Aliens grab others aliens

[Jester]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):It simple you can grab others aliens

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):It will help a lot, when you got critical and the next tile are weeds and a runner come by he cant grab or pull you,if this is implemented it will help so much the aliens

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):You can only grab passive to prevent troll alien to neck grab you

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it):Code it

[Evilkyle24]

+1
I have wanted to pull a downed comrade out of the line of fire but couldn't.

[MrJJJ]

+1 on allowing yourself to grab TIER-1 and TIER-2 Aliens
-1 on able to grab TIER-3 Aliens (praetorian, ravager, queen, hive lord and those huge people) unless you are T-3 yourself, it does not make sense a small warrior can pull a incredibly heavy queen or ravager at insane speed

[Anon McAnon]

+1 on allowing yourself to grab TIER-1 and TIER-2 Aliens
-1 on able to grab TIER-3 Aliens (praetorian, ravager, queen, hive lord and those huge people) unless you are T-3 yourself, it does not make sense a small warrior can pull a incredibly heavy queen or ravager at insane speed

Grab drops you down to walk speed. Its not the same as pulling, there'd be no LELSANICFAST runners dragging ravagers across the entire map as if they're drop pods sending space marines or something. Hell, the ravager would probably be faster without the runner.

[MrJJJ]

IT STILL DOES NOT EXCUSE ANYTHING
If aliens are capable of grabbing other aliens, do not allow them to throw each other, or we have runner throwing ravagers across to the other god damn side as you try to rush to end him

[Anon McAnon]

IT STILL DOES NOT EXCUSE ANYTHING
If aliens are capable of grabbing other aliens, do not allow them to throw each other, or we have runner throwing ravagers across to the other god damn side as you try to rush to end him

What? You can't throw with passive, and a runner pulling a ravager would be slower than a ravager walking on its own.

[MrJJJ]

But you can throw with aggressive, and also
Why the hell would a ravager allow a runner to grab him to get him somewhere?
We talking about a situation when a fellow runner or someone goes down, and they not on weeds and in direct fire, marines stopped firing for some reason and you have enough time to get him out of there, but because you can't grab them or plant weeds, they end up dying

[Anon McAnon]

But you can throw with aggressive, and also
Why the hell would a ravager allow a runner to grab him to get him somewhere?
We talking about a situation when a fellow runner or someone goes down, and they not on weeds and in direct fire, marines stopped firing for some reason and you have enough time to get him out of there, but because you can't grab them or plant weeds, they end up dying

What? The OP says restrict the grab to passive, where are you getting aggressive grabs from? What the fuck are you on about grabbing people to get around? I never brought that up as a thing it'd be used for. I said it'd be worse than just walking and therefore a nonissue.

[MrJJJ]

What the fuck are you on about grabbing people to get around?

Hell, the ravager would probably be faster without the runner.

You kind of saying a corpse can move...

[Anon McAnon]

You kind of saying a corpse can move...

What the absolute hell are you even saying anymore? Where did I say a corpse could move? You said this was bad because runners could grab ravagers and carry them around. I said that isn't an issue because ravagers would move faster on their own than they would if a runner was taxiing them around. Grabbing = slow. Moving on their own = fast. Therefore grabbing ravagers to increase speed = nonissue. I am not talking about getting people onto weeds, I am responding to your statement that letting aliens grab would result in ravagers being pulled around.

[MrJJJ]

