Player Report - Solidfury

Dions · Post by **Dions** » 26 Dec 2018, 21:49

Your Byond Key: Dionsu

Your Character Name: Kate Wooley

Accused Byond Key(if known): Solidfury

Character Name: William Jester Crimson

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central US Time for fastest results): 6:27pm MST 12/26/2018

What rule(s) were broken: Broke Marine Law as CMP (arrest procedure, insub, disrespect)

Description of the incident: I decided in my infinite wisdom to wear red basketball shorts today. CMP sees me in it and tells me to go change. I'm surrounded by marines as we are on the dropship at the time. As i try to push people out of the way so i can go change, the CMP then flashes me without telling me i'm under arrest or that i should get on the ground(ill drop this report instantly if somewhere in the logs he did), whereupon my marine comrades try to drag me away. this prompts the CMP to charge back on the shuttle while it is dropping and stuns a couple people trying to get to me. At this time the plan is remain still cus I dont want to turn a simple "get dressed" order into a brigging.

When i get up he pulls out the baton, which leads me to run (on an enclosed shuttle with absolutely no chance of escaping) while trying to scream "I'M COMPLYING" and throw some disarms so they would hopefully realize their berserk state and the fact that i was trying to comply (not gonna defend this, clear cut resisting, but i would like to insist that this was after the first instance of broken procedure, breaking trust in the CMPs professionality and restraint) The shuttle lands and the mass of marines push me out of the shuttle. as soon as they pass me by i stand motionless at the doors and begin typing. This is taken as the signs of a masterful escape and i am summarily batonned into unconciousness, and then given one more stun for good measure.

When i wake up, my character has some less than polite things to say having been fried into oblivion. "WHAT THE FUCK IS YOUR PROBLEM?!" "WHAT THE FUCK DID I DO YOU PSYCHOPATH?!", and eventually the CMP informs me that i need to cool off in the brig. At this time i still havent been told to lay on the ground once , my charges, or even that im being arrested at all, just that the CMP has me in handcuffs.

Later in the round he ordered the XO to make an execution announcement and supposedly refused to do so because they were writing an evac announcement for the marines, and the CMP then arrested the XO for "Disorderly Conduct" before he could finish writing out the evac announcement, causing numerous marines to get killed due to a delayed evac. The CMP later was spitting scathing, disrespectful remarks to the XO when he was pardoned and brought to the CIC, shit talking command and being snarky to Command staff, openly insulting the XO while in the CIC.

He also ignored direct orders from the CO to hold the brig and escaped in a pod. [Hearsay, forgive me]

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): Sorry, lost everything when my connection went bad mid brigging. Everything questionable happened on the dropship in front of a lot of marines, and later in the CIC.

How you would punish the accused: CMP ban. this behavior is borderline grief, something that a player i recognize from so long ago should understand, especially one on staff. This isn't how CMP players should be acting.

Survivor · Post by **Survivor** » 26 Dec 2018, 21:59

I was the CO this round. Aliens were quickly tearing down the FOB, when I ordered the XO to call evac. While he was doing so, the CMP asked about an execution to which I quickly said was authorized.

God forbid, this execution's announcement causes the CMP to arrest the XO for not letting him make the announcement, because he was busy announcing the evac. This causes the evac to not be called, the POs are slow on the launch due to it. Basically, the actions killed a bunch of marines. After the botched evac which I barely survived, I hear Lts. screaming about the "CMP Mutinying". I get up to find him announcing the execution, and everyone explaining how the CMP stopped the XO from calling the evac. I instantly pardoned the XO, and told the CMP about how his actions were ridiculous, and how it caused many marines on the ground to die. He proceeded to insult the XO because he "wouldn't put the execution on the announcement".

Later that round, aliens are coming up with over 40 because of all of the captures of the failed evac. I told Crimson and his men to hold the brig, because we needed it to not get flanked. Of course, he runs off and evacs with the excuse that he was moving SSD and wounded to the evac, even though I called for only civilians to evac.

It is really disappointing to see a well known CMP would go completely insubordinate on me and my XO over a simple announcement.

solidfury7 · Post by **solidfury7** » 26 Dec 2018, 22:21

I can sum this one up quite easily. You were stunned after I gave a verbal warning for you to go get changed. You proceeded to attempt to run but got caught in a help intent chain after moving a few steps. I stunned you and attempted to pull you out. A few people decided to play around as the usually do and try make my life difficult, mainly the Charlie SL and Shepard.

The only way I was going to get out of a dropship with nearly every marine was if I stunned one or two people, who were either blocking the exit or pulling the prisoner away. You manage to almost escape via the south dropship exit after we land (claiming you were pushed but everyone else minus 3-4 scattered players were nearby) but I stunned you as you reached the area near the fences.

