Wielder Tanks

[RED119]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary): One of the most frequent
meta-gaming acts I have seen when admins are not on is this. Marines, when they run out of grenades or don't have them for that matter,push wielder tanks into a nest at a xeno and shoot. So I think they should either be made non-pullable or made fixed to a wall and have their sprite changed, something like the virus food dispenser.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole): This will help make a meta-gaming action not really as prevalent, as the marines already have plenty of explosives (i.e. grenades and mines)

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc): Not much here, besides what I listed.

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): I could be very wrong, its been a long time since I looked at ss13 code, so excuse me if this sounds insolent, but I dont think its that hard to to adjust something to make it non-pullable, the other option is a bit more involved with no real substantial benefit over the other, so I would recommend the first option.

[NijiShadow]

I'm not entirely sure how using something that would clearly be explosive is a form of metagaming, however it does break rule 9 in that it causes breaches, so I don't think there should be any extra steps taken to prevent this, if it happens, it's an IC issue and will most likely be handled by staff anyways.

[MedicInDisquise]

Hi, I'm a person who uses likes this tactic.

Honestly, I think we should keep Welder Tanks as it is. It does/can cause breaches, which is a breach of Rule 9. However, I feel it's quite a good improvised weapon when the Marines are on a last stand and have no grenade resupply. It doesn't do gigantic collateral damage and doesn't even kill alien nor marine easily either.

[Sargeantmuffinman]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary): One of the most frequent
meta-gaming acts.

An improvised explosive is an improvised explosive. AND marines all together have just have 10 grenades (2 for each squad leader 2 in secure crate) as well as seeing that imo I have rarely seen a squad leader throw a grenade. Mines I've only seen them used on the sulaco. And I don't think it would be meta but correct me if I am wrong. (also how is it meta?)

[RED119]

I view it as meta because of how many explosives the marines have and after talking to some admins it is frowned upon to wielder bomb, not sure if its bannable

[Infernus]

Welder tanks are as same as frag grenades. They have the same damage, range and devastation(They can both cause breaches).

[coroneljones]

Welder tanks are the poor mans and survivors frag nade

Also...something tells me you dont know what metagaming means...

[RED119]

ow... my feelings, and metagaming is any tactic that goes beyond pre-dictated rules. And after seeing some people banned for pushing and pulling wielder tanks I think it may qualify

[NijiShadow]

Metagaming is using information your character should not have, like welding vents before a xeno vent-crawls.

[speedybst]

You're thinking of powergaming, which is playing to win; things like the field medic that just happens to have an advanced medical scanner built into his head and instantly know that a marine is infected, what they are infected with and how to remove it.

[Butterrobber202]

Red... Welder bombs are a last man tactic. Like if you have 5 warriors breaking through robo's window you fire off the welder tank in there

[Juninho77]

You're thinking of powergaming, which is playing to win; things like the field medic that just happens to have an advanced medical scanner built into his head and instantly know that a marine is infected, what they are infected with and how to remove it.

And here I was thinking that it was some sort of secret common knowledge among medics...