+1 on allowing yourself to grab TIER-1 and TIER-2 Aliens
-1 on able to grab TIER-3 Aliens (praetorian, ravager, queen, hive lord and those huge people) unless you are T-3 yourself, it does not make sense a small warrior can pull a incredibly heavy queen or ravager at insane speed
Grab drops you down to walk speed. Its not the same as pulling, there'd be no LELSANICFAST runners dragging ravagers across the entire map as if they're drop pods sending space marines or something. Hell, the ravager would probably be faster without the runner.
IT STILL DOES NOT EXCUSE ANYTHING
If aliens are capable of grabbing other aliens, do not allow them to throw each other, or we have runner throwing ravagers across to the other god damn side as you try to rush to end him
What? You can't throw with passive, and a runner pulling a ravager would be slower than a ravager walking on its own.
But you can throw with aggressive, and also
Why the hell would a ravager allow a runner to grab him to get him somewhere?
We talking about a situation when a fellow runner or someone goes down, and they not on weeds and in direct fire, marines stopped firing for some reason and you have enough time to get him out of there, but because you can't grab them or plant weeds, they end up dying
What? The OP says restrict the grab to passive, where are you getting aggressive grabs from? What the fuck are you on about grabbing people to get around? I never brought that up as a thing it'd be used for. I said it'd be worse than just walking and therefore a nonissue.
You kind of saying a corpse can move…
What the absolute hell are you even saying anymore? Where did I say a corpse could move? You said this was bad because runners could grab ravagers and carry them around. I said that isn't an issue because ravagers would move faster on their own than they would if a runner was taxiing them around. Grabbing = slow. Moving on their own = fast. Therefore grabbing ravagers to increase speed = nonissue. I am not talking about getting people onto weeds, I am responding to your statement that letting aliens grab would result in ravagers being pulled around.

I never said anything about runners grabbing ravagers and carrying them around, they can't pull them anyway...

[Anon McAnon]

it does not make sense a small warrior can pull a incredibly heavy queen or ravager at insane speed

Christ, fine. Small warriors. Same damn thing. What is your point anyway? All you've done is say stuff that doesn't make sense, I can't even tell if you're pro or against this idea.

[MrJJJ]

Same damn thing?
I doubt you ever played…
Warriors are the rage of marines
They fuck everything up
Runners are not even close
Warriors can PULL QUEENS, RAVAGERS AND ANYTHING WITH SUCH EXTREME SPEED, YOU WILL NEVER CATCH THEM, EVER
I want only TIER-2,TIER-1 aliens to be able to pull or grab each other but have it so they can't do anything to TIER-3, not even grab them, only TIER-3 can do that to each other

[Anon McAnon]

Same damn thing?
I doubt you ever played…
Warriors are the rage of marines
They fuck everything up
Runners are not even close
Warriors can PULL QUEENS, RAVAGERS AND ANYTHING WITH SUCH EXTREME SPEED, YOU WILL NEVER CATCH THEM, EVER
I want only TIER-2,TIER-1 aliens to be able to pull or grab each other but have it so they can't do anything to TIER-3, not even grab them, only TIER-3 can do that to each other

When did pulling get mentioned? This has nothing to do with ravagers being slow when grabbed by runners or warriors and fast when moving alone. Or runners and warriors being unable to aggressive grab throw to speed them up. I am not talking about fucking pulling, pulling is a different mechanic entirely. I am not talking about fucking pulling.

[MrJJJ]

but i am talking about pulling here
Aliens that are so small should not even be able to grab and slowly carry those giants...

[Anon McAnon]

but i am talking about pulling here
Aliens that are so small should not even be able to grab and slowly carry those giants...

Good for you. I was talking about grabbing, so don't randomly change topics and go 'LOLOL U NEVUR PLEY GAME XDD' like you're smarter when the other person remains on the last topic.

And this is a matter of gameplay VS lore. The gameplay is that it sucks when a runner is there and can't grab or pull someone onto a tile of weeds directly next to your crit body. The lore is that such a thing is stupid as fuck. This isn't a matter of 'can it be coded' or 'is it lore friendly.' Its a matter of 'is this fun' and 'will it break the balance.'

[MrJJJ]

…I never said XDD U never pley game and that i am smarter

Gameplay wise, a Tier-3 Alien should not be out there, combating with no support, they giants and can crush things easily and easily have high health, yes, but its like bane blade from DOW 2, it will die quick with no support
Even grabbing a queen and getting her 1 tile away, can be game breaking

[Anon McAnon]

…I never said XDD U never pley game and that i am smarter

Gameplay wise, a Tier-3 Alien should not be out there, combating with no support, they giants and can crush things easily and easily have high health, yes, but its like bane blade from DOW 2, it will die quick with no support
Even grabbing a queen and getting her 1 tile away, can be game breaking

How would it break the balance? Give me an example of how moving one tile could break the balance. Do marines really rely this heavily on ravagers, hivelords and queens going crit on spots next to weeds and runners being unable to grab them and pull onto the weeds?

