Logistic fails

[Sligneris]

Your Byond Key:
Sligneris

Your character name:
Jaylen Fryer

Approximate time and date of the incident (CET):
19 May 2015, 22:30-22:40

Description of the incident:
So my friend, Maffinka, playing as Megan Mercer was assigned to a role she had no idea how to play as - Logistic Officer. Both me and Derpislav tried to help her. First Derpislav, playing as Lockie Hughes literally climbed over the table to show her how to do that. Then, I walked up to her just like a normal Marine (or Researcher in that case - I was already assigned), so that she reassigns me as LO, while I assign her to Research afterwards.

...Except that she failed to do so and instead I became a Researcher that has access to Command Offices. Trying to fix that up, I tried to get to computers in the Logistics only to be kicked out (despite formally being given privileges to do so by LO), and then when I politely walked up to another LO in order for him to fix that mess, I was immediately told that "I will not be LO" and I was ordered to get out of the line so that I can be arrested - I asked what are the charges and got only "Commander's orders".

Frustrated by maneuvering all over the place in order to get some simple things settled just to be unable to play for a large part of the round, I decided to simply suicide there and watch the whole thing as a ghost, maybe help out as a pAI. Instead, I got banned for that.

While I do not know his or her name, I'd like to report the Commander of that round - denying me a job and arresting me for no real reason, aside from apparently punishing me for trying to fix up someone else's mistakes.

[Derpislav]

I'm sorry.

[UnknownMurder]

You didn't use the entire format. Not much we can do to investigate.

[Butterrobber202]

THINK if you got banned maybe you should put something in say? Ban appels

[SASoperative]

Yeah.... This is a place to report Players. If you were banned than this is not the right place to be posting this.

[Davidchan]

While I do not know his or her name, I'd like to report the Commander of that round - denying me a job and arresting me for no real reason, aside from apparently punishing me for trying to fix up someone else's mistakes.

I know I'm not a mod or anything, but it does seem like Sligneris is making a complaint, not a ban appeal. Though, through this complaint, I imagine they seek to prove the ban was unjust or wrongly applied.

[Caryl]

I see a player complaint here, not an unban appeal. Sligneris is in the right place, lads. Listen to him.

[SASoperative]

Well.... Either way there is NO WAY to investigate this without the name of the person who they are complaining again (AKA the Commander) There is literally nothing I can do in this situation without a name....

[Davidchan]

Well.... Either way there is NO WAY to investigate this without the name of the person who they are complaining again (AKA the Commander) There is literally nothing I can do in this situation without a name....

Well, we know when the ban was placed. Is it at all possible to go back and look into the 30 minutes to an hour before it was applied and view the interaction?

[SASoperative]

Well, we know when the ban was placed. Is it at all possible to go back and look into the 30 minutes to an hour before it was applied and view the interaction?

No its not because even if we did we can not go back and see the EXACT manifest to see who the Commander was. This is why its so important to get names and or screenshots, If we had a name we could do something but since we do not we can't do much in this situation. This will be moved in 24 hours unless someone can give a name of the Commander.
This will be moved in 24 hours if we do not get a name in 24 hours. Apologies

[Officialjake]

Ok, I was the commander that round.

The reason why I didn't allow you to be a logistics officer was because I was told by the MP's and an LO that you tresspassed into logistics and stole a uniform.

Also most of the marines at the time were assigned and we had two logistics officers.

So based on the what I knew IC'ly at the time (The theft of the LO uniform and the tresspassing) I made a decision not to have you be assigned to LO.

I feel this complaint is unfounded as, 1) Everyone got assigned in a timely manner, 2) The round ended about an hour to a 1 1/2 hour later with a marine victory.

I refused your assignment based on the IC information that I had from my MP's and LO's that were on the bridge and instructed the MP's to carry out Marine law; I.E. have you arrested for wearing an LO uniform that you took from the bridge when not an LO and tresspassing.

Then "because you got frustrated" you committed suicide which is a violation of rule 3. I banned you for an hour and told you to review the rules because you didn't seem very familiar with them and that hour served as time for you to get familiar with the rules before returning in the next round.

By the ban expired before or just after the next round began.

