Staff report: dorkkeli

Clutch · Post by **Clutch** » 27 Dec 2018, 08:03

Your Byond Key: bramb23

Your Character Name: Broden ''BIG DOOKIE'' Ackers

Their Byond key: dorkkeli

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): About now

Which Staff Protocols (http://www.colonial-marines.com/viewtop ... =57&t=5647) were broken: 2 did not properly investigate and incorrectly handling the situation

Description of the incident: I was a delta standard marine and went to Briefing where everyone was opening christmas presents, i saw a machete laying around and grabbed it then a charlie marine (Lynn something) kept running after me saying I stole it and that he/she wanted it back, i told them to fuck off and stop crying icly multipule times. After a while I was standing around with a couple of other marines and I had my flamethrower in my hands wielded and on, the charlie marine then ran up behind me and disarmed me the flame went off and said marine pushed me into the flames trying to kill me, I procceeded to grab my gun and shoot them which resulted in them dying. Dork then started pming me asking me to explain what happened, i explained the situation brief and simple which he must have taken as ''Snarky comments'' ''Terrible attitude'' He then told me he was going to rule it icly, then he pmed me again, told me he'd rule it ICLY again and said I should ahelp it next time, and then finally he pmed me saying he was going to hit me with a one week ban, when it was clearly an IC issue not even roundstart shenanigans I simply stole a machete and there were MP's around. I feel like the ban is unjust and that Dork did not investigate this properly he simply wanted to slap a 7 day ban of it because I replied with ''Ok cool''. I'm fully aware of my shitty note history and previous bans but I dont think this shouldve ever been a 1 week ban

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

The logs will most likely be pulled showing what happened, the charlie marine even admitted to trying to kill me in deadchat.

How you would punish the accused:
Up to the staff themselves, i'd like to get my ban and note removed

Dorkkeli · Post by **Dorkkeli** » 27 Dec 2018, 09:44

Bramb.

You were causing shit at roundstart, and ended up gunning someone down.
Your note history is nothing great to look at, and as stated, your comments came back as snarky and your attitude seemed like you did not give a damn.
Your previous roundstart note was from a week ago, and you are by no means a new player: you should know better, after all these notes and bans.

I'm waiting on managers to comment, I do not have much else to say at this point.

Clutch · Post by **Clutch** » 27 Dec 2018, 09:55

Dorkkeli wrote: ↑
27 Dec 2018, 09:44
You were causing shit at roundstart, and ended up gunning someone down.

Like you most likely found out there was good reasoning for that, what you describe as causing Shittlery at roundstart was merely an IC issue which was escalated by the other player.

Dorkkeli wrote: ↑
27 Dec 2018, 09:44
Your note history is nothing great to look at, and as stated, your comments came back as snarky and your attitude seemed like you did not give a damn.

It obviously isn't great but that doesn't mean that I should be threated like this, my comments were not snarky and my attitude was certaintly not that ''I did not give a damn'' I kept it plain and simple with you because it was an IC issue and I didn't want to waste your time, obviously you must think that ''Ok cool'' means something but it doesn't, i'm not going to be more ''Remorsefull'' because you said you weren't going to ''ban me'' for an IC issue.

Dorkkeli wrote: ↑
27 Dec 2018, 09:44
Your previous roundstart note was from a week ago, and you are by no means a new player: you should know better, after all these notes and bans.

I'm obviously not a new player that's true, my notes are terrible also. But that doesn't mean that everything I do is a rulebreak. This was an IC issue and you escalated it to a 7 week ban which is litterally asking for a perma almost.

Dorkkeli · Post by **Dorkkeli** » 27 Dec 2018, 09:58

We have been cracking down on all shitlery that happens at roundstart.
You caused shit at roundstart, you get punished for that. Combination of that and the general attitude and note history got you the grand total of 7 days.

Slywater · Post by **Slywater** » 27 Dec 2018, 09:59

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Clutch · Post by **Clutch** » 27 Dec 2018, 10:17

Did this player also get noted by Dorkkeli? Or was it ruled as an IC issue for them?

edit; [05:29:26]ADMIN: PM: Dorkkeli/(Bert 'SOAB' Beach)->Bramb23/(Broden''BigDookie''Ackers): Broden, what do you do when someone griefs you?
I also don't appreciate the fact the way you talked towards me in a very demeaning way like i'm some child, highly unproffesional even for a mod.

x31stOverlord · Post by **x31stOverlord** » 27 Dec 2018, 10:47

I am going to put this in here:

Rule 4. No griefing - Griefing is the intent of one player wanting to cause grief or annoyance to other players or the server without a valid roleplay reason. If Staff believes that the player’s intent is to grief, then action will be taken whether or not it was the player’s intent. Any damage to the station or players caused by griefing can be repaired at an Admin's discretion. If you are being griefed, don’t retaliate - Adminhelp it and you’ll get healed. Shooting a griefer can cause you to get in trouble as well, and the combat logs you’re generating make it harder for Staff to prove who the real griefer is.
End of Round Grief (EORG) is fighting and generating any combat logs with friendly players after the round ends and is an immediate 3-hour ban without warning. Exceptions are between normal enemies, such as Marines and Aliens, Marines and UPP, etc.
Major shenanigans that may disrupt the normal flow of the round are not allowed at roundstart. This includes big or lethal fights, briefing brawls, riots, and massive equipment restrictions.

Whilst you may not have started the issue on purpose, as they did disarm you, the fact you immediately went straight for the kill without even attempting to Ahelp is something that you should be aware of as a long term player.

Dorkkeli · Post by **Dorkkeli** » 27 Dec 2018, 12:08

Clutch wrote: ↑
27 Dec 2018, 10:17

Did this player also get noted by Dorkkeli? Or was it ruled as an IC issue for them?

