Septimius

[Gromoi]

Your Byond Key: Gromoi

Your character name: Makarov Lesha Volk

Their Byond key: Septimius

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 7:43 (8:43 EST)

Which Admin Protocols (http://goo.gl/fBUQGG) were broken: 2. Preserver the RP and enjoyment of the server

Description of the incident: The first chestburster of the day came in, and so I went ahead and scanned him, I was putting anesthetics on (it didnt set internals a couple times so it took far longer than it should), and he chestburst before I could complete the surgery. A marine who was nearby killed the larva and I went to go clone the body. A bit after that I got the screenshots I displayed. I am seriously amazed that I got bwoinked for being a normal person and using anesthetic. Ive played medic here time and time again as Boris Karamazov and he, ICly, doesnt use anesthetic as much when he deems something important. This is a different character and a different frame of mind, he, like most doctors, is going to use anesthetic even if you are internally bleeding. This is a completely IC issue and yet I was bwoinked, this is something I expect from a player in looc, not in ahelp.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):



How you would punish the accused: Just tell him that RP is important to this server, and that telling a character to meta or do extremly out of character things (like taking a patient seriously when he says its an emergency, EVERY PATIENT DOES THAT) is just ridiculous. I hate being a tattle tale but god this was just ridiculous, this station has an RP deficit as it is.

[.:LimoDish:.]

It isnt meta thank you very much and i said it was an emergency i was about to burst seriously
There was no time for ansthetics or all that crap i mean it was an 'EMERGENCY'

[Maurelius]

acter to meta or do extremly out of character things (like taking a patient seriously when he says its an emergency, EVERY PATIENT DOES THAT) is just ridiculous. I hate being a tattle tale but god this was just ridiculous, this station has an RP deficit as it is.

Yes, all doctors know the first thing to do when a patient comes in is to completely disregard what he says. Your argument is invalid.

[Derpislav]

All depends on one thing, was that marine the first ever to come back to Sulaco infected? If yes, there was NO WAY of the CHARACTER to know it was an emergency and he was on a time limit. "Oh cool, he has a parasite. Let me just grab my t-THEY MATURE SO QUICKLY?!"

[Gromoi]

Not disregard what he said, just not break regulation because he says something. I understand OOCly that it was an emergency (although there was no way for me to know how long it was till chestburst). This is an IC matter and there was no reason to be bwoinked and told im bad at being a doctor by staff for it. When a staff bwoinks you and doesn't sound happy/told you that you did something wrong, you kinda assume that they are considering banning you, so it was kinda stressful for me considering I just got off a 2 day ban. And yes derpislav he was the very first one

[Maurelius]

Not disregard what he said, just not break regulation because he says something. I understand OOCly that it was an emergency (although there was no way for me to know how long it was till chestburst). This is an IC matter and there was no reason to be bwoinked and told im bad at being a doctor by staff for it. When a staff bwoinks you and doesn't sound happy/told you that you did something wrong, you kinda assume that they are considering banning you, so it was kinda stressful for me considering I just got off a 2 day ban. And yes derpislav he was the very first one

No offense, but it seems like you have a very rudimentary and fundamental understanding of how a doctor works. Seeing as my father is a doctor himself, I can inform you that the first thing doctors, especially EMTs, (which you are, you are a medic), is always listen to the patient. The medic doesn't know what's happening to the patient, and even with the advanced technology we have today, they can only give limited diagnoses.

The patient's body is the patient's body, he can feel what's happening. Let's see, a patient gets in, screams "EMERGENCY!" and claims he is about to die. The first thing to do? Of course! Let's spend 5 minutes wasting time, putting on anesthetics, and COMPLETELY ignoring and disregarding the patient. That was sarcasm by the way. The patient is claiming his chest is about to burst, doesn't matter what it is, then the first thing you should do is perform bloody surgery on him, not wait for the anesthetics to be put on.

Your defense might be, "That's metagaming!" No, it's not metagaming, when someone's chest is about to burst, seeing as you are a medic, you can probably think of a few reasons that might be. Differences in pressure and temperature, pricordial catch syndrome, all things you are supposed to know as a medic. A chest bursting doesn't necessarily mean that an alien is about to come out of it.