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This complaint is based off information that I could not know IC'ly at the time as NONE of the people on the bridge ever mentioned that you were going to be taking over a LO position, so IC'ly from my perspective it appeared that you tresspassed into Logistics stole a uniform and had an ID with additional access.

[Officialjake]

Here are all relevant logs IC logs from that situation. Please keep in mind the only contact I had with Sligneris was at the very end I and was only acting based of what was being told to me by my MP's.

About 99% of the conversation between my and my LO's and MP's at the start is over radio's. I only speak in person to anyone involved towards the very very end because I was doing the briefing.

[15:25:00]SAY: briankada/Briankada : There's a researcher in Logistics..
[15:25:14]SAY: sligneris/Sligneris : I wanted to be LO
[15:25:20]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : Escort them out. If they do not leave charge with tresspassing.
[15:25:33]SAY: briankada/Briankada : Out.
[15:25:34]SAY: sligneris/Sligneris : Failed to assign me properly
[15:25:42]SAY: briankada/Briankada : You have five seconds before I arrest you for trespassing.
[15:25:49]SAY: briankada/Briankada : One.
[15:25:51]SAY: briankada/Briankada : Two.
[15:25:53]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : John.
[15:25:55]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : Are you dumb?
[15:26:00]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : The LO assigned him wrongly.
[15:26:09]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : He IS an LO, but is still called a marine.
[15:26:12]SAY: briankada/Briankada : He's still trespassing..
[15:26:17]SAY: briankada/Briankada : And he has Logistics access.
[15:26:19]SAY: alexwarhammer/Alexwarhammer : The only Thomas Cook here is the Thomas Cooking grenades, son.
[15:26:19]SAY: Wolxy/(alien drone (777)) : Made some distractions at the bar.
[15:26:22]SAY: Ghost/Topatoking : the hivelords and the carrier
[15:26:35]ATTACK: Jaylen Fryer (sligneris) punched Megan Mercer (maffinka)
[15:26:50]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : Breifing is in one minute.
[15:28:03]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : Chill.
[15:28:04]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : LO's no more alpha. Bravo Charlie and Delta need more.
[15:28:29]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : All unassigned marines that are not at the LO desk in 5 minutes will be arrested and dragged there.
[15:28:31]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : Yes?
[15:28:43]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : Researcher
[15:29:05]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : Thanks.
[15:29:10]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : Ok breifing will begin now.
[15:30:04]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : Uh, sir?
[15:30:13]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : I'm... going to climb over there...
[15:30:17]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : You rmission is to board the Nostromo and find out why the station has gone dark and what caused the distress signal in the first place.
[15:30:18]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : Don't.. arrest... me...
[15:31:02]SAY: sligneris/Sligneris : The Gold one needs to be reassigned to me, as LO
[15:31:15]SAY: sligneris/Sligneris : The Green one, to Megan, as Researcher
[15:31:23]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : Alpha squad you will set up a FOB in arrivals then procede to the bridge. Bravo will head to engineering and assess the stations systems. Charlie and Delta will go to the brig and see if any security teams are still alive.
[15:31:42]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : Alright marines get a move on!
[15:32:00]SAY: sligneris/Sligneris : Commander?
[15:32:20]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : If they seem competent make them an LO.
[15:32:33]SAY: briankada/Briankada : They don't.. Considering he was trespassing in Logistics just before.
[15:32:40]SAY: briankada/Briankada : He's even dressed himself up.
[15:32:46]SAY: briankada/Briankada : What shall I do with him?
[15:32:57]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : Arrest them and confiscate the LO uniform.
[15:33:00]SAY: derpislav/Derpislav : Motion detector.
[15:33:13]SAY: briankada/Briankada : Jaylen, please step out the line and get down on the ground.
[15:33:16]SAY: briankada/Briankada : You are under arrest.
[15:33:27]SAY: briankada/Briankada : Commander's orders. You'd best do it.
[15:33:28]SAY: sligneris/Sligneris : What are the charges?
[15:33:30]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : Jaylen.
[15:33:35]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : Where did you get an LO uniform?
[15:33:41]SAY: sligneris/Sligneris : Megan gave me
[15:33:47]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : You will not be an LO.
[15:33:48]SAY: sligneris/Sligneris : I was supposed to take over as LO
[15:33:52]SAY: officialjake/Officialjake : Surrender the uniform.
[15:33:57]SAY: briankada/Briankada : You don't become LO without Commander's say.
[15:34:09]SAY: briankada/Briankada : Ositma. Remove Logistics access.
[15:34:09]EMOTE: Jaylen Fryer/Sligneris : <B>Jaylen Fryer</B> seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless...

