->Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales): Oh yeah, my bad. Yeah, I only told that in Hivemind that we both wanted to stay as warriors. As a statement. My friend would have been able to deny my statement any time, he didn't. ____________________ What you accuse us is metabuddying, not metacomms in a proper form. If you have heard of runner gangs and lurker gangs, they usually go that way. Anyway, I will wait for round end to make a proper report for this.

[10:31:21]ADMIN: PM: Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales)->JeanManche/(Young Praetorian (83)): It got repoted, I've checked about six times now. I feel it's a rather minor thing but needs to be dealt with. And gave the bare minimum of punishment I felt comfortable with.

But yeah, Feel free to write up a report on the forums.

Ventyas alien say logs before killjaden spoke with them

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[09:34:51]SAY: Bloody Larva (28)/Ventyas : MOMMA
[09:34:56]SAY: Bloody Larva (28)/Ventyas : GOING FOR WARRIOR
[09:54:16]SAY: Mature Warrior (28)/Ventyas : HELLO
[09:54:19]SAY: Mature Warrior (28)/Ventyas : CUTIE!
[09:54:25]SAY: Mature Warrior (28)/Ventyas : MONSte
[10:00:10]HIVEMIND: Ventyas/(Mature Warrior (28)) : My host was French... FUCK OUI OMELETTE DU FROMAGE
[10:03:54]SAY: Mature Warrior (28)/Ventyas : Rest my sister OUI OUI

Killjaden PM log with Ventyas

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[10:06:59]ADMIN: PM: Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales)->Ventyas/(Mature Warrior (28)): Alright. So, A quick question. Did you and Warrio 83 discuss the that you both stay Warriors? As Warrior 83 told the hive that you two are staying Warriors, Correct?
[10:08:05]ADMIN: PM: Ventyas/(Mature Warrior (28))->Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales): yup? we are friends playing together. However, we do not metacomm or any shit
[10:09:33]ADMIN: PM: Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales)->Ventyas/(Young Praetorian (28)): Well you basically just did exactly that. Warrior 83 did say that you two decided to stay warrior casts. However there was no word exchanged between you two about it.

Metacommunications is a bannable offense.
However, I'll be putting a big note on you two and warn you two for this matter.
[10:10:37]ADMIN: PM: Ventyas/(Young Praetorian (28))->Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales): You should tell him because I can't tell him as we aren't on vocal
[10:11:28]ADMIN: PM: Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales)->Ventyas/(Young Praetorian (28)): Yeah, I'll do that. Just keep in mind. No metacommunications. Next time it'll be a ban.
[10:12:07]ADMIN: PM: Ventyas/(Young Praetorian (28))->Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales): Mate we just agreed on playing warriors together and I just told him with a pm that I was 28
[10:12:20]ADMIN: PM: Ventyas/(Young Praetorian (28))->Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales): This is considered as metacom???
[10:13:03]ADMIN: PM: Killjaden/(Jayden 'Support' Morales)->Ventyas/(Young Praetorian (28)): Well sorry but rules are rules. Metacommunication is against our rules.
I am already being very lenient and leaving it at a warning for now.

[Chatillon]

Heya! Ventyas (second warrior) here.

I just wanna add that at the round begginning, I told that I was going for warrior (as shown in the logs) and as all larvas were around the Queen, my friend heard it IC too. So the fact that JeanManche told that we were willing to both play warrior is kinda legit in terms of IC knowledge even if I did not personally thought about it at the moment of the mod PM.

[Killjaden]

I am going to be perfectly honest here, It is a very minor issue yeah. At the time I just handled it quick and because a player seemed to be bothered by it. Though I am just gonna say,I could have just investigated, Asked. And not apply any punishment. It's a very minor issue and not really that big of a deal. At the time I thought I would apply a note and warning to avoid possible future "Metabuddying" / Metacommunication. Looking at it now, it seems a little silly so removing the note should be good.

[NGGJamie]

Okay, I've gone in-game and confirmed that the notes pertaining to this incident were already removed from both Ventyas and JeanManche by Killjaden.

Based on what I can perceive from this incident, it does seem like it was ill-investigated compared to how it should have been. However, these are the sorts of things we bring new moderators on as Trials for. It can be easy to get caught up in trying to enforce the rules properly, that one rushes themselves into thinking that a punishment must be applied, or they aren't doing things correctly. The reality is, it is better to assume the best of people and not apply a punishment unless you're sure. Particularly if the damage inflicted by the issue is minimal.

I myself had the same happen to me during my trial, thus I can't really hold this against Killjaden unless it keeps happening. Given that he realized his mistake on his own, and worked to rectify it himself, I honestly do not foresee a repeat of this incident.

Resolved.