Player in question was heavily warned for this. They were never revived and/or they ghosted, to my knowledge. That was punishment enough, and since you provoked them to do that, I felt they had a lesser part in this. Also, their note history gave me the picture they do not have a tendency to cause problems. Thus the lighter sentence.

Dorkkeli · Post by **Dorkkeli** » 27 Dec 2018, 12:15

Clutch wrote: ↑
27 Dec 2018, 10:17

edit; [05:29:26]ADMIN: PM: Dorkkeli/(Bert 'SOAB' Beach)->Bramb23/(Broden''BigDookie''Ackers): Broden, what do you do when someone griefs you?
I also don't appreciate the fact the way you talked towards me in a very demeaning way like i'm some child, highly unproffesional even for a mod.

Also this. I asked an honest question from a long time player who failed to follow procedure and ahelp the griefer.
Please do some self reflecting on the matter, you are in no way innocent.
Anyhow, if the message came across demeaning in some way, I wholeheartedly apologise, since it was not my intention. You have not previously been offended by cheekily worded PMs.

Clutch · Post by **Clutch** » 27 Dec 2018, 12:28

Dorkkeli wrote: ↑
27 Dec 2018, 12:08
Player in question was heavily warned for this. They were never revived and/or they ghosted, to my knowledge. That was punishment enough, and since you provoked them to do that, I felt they had a lesser part in this. Also, their note history gave me the picture they do not have a tendency to cause problems. Thus the lighter sentence.

A 1 week ban you get, and you? oh well you ghosted that's enough punishment.

How is that not bias? even with the history in place.

Clutch · Post by **Clutch** » 27 Dec 2018, 16:18

For those that missed what 420 said good thing I managed to to have it open on a different tab, show's what kind of staff members i'm dealing with.

Note history and attitude. Same deal with dealing with cops IRL. You make their job tougher don't go expecting preferred treatment. You were pulling your usual "be a shitter until someone gets annoyed and farts in my direction so i can blast them away" memes. For someone who's as good at skirting the rules as you are clutch you'd think you would know them abit better. Don't be upset just coz someone actually dealt to you for once rather than not. You know your reputation and the shit you pull i ain't here to drag you across coals but this shit is seen way too often from you. Man up and accept the punishment and accept that hey you fucked up and It didn't work well for you. End of the day you retaliated to grief with grief and shot someone dead, got smarmy to the mod ahelping you, and actually copped some flak for once.

Ever think that maybe staff have a bias for you because you're a known shitter? And maybe we're sick of it, not just from you but the rest too. You said yourself that it was basically fallujah that round. And you add to the trouble? Food for thought bud

I'm not dealing with cops here, never asked for preferential treatment just equal treatment like I said I got a terrible history and alot of those bans are notes are a 100% justified you're taking this out of context, "be a shitter until someone gets annoyed and farts in my direction so i can blast them away" I really dont get with what you're saying here but I suspect it has something to do with the Discord memes. this comment alone show's what kind of opinion you have as a staff member and its terrible, I'm not good at skirting the rules otherwise I wouldn't be here now would I? seems that you have some sort of grudge against saying a line like that. Not upset either just find it unjust. My reputation is what my reputation is it's not great but I don't see how that has anything to do with this report as I'm fighting a ban I feel unjustified should you be treathed differently aswell if people thought or said stuff about you? Manning up and accepting the punishment is something I always do unless I feel it's unjustified, end of the day I did what I felt was right and Dorkkeli did what he thought was right, if that means banning me for a week and not even noting or banning the person that was the ''Griefer''' then that's that.

Sure they might have a bias but like I have been saying i'll report if I feel it's unjustified have I reported or fought off all my bans and notes? No because my postcount would be slightly higher then wouldn't it?
Yeah the Fallujah comment was something that was afterwards, it had nothing to do with me.

You posting this just show's what kind of attitude you as a staffmember holds and it speaks for itself.
I have my suspiciouns that 420 had something to do with my ban as they were present during the round and most likely persuaded Dork to ban me after he ruled it ic twice.

maybe some f o o d f o r t h o u g h t

Grimcad · Post by **Grimcad** » 27 Dec 2018, 19:13

There are several issues here and I will be dealing with them in the order that I am seeing them.

Is this round start shenanigans? Yes I believe so. You started by disarming one marine several times, presumably over stealing a present. Then you stole another marines weaponry. After the marine disarmed you a few times you brandished your lit flamethrower. What was your intent in pulling out your flame-thrower? At this point I can only assume it was not good. You misfired it due to a disarm and were pushed into the flames. Then you proceeded to shoot said marine 10 times with AP rifle ammo and bash them once with said rifle.

Is this improper escalation? Yes. Retaliating like that is not appropriate. We say time and time again on this server that if you are griefed, do not take action, ahelp it instead. You are a long time player, you know this.

The next question is weather or not a 7 day ban was appropriate. I do believe so. Clutch, you have more warnings and bans just for round start shenanigans and improper escalation that I care to admit. Typically players are given three with escalating ban times, until finally they get perma-banned on the fourth rule break. But you are still doing the same things for which you have only received slaps on the wrist for. If anything staff has gone much lighter with you than almost any other player. Enough is enough. Please. Take this one to heart and change. The seven day ban will stand.

Was it appropriate for Dorkkeli to reveal to you, in this report, the punishment of another player? No it was not. Punishments and notes are meant to be private between a Player and the Staff Team, unless something calls for it to be released, such as an appeal. He has been talked to about this.

Were the comments from 420MYK appropriate? No, they were not. A staff report is meant to be between The Accuser, The Accused and the Management Team. He will be spoken to accordingly.

Resolved. 7-day ban will stand.

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