But yeah, you were a non-Compliant Suspect and you were being treated as one, after I gave you a verbal warning to leave the ship to get changed. You were spouting off insults and whatnot to me after I was just going to bring you up to get changed, so I decided to take you to the brig to cool off. Throughout the conversation, my character was more or less polite, even offering you choices in coffee, tea.

I decide to waive the other charges and resisting arrest charge because I didn't want to keep you out of the round for too long. 10 minutes is far lower than what you should have got, considering resisting arrest would have doubled that at minimum (which I waived)

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Regarding the XO situation, we were given permission by the Captain to authorisation an execution of a prisoner who attempted to murder my character upon release, as this is a marine law issue, we had full authorisation to use the announcement system. We approached the XO and inform him that we have authorisation from the Captain and we require the announcement to be made. He refuses, so we talk some more, we offer to have it added to the next announcement, and the next, he outright refuses nearly everytime. He even attempts to order us into the hanger VIA another announcement, rather than merely announcing what we told him, which was about one line long. We tell him, if he refuses to do it, we will make the announcement, so I nearly do so, he proceeds to push me out of the box, we warn him again, he does it again and begins to claim that the "MPs are mutinying", he is stunned upon my request by my MP and taken to the brig.

Regarding the insulting the XO, thats simply roleplaying. I was shot inside the brig, called for help and nobody came. At the very worst I called him incompetent, as even during this roleplayed situation, I didn't want to rock the boat. (Logs will show this)

Regarding the evacuation, I was moving wounded marines from medical, when the dropship landed next to me, I escaped somehow and Bronte and I fled east because we knew medical ladders would be swarmed in seconds. There is also no rule regarding Military Police choosing to evacuate, and was permitted and clarified by the staff team online)

Not to sound blunt but, a lot of this just seems like an ill attempt at using technicalities to try to catch me out, (X didn't set my timer BEFORE putting me in the cell, pls job-ban) It just seems incredibly forced, hell, I could see the XO thing being confusing for the captain who just arrived on the scene but the rest of it is outright laughable if its a report done in seriousness.

Dions · Post by **Dions** » 26 Dec 2018, 22:26

"I can sum this one up quite easily. You were stunned after I gave a verbal warning for you to go get changed. You proceeded to attempt to run"

So i was supposed to teleport to prep that instant? How was i supposed to follow that order without leaving the dropship? Do you see the problem here? This is exactly what i meant by you not letting me comply with your orders.

You told me to leave the dropship and then arrested me for trying to leave the dropship.

solidfury7 · Post by **solidfury7** » 26 Dec 2018, 22:44

I grabbed you (People were doing that meme pull everyone on one tile thing) and was dragging you towards the exit, when you attempted to run.

No idea why you'd try make it sound like you were being the perfect marine. You literally just got ahelped for attacking someone with an e-prod the current round occurring now because they didn't give you attachments.

Regardless. I'll wait for the logs.

Dions · Post by **Dions** » 26 Dec 2018, 23:09

Should you be posting current round info? Or ahelps for that matter? I'm not defending my conduct in this or other situations, and frankly don't feel that I need to in this thread. Feel free to make a player report on me for any uncouth behavior on my part if my actions are objectionable to you. I also resent the use of your admin powers to discredit my character in a player report i've lodged against you, i'm sure the responding admins will bring my ahelps up if they feel it necessary.

Edit: https://i.imgur.com/TgSRPHc.png this is the post I was responding to.

Mann handle · Post by **Mann handle** » 27 Dec 2018, 02:18

Lt. Houston this round.

Right for the original claim. From what I gathered was that you were arrested for insub due to you refusing to get changed when told to and then went off insulting an officer. While I didn't hear you insulting nor did I see you with no uniform on (lack of a helmet plus I was busy juggling two over watch consoles (one of which was your squad) and the announcement system till the captain made it on deck) I did hear the Captain mention that the CMP was deployed and was giving a bollocking to the CMP because he was on the planet. This means that the Alamo had launched at that point and the CMP was taken along for the ride. Which corroborates the fact the arrest proper took place on the planet at that point. Details on that one are limited as I wasn't present and generally not paying attention.

For the 'arrest' of the XO, I'm not exactly sure as to what happened there. The XO was making announcements while I was blasting comms out for orders (mostly pestering MT's to load the OB for the boink I gained as described in this thread viewtopic.php?f=64&t=19607&sid=325469ca ... eb23297130, for dropping an OB on bravo's supply point under duress of bravo and command. Some meta things or whatever), anyway I aware however that Solid wanted to make an announcement and a couple went by. The talk you had I don't actually know about and the execution was not announced which was why Solid was in CIC. By the time he actally dragged you away I popped the question in the command channel asking about the XO's arrest to which I got no real response but the Captain did actively ask what it was all about. The timing on this is important, I asked the question as soon as I saw you pass me while I was at charlie's overwatch table. It was only 30 seconds or so before the captain showed up and started asking questions over the radio. However I think the CMP was in CIC for around 5-10 minutes and that's closer to the 10 minute mark for the announcement which the announcements from that point to the 'arrest' never included the execution.