[Sligneris]

Actually, Megan Mercer gave me her own uniform and when I requested a reassignment from another LO, she was right there beside me, confirming it. Both me and Derpislav kept explaining as much.

[Officialjake]

Actually, Megan Mercer gave me her own uniform and when I requested a reassignment from another LO, she was right there beside me, confirming it. Both me and Derpislav kept explaining as much.

You're missing the point. I was never informed of this. So I never new of any prior arrangements, neither were the MP's that were ON the bridge at the time.

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Besides the IC circumstances of what happened, the reality is that you will not get the job that you want every round and sometimes you either play a different job or you go the sleepers and ghost to be either a special job like pAI or an Xeno.

For example, I usually play MP, Sulaco Medic, or LO. Rarely do I play commander. Sometimes I cannot get these jobs because I didn't get them at round start, so does that mean that I commit suicide right infront of the LO desk by putting a gun in my mouth? NO. I either suck it up and play as a marine OR I go to the sleepers then ghost and wait to be an Xeno (because I don't play as pAI's).

[SASoperative]

So uhmmm. Have you two worked this out or what...? I need to know so I can move this if so.

[Sligneris]

Officialjake:
Like I said, my biggest problem back then when I suicided wasn't that I couldn't be LO - my problem was that I was being arrested for requesting that.

SASoperative:
Don't know. Personally, I consider most of it simply an unfortunate misunderstanding and the biggest problem for me was really just the fact that I was punished for all of it.

[Officialjake]

Officialjake:
Like I said, my biggest problem back then when I suicided wasn't that I couldn't be LO - my problem was that I was being arrested for requesting that.

SASoperative:
Don't know. Personally, I consider most of it an unfortunate misunderstanding and the biggest problem for me was really just the fact that I was punished for all of it.

I would like to lay this matter to rest, however I need to reiterate this, you were not arrested for requesting to be an LO, you were arrested because based on the information from my MP's that were on the bridge it appeared that you had stolen an LO uniform and tresspassed on the bridge.

I DO see this from your perspective, but you need to see it from mine and the limited information that I had at the time as well.

As for the ban, it was for rule 3. Instead of suicide you could have just as easily gone to the sleepers and ghosted. It appears based on the ban appeal you just made for a new ban you still don't fully understand the "no crazy marines" rule.

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Had I not been doing a briefing and been busy coordinating the marines to victory, the circumstances would have been different. But commanders have a lot to do and heavily rely on their underlings, the LO's and MP's to do more of the general operations of the Sulaco.

Like I said before a similar circumstance happened to me where I wanted to be LO but was spawned in as a marine, when I went to logistics and was told the only job I could have is being a marine I accepted that and didn't blow my brains out at the LO desk over a trivial issue.

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I would never instruct MP's to arrest someone for requesting a job because not only is that just blatantly wrong, it's not even an offense in marine law. However you were not arrested for requesting to be an LO you were arrested based on the knowledge that the MP's had at the time.

[Sligneris]

Yes, I know of that. Again, how does it change what I said? I made it clear I consider it a misunderstanding, yet I'm still blamed as the only guilty one. Frankly, you should have checked the locker before accusing anyone of stealing from it.

Also, don't even get me started on the other ban, this costs me enough nerves already. As always, my debut in any community starts with a shitload of embarrassment and immediate reputation loss, this hardly surprises me anymore.

By the way, I can't take the "no crazy marines" rule seriously ever since I was killed by one that went on insane genocidal rampage with witnessing suicide as the only excuse and a mod told me that it's okay. Even one of the guys condemning me now called it a "masterfully roleplaying insanity"... I'm sorry, but I simply can't take these "rules" seriously after that, when they seem to apply to me alone.

It seems it's not settled after all. Like I said, SAS, do what you want with it.

[SASoperative]

I will talk to Jake about this a bit more in the future but I am going to move this to resolved because it appears to be resolved on THIS matter at least.

[UnknownMurder]

Resolved. Sligneris's ban has expired. It seems to have worked out. Moving.