Memories and Huggers

[Butterrobber202]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):Ok. So we all know in the lore than when you get Huggered, you dont know a fucking thing when you wake up because of short-term memory losts due to something in the Hugger's biology, so I want in where it is rule enforced that Marines dont know what happened right before they are hugged, so when the Aliens get a Marine he cant rat out the Alien's only infecting tool. And more like WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS CRAB DOING ON MY FUCKING FACE, WHERE THE FUCK AM I, WHY ARE THE WALLS HISSING. When they wake up in a Nest. Because WE ALL FUCKING KNOW! When marines hear 'Hugger' it's EVA Helmet time, which (even with the nerf) is still a huge pain in the ass for the Aliens.

With the Current system it is a lose-lose in Alien Land, You try to hug a marine, he escapes he tells the others about Huggers, you get him, when he wakes up he tells the others about the huggers, fucking over Carriers and the only infecting tool aliens get. I want to make lose-win, it's the same thing, just you Marine doesnt remember being Huggered and maybe a Few minutes before the Hug. So the Aliens still have a ace in the hole.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):More RP, Less instant EVA, BALANCE

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc): Enforce it in the rules, call it void if a marine screams over the comms, tell them to read the rules, add it to the Quick start guide and/or when you get hugged when you are Knocked out display a message 'You have been Hugged, when you wake up you wont remember being hugged or what happened a few minutes beforehand'

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): Stated a shitton of this up top.

Notes: Holy Crap... This is my first wall of text on a Suggestion

[SecretStamos (Joshuu)]

Would be an absolute pain to enforce. We're better off just axing EVA and hardsuit helmets.

[UnknownMurder]

I remember the time when EVA helmets were removed. And yes, it is a pain in ass to attempt to infect marines with EVA helmets. Not even a runner can solo a EVA. However, I have no problems enforcing it.

[Evilkyle24]

When the marines break out the EVA gear, the fun times have officially ended.
I wouldn't have any problems with this rule. Its canon.

However, they could still end up ratting it out if they feel the alien start ripping out of their chest as they take damage and scream "HOLY FUCKING SHIT GUYS THERE'S A CRAB ON MY FACE AND SOMETHINGS TEARING ITS WAY OUT OF MY CHEST!"

The other problem is that if you successfully hug people they can scream into their headset. We could make it so you can't talk with a hugger on your face, or that you can't use your radio when restrained, but that has its own set of problems, like not knowing where the hive is. Although it IS only ever in two places, Xenobio or Virology, until the ground map happens.

[Anon McAnon]

So instead of 'CRAB JUMP ON FACE KILL ALL CRAB' it'll be 'CRAB ON FACE KILL ALL CRAB'

This really won't solve anything except conforming to lore. Which is a reason in itself, I guess. Could throw on a big red 'YOU CAN'T REMEMBER ANYTHING, IT ALL SEEMS FUZZY' when you get facehugged or something.

[speedybst]

Hmm, i like this idea and the inability to use the radio whilst nested or whilst you have a hugger on you. The problem i see with this is just trying to police it, as we're then forced to hand-hold (for my normal hours its 30+ people mostly solo, not sure for the rest of you running on server time) the server's population any time a baldie starts screaming infection immediately. We already have enough trouble enforcing the no instantly knowing about infection from a hugging that i can't see us being able to enforce this.

So whilst i like and agree with this idea, i'm going to give it a -1 for actually usability within the rules and current RP environment of the server.

[Butterrobber202]

You have been Hugged, when you wake up you wont remember being hugged or what happened a few minutes beforehand. (Breaking this is considered Metagaming)

Display that when you are Hugged.

[Evilkyle24]

We could make it so that when you try to talk with a hugger on it messes up your voice. Messes up the text or something because you're all muffled.

[TopHatPenguin]

We could make it so that when you try to talk with a hugger on it messes up your voice. Messes up the text or something because you're all muffled.

This makes more sense.. just have this but make it so it's like you are drunk when speaking to.. try and mimic you being muffled ( Well something like this ).

I still disagree on the whole i forgot what took me in the dark... as most times you would wake up in a hive nested afterwards.....

[Butterrobber202]

Because in Alpha it is damn near impossible to get a Marine at start

And Wooki, its what happen in the Lore, and RPPPP

[TopHatPenguin]

Because in Alpha it is damn near impossible to get a Marine at start

And Wooki, its what happen in the Lore, and RPPPP

In my opinion this just seems meh.. stupid in a way... once we have another test or we get the map to play on regularly i will probably end up switching sides from being able to visually see the need for balance and the rp...

[Infernus]

Don't they fall off when they infect you?

[Evilkyle24]

They stay on... for some reason. They just go limp and die, I once suggested they fall off when done but can't be removed without hurting the person. That's how it worked in the movies.

[Butterrobber202]

In my opinion this just seems meh.. stupid in a way... once we have another test or we get the map to play on regularly i will probably end up switching sides from being able to visually see the need for balance and the rp...