As for Solid evacing. I was strolling past south upper medical just after the alamo crashed into the ship and saw Solid dragging a marine out. The words he said was RUN! as the alamo had landed extremely close to lower medical at the time, the only routes we could take from that point was CIC or pods. As solid was dragging a marine on a roller bed we picked pods with me covering him. At that point Delta, an MT and myself were ignoring the Captain's order to have everyone in the CIC donut unless you were a civilian. Solid as the CMP had next to no real options while dragging a marine around to get him evacced which tbh is the correct RP response for anyone to do. When we got to the junction at south pods delta and the MT in question barricaded the lot up and we held until we were all forced to evacuate to which I think only one person didn't make it out. We only just made it as well, if we delayed a little we might have been picked off as we came under attack within moments of us making it to the checkpoint delta was guarding.

Slywater · Post by **Slywater** » 27 Dec 2018, 06:36

Logdive:

Dionsu's log:

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Solid's log:

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Enigmachine · Post by **Enigmachine** » 27 Dec 2018, 07:08

Survivor wrote: ↑
26 Dec 2018, 21:59
I was the CO this round. Aliens were quickly tearing down the FOB, when I ordered the XO to call evac. While he was doing so, the CMP asked about an execution to which I quickly said was authorized.

God forbid, this execution's announcement causes the CMP to arrest the XO for not letting him make the announcement, because he was busy announcing the evac. This causes the evac to not be called, the POs are slow on the launch due to it. Basically, the actions killed a bunch of marines. After the botched evac which I barely survived, I hear Lts. screaming about the "CMP Mutinying". I get up to find him announcing the execution, and everyone explaining how the CMP stopped the XO from calling the evac. I instantly pardoned the XO, and told the CMP about how his actions were ridiculous, and how it caused many marines on the ground to die. He proceeded to insult the XO because he "wouldn't put the execution on the announcement".

Later that round, aliens are coming up with over 40 because of all of the captures of the failed evac. I told Crimson and his men to hold the brig, because we needed it to not get flanked. Of course, he runs off and evacs with the excuse that he was moving SSD and wounded to the evac, even though I called for only civilians to evac.

It is really disappointing to see a well known CMP would go completely insubordinate on me and my XO over a simple announcement.

Do you remember when I told you over Discord vchat once that a certain someone that we'd both had bad dealings with would take advantage of situations of incomplete knowledge to try and manipulate others with? That is exactly what I perceive the XO tried to do with you to us in the round in question.

The logs will correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I saw at least one of the XO's announcement be the evac order. So from my perspective on the scene it looked like the XO was committing Disorderly Conduct because he was intentionally obstructing our department's operations of the ship. I didn't name the charge in an arrest or anything at first, though. Staff will see me mention it in passing in the CIC though. I later named that charge while taking XO to the brig just to have one for propriety's sake since CMP had ordered me to handle him (I have no memory of cuffing or stunning him). I hadn't heard CMP name a charge himself so I felt it necessary to, understanding at the time that it was likely he'd be cleared one way or another with it ending up being a pardon.

It did not play out like this below.

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It was a long-term fiasco that the logs will show fully. There were at least 3 announcements made during the dispute and I kept pointing out that any or a future one could also just include a blurb about our execution, which we OOC'ly HAVE TO DO OR ELSE.

Lastly on Survivor's remarks: There was no 'men.' It was just me. Me and the CMP the whole round. I as the only line MP did get conflicting orders at crash time; CMP wanted me to escort civilians out, which was pointless since medbay (or at least Alice Hek and Sydney Wood) decided to die on the ship and also Delta was chickening out and hogging the pod doors. Meanwhile CO wanted me to guard the CIC.

On the Wooley aspect of this it sounded at the time and now like he got the perception that you, Wooley, were running away and acted in accord with that. Sometimes that's just how it be with MP's, and that first drop of a round is the most stressful, hazardous time of all to have to deal with anyone 'cause you don't know, if they lynch you in the confines of that DS, whether staff at the time will actually look into it or smash that IC Issue button. So, did you say anything prior to starting to move? Logs will show it for sure but in your own account it looks like he fussed at you and you just ran, which was promptly misinterpreted as defiance or worse.