[MrJJJ]

Because, commonly aliens go in crit
1.Somewhere near cover, but they got crit just outside of it
2.In the open because of they stupidity
3.While charging with shit tons of others
Now imagine as the marines break the charge, and surround aliens, a queen comes out and they quickly down it since it failed its screech and try's to return, it fails and is just 1 tile outside the cover, then suddenly, as marines about to finish her, the runner comes out, grabs her and drags her back to cover, where she quickly recovers and marines can't go and charge in there to finish her off, so latter this bites them in the ass and she comes out and kills them all with her screech
This is not even worser with a warrior
Since they can actually pull

Heck, all i said was basically
That i was okay with Tier-1 and Tier-2 pulling/grabbing each other
Tier-3 was okay being pulled/grabbed by other Tier-3
But a warrior, runner, spitter or etc able to pull/grab them? really?
If any alien, can just grab giant aliens, all aliens when they see they queen or any tier-3 go down, charge at marines and keep them distracted while some other pulls queen away, and then they all quickly rush back in, maybe loosing one, but its not much…

[Anon McAnon]

Because, commonly aliens go in crit
1.Somewhere near cover, but they got crit just outside of it
2.In the open because of they stupidity
3.While charging with shit tons of others
Now imagine as the marines break the charge, and surround aliens, a queen comes out and they quickly down it since it failed its screech and try's to return, it fails and is just 1 tile outside the cover, then suddenly, as marines about to finish her, the runner comes out, grabs her and drags her back to cover, where she quickly recovers and marines can't go and charge in there to finish her off, so latter this bites them in the ass and she comes out and kills them all with her screech
This is not even worser with a warrior
Since they can actually pull

Heck, all i said was basically
That i was okay with Tier-1 and Tier-2 pulling/grabbing each other
Tier-3 was okay being pulled/grabbed by other Tier-3
But a warrior, runner, spitter or etc able to pull/grab them? really?
If any alien, can just grab giant aliens, all aliens when they see they queen or any tier-3 go down, charge at marines and keep them distracted while some other pulls queen away, and then they all quickly rush back in, maybe loosing one, but its not much…

Then its on the marines for not being able to hit the very soft, very slow runner. Grabbing drops you to a speed less than a ravager. Runners will go down very quickly if the marines have any intelligence whatsoever. If its literally just behind a massive hive of aliens the marines can't get into, she was going to get pulled in anyway.

Although I see your point.

[MrJJJ]

And guess what commonly marines are?
Not very intelligent…
Since i think we all know why…
At least there is a couple who do have intelligence...

[Anon McAnon]

And guess what commonly marines are?
Not very intelligent…
Since i think we all know why…
At least there is a couple who do have intelligence...

Fair enough, then.

[Jester]

So let see in cases when Tier 3 Aliens get crit and they are next to a tile with weeds and a runner comes in they CAN grab him but only to walk 1 tile or 2 just for that and this should be restricted with a timer at every 3 minute a Tier 1 and Tier 2 can grab a Tier 3 Alien and drag him only 1 tile or 2

[Anon McAnon]

So let see in cases when Tier 3 Aliens get crit and they are next to a tile with weeds and a runner comes in they CAN grab him but only to walk 1 tile or 2 just for that and this should be restricted with a timer at every 3 minute a Tier 1 and Tier 2 can grab a Tier 3 Alien and drag him only 1 tile or 2

That's needlessly complicated and pointless. Either let them or don't let them. Them being slow as fuck and easy prey for any marine with a gun is punishment enough, you don't need to add some random timer.

Hell, from my time messing with code i'm fairly sure the grab speed, as slow as it is, can be made even slower. Maybe if this is still broken in some peoples eyes, the speed xenos move while grabbing could be lowered even further.

[MrJJJ]

Agreed here...