[Derpislav]

Honestly, when someone's chest is bursting, anesthesia can be the difference between life and death. Thrashing around in agony with something+sharp, surgical tools in your chest...

Anesthesia during embryo removal should be only ignored if you've been informed about chestbursters IC, but that's just my opinion.

[Maurelius]

Honestly, when someone's chest is bursting, anesthesia can be the difference between life and death. Thrashing around in agony with something+sharp, surgical tools in your chest...

Anesthesia during embryo removal should be only ignored if you've been informed about chestbursters IC, but that's just my opinion.

That doesn't add up to Gromoi's explanation, according to Gromoi, he did not know it was an emergency, and he didn't know about the chest bursting.

[Derpislav]

...That's my point.

[Gromoi]

Anesthetics is only useless on a meta level, cause doing surgery without it really doesnt mean much. But IC someone is sawing at your chest, sowing it, slicing it, burning it, to do surgery without anesthetics is reserved for extreme emergencies, something I could have no knowledge of IC.

[Maurelius]

Anesthetics is only useless on a meta level, cause doing surgery without it really doesnt mean much. But IC someone is sawing at your chest, sowing it, slicing it, burning it, to do surgery without anesthetics is reserved for extreme emergencies, something I could have no knowledge of IC.

So on what basis did you perform surgery on him then? What was your professional diagnosis?

[Gromoi]

I used the advanced scanner and saw a foreign body in the chest. I was going to open up the chest and look inside. This is how I begin most every round, the first chestburster gets treated like another patient.

[Maurelius]

I used the advanced scanner and saw a foreign body in the chest. I was going to open up the chest and look inside. This is how I begin most every round, the first chestburster gets treated like another patient.

So a patient screams "EMERGENCY!", he's saying his chest is about to burst, you put him in the advanced scanner and notice a foreign body. Put two and two together, you realize that the foreign body is about to burst out of his chest. That is an emergency.

[Gromoi]

No? He says he is about to burst, to a doctor all that means is he feels pressure, there is a foreign object, so therefor that foreign object is causing the pressure. I didnt say "No im not doing the surgery" I just refused to not use anesthetic. Also, who has ever seen anything, ANYTHING, actually explode out of someone's chest? I did the correct prim and proper doctor thing ICly.

[Maurelius]

No? He says he is about to burst, to a doctor all that means is he feels pressure, there is a foreign object, so therefor that foreign object is causing the pressure. I didnt say "No im not doing the surgery" I just refused to not use anesthetic. Also, who has ever seen anything, ANYTHING, actually explode out of someone's chest? I did the correct prim and proper doctor thing ICly.

Yes, the foreign object is causing the pressure... Also, if it was an alien, you would notice it moving around the patient's chest, even if you didn't know what an alien was, you can sort of conclude what it is...

[Gromoi]

No, I didnt see it moving about, there was nothing IC to tell me that, also I havent seen the movie alien so I dont know. All I know is what the advanced scanner told me. Now maybe if something said "you see their chest buldging and moving" when you shift+click them, then that be a different thing, but thats completely meta knowledge as it is never iterated in the game.

[Maurelius]

No, I didnt see it moving about, there was nothing IC to tell me that, also I havent seen the movie alien so I dont know. All I know is what the advanced scanner told me. Now maybe if something said "you see their chest buldging and moving" when you shift+click them, then that be a different thing, but thats completely meta knowledge as it is never iterated in the game.

Well, in the movie Alien, the alien does move about the chest. I don't actually think it's possible to code a message about an event occuring in another player specifically to you. I could be wrong. But still, you would've seen the alien move.

[Gromoi]

I wouldn't, its not in the game anywhere, this is the literal first time ive ever heard about it. But of course in the future i'll use that, since it really does speed things up. Thanks for the info

[SASoperative]

... I will have a talk with them, This is very much just.... No.
Anesthetics being used is always a good thing, It shows that you actually have some damn care for RP instead of just putting them on a table and start digging around inside of them... Our staff should not be telling people how to play the game unless they are playing it wrong.

[SASoperative]

Resolved, I have spoken to him and given him proper warning. If something like this happens again, Come to me about it with screenshots etc or in a report again, This will be moved in approximately 6 hours from this post.