No Wooki it isnt fucking stupid, if they dont forget being hugged, they can still scream 'FUCKING SPACE CRABS! HALP WEAR EVA HELMETS!' and then aliens are fucked

[TopHatPenguin]

Aliens aren't fucked if a marine wears EVA helmets >.>

1) Eva helmets got the recent nerf and really aren't as Op as you think they are unless in a 1v1 situation.
2)It also stops aliens from going "hurr durr i have tons of health " and run in, so it adds a actual need for teamwork on the aliens part.

In regards of forgetting you were ever crabbed it seems stupid because you would wake up with it on your face... and would have to take it off manually, so it makes no sense.

[Butterrobber202]

Aliens aren't fucked if a marine wears EVA helmets >.>

1) Eva helmets got the recent nerf and really aren't as Op as you think they are unless in a 1v1 situation.
2)It also stops aliens from going "hurr durr i have tons of health " and run in, so it adds a actual need for teamwork on the aliens part.

In regards of forgetting you were ever crabbed it seems stupid because you would wake up with it on your face... and would have to take it off manually, so it makes no sense.

1) They still block Huggers extremely well, even if you are not in a 1v1 situation it is usually a 1v7 deal, because this is a 2D Platform game and the Aliens have to get close to do a fucking thing, take The tunnel above EVA for it, the aliens have to LINE UP AND MOVE FOWARD to do shit, with bullets flying at them with no way to dodge

2) Aliens dont 'hurr durr i has tons of heath' Because we don't? Excluding Warriors,and Ravagers. Aliens dont have much heath and can easily be fucked over by 3 M14A Pusle Rifles firing 10mm Bullets at them, a Once again we have to be close to do jack shit

Disclamier: 'WUT ABOUT SENTINELS BUTTER Y U SO DUMB'
Well Guess fucking what, Sentinel spit does jackshit. It is basically a Long Ranged Disarm move. marine falls. Marine Gets back up. Marine picks up gun. marine shoots sentinel.

ABOUT The same thing with the Spitter, Praetorian is the one that maybe can use his spit

[Evilkyle24]

Yeah, spit does jack shit. It knocks you down for maybe 2 seconds, the weak version for less than one second.

[MrJJJ]

Fun fact
I watched a sentinel
ABLE TO SURVIVE ON HIS OWN, ALONE FOR 10 FUCKING MINUTES, KILL 2-3 MARINES (all aliens were dead expect him) AND KEPT DODGING, SPITTING AT THEM AND ETC
Now that is serious robust thing i have seen from a sentinel

[Evilkyle24]

Thats pretty incredible.

[MrGabol100]

> 3 Rifles firing bullets at one alien.

It's just fucking stupid how concentrate marine fire has to be to kill 2 aliens...

And aliens can't get serious injuries, they are alive or they are dead, they just have an HP fucking bar, it's so frustrating...

Only if aliens could lose limbs, bleed out, explode...

[MrJJJ]

I know already a counter to your thing gabol
"But how will aliens recover from losing a limb, or bleeding out"
Well, that's what you get for showing your open face to marines and doing that noice tactic
Aliens should easily be killed by marines, hence why they need to learn to ambush and have vary good melee, right now some aliens have a lot of health (looks at warrior) which allows them to charge at marines, get someone and pull them out to the marines gunfire for them to be FFed or to get them hugged

[MrGabol100]

I know already a counter to your thing gabol
"But how will aliens recover from losing a limb, or bleeding out"
Well, that's what you get for showing your open face to marines and doing that noice tactic
Aliens should easily be killed by marines, hence why they need to learn to ambush and have vary good melee, right now some aliens have a lot of health (looks at warrior) which allows them to charge at marines, get someone and pull them out to the marines gunfire for them to be FFed or to get them hugged

Aliens should get serious injuries, and not recover, they are aliens, they'd just die, they can respawn, be less stupid next time.

^^ Muh opinions.

I don't know if you understood it correctly, but you expressed my opinion, aliens need to start ambushing and using their high damage instead of rushing the front line and don't even get injured by 3 shotguns and 2 machineguns. You even saw a warrior in the movies? A warrior should have drone health, a runner his actual health, a drone runner health and all of the other castes drone health, how do you explain getting shot literally 30 times into the face and not even an injury?

Hope apop adds extended health to aliens in the alpha, maybe they can also get a plasma healer, but please.

[Infernus]

I already suggested that they get permanent damage per every hit (like -5 maxhealth per bullet hit)

[MrGabol100]

And we got cuckblocked

I mean right now marines win all the time that sucks, my Idea for the alpha is to scratch out and take one of the game revamp suggestions back in eden and take a deep look at it, minimizing a lot alien health and making everything lethal, Pistols 3 hitting, revolvers 1 hitting, M4s 2 hit... And aliens the same, 1 head slash and out / 2 body slashes...

[MrJJJ]

Uh gabol...
i was agreeing with you