Survivor · Post by **Survivor** » 27 Dec 2018, 15:56

Enigmachine wrote: ↑
27 Dec 2018, 07:08

I understand the XO was probably being a hardass, because of the entire evac situation. I can't remember exactly what I said about it, as my logs weren't pulled, but I'm pretty sure I told the CMP to "Give me a minute" for me to finish evac and call the execution. I may be wrong here.

Despite this, the XO wasn't wrong to hold off on the announcement until all of the marines were safe. Of course, the XO was falsely spitting mutiny over the arrest, but if someone ran into the CIC in the middle of evac telling you to not call it and instead announce an execution that could wait, then detaining you because you were in the middle of the announcement, you'd be saying some negative things too.

Calling the XO Incompetent to his face and not listening to him to hold off on the execution is also insubordination, which is a crime. Just thought i'd point that out.

As for the brig things, I understand it's a "After crash" scenario to which most OOC rules affecting the CMP/MPs are gone. I thought I'd mention it as there are no clear rullings here.

solidfury7 · Post by **solidfury7** » 27 Dec 2018, 16:18

Survivor wrote: ↑
27 Dec 2018, 15:56
I understand the XO was probably being a hardass, because of the entire evac situation. I can't remember exactly what I said about it, as my logs weren't pulled, but I'm pretty sure I told the CMP to "Give me a minute" for me to finish evac and call the execution. I may be wrong here.

Despite this, the XO wasn't wrong to hold off on the announcement until all of the marines were safe. Of course, the XO was falsely spitting mutiny over the arrest, but if someone ran into the CIC in the middle of evac telling you to not call it and instead announce an execution that could wait, then detaining you because you were in the middle of the announcement, you'd be saying some negative things too.

Calling the XO Incompetent to his face and not listening to him to hold off on the execution is also insubordination, which is a crime. Just thought i'd point that out.

As for the brig things, I understand it's a "After crash" scenario to which most OOC rules affecting the CMP/MPs are gone. I thought I'd mention it as there are no clear rullings here.

I never told the XO to not call an evacuation, and to instead announce my execution, claiming so is laughable when the logs are bloody there.

I literally told him he can attach it to any one of his announcements (He proceeded to make 4 more which were literally the usual "Hold the line" meme with no actual strategic value), please do read the logs again because you're outright wrong in this situation. And no, you didn't say "give me a minute until evac blah blah", you simply said "Approved" and then went silent for a good long while despite me screaming about being shot in the brig and the fact I needed medical treatment.

Also, the lawyering saying "Well, uh, technically you b-broke the r-rules in this roleplayed situation because you d-d-didn't act like a subservient s-synth and was mean!" is silly, its like complaining that an MP broke a window during a roleplayed situation, so you want them job-banned. It's dumb. If you want me to expand on that, calling him incompetent wasn't an insult, it was a fact in crimsons eyes, especially because he was screaming mutiny and opposed a legitimate MP action and if given more time, I would have said the same in a fax to high command.

Extra fun fact, XO cannot over-rule the CMP on marine law, in fact, in matters of marine law, the XO is outranked.

Please read the logs before you sprout factually incorrect shite, because this is a waste of my time and its a waste of time for everyone involved. If you've got legitimate grievances with stuff, that is totally fine, state them, but don't post without reading the bloody evidence and logs if you want to comment on a situation you were not even there for. My lord.

Enigmachine · Post by **Enigmachine** » 28 Dec 2018, 08:59

Crimson didn't say "The XO is incompetent" or similar to their face; he said it to me after one of the several times I asked out loud about why we weren't combining announcements. I don't know if the XO themselves heard it or not, but it wasn't addressed to them.

Grimcad · Post by **Grimcad** » 29 Dec 2018, 14:36

The first issue I think is a matter of perceived intent. After Crimson told you to go get dressed you he grabbed you. You then broke out of his grip and went in the, presumably, opposite direction, which could reasonably be perceived as your attempting to run and not comply with his order for you to get dressed. And that justifies your arrest as a non-compliant suspect to me. You did attempt to explain to him that you were not running after you were tazed, but I am afraid at that point your intent to run was established first. He gave you a shorter sentence that would have been earned by your insults, which further shows evidence to me of him not intentionally griefing you. It appears that he did tell you your charge before it was set. [19:26:31]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson/SolidFury7 : For now, we'll call it one case of insubordination. [19:26:33]SAY: William 'Jester' Crimson/SolidFury7 : Ten minutes.
No action will be taken on this count.

SolidFury7 bringing up confidential staff information, that Dionsu had received an ahelp against them, is inappropriate and will be handled by the Mentor Manager Jerkface00.

The next issue is a little bit greyer but after discussing it with the rest of the management team we believe that the XO could have taken the seconds required to either add the message concerning the execution to one of the evac messages or simply allowed Crimson to send an announcement on his own. Failing to do so was essentially keeping Crimson from doing his duties.
No action will be taken on this count.

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