Door Facehuggers = Rule Violation? (pls)

[Dragon2323]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):

Make placing facehuggers on airlocks, resin doors, shuttle doors, the whole kebab, a rule violation, which could lead to a two hour ban if not a jobban from alien. The amount of times aliens have huggerstacked on doors as of late is legitimately bullshit levels of preposterous.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):

Give marines slightly more survivability compared to aliens setting traps without encountering additional hosts. The amount of times that you've seen a hugger in an airlock, when it should have been crushed dead may be considered inevitably asinine.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):

Just proper addition to the rules for placing a hugger on a door leading to a possible xeno-related tempban or full tempban. I'd believe that a facehugger would have an appropriate log context in VV as to whom touched it last.

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it):

Simple addition to the rules if judged appropriately by Apophis.

[MrJJJ]

This is bad when
1. Its on a airlock, you can't destroy those with bullets or etc, you have to get close to it, and huggers jump at you when you get close
2. You got no explosives you can use to get the huggers in the corners

so +1

[Infernus]

Make airlocks crush facehuggers when closing?

[mosshadow]

+1 This happened a alot last night and was pretty bullshit. Especially since eggs where laid inside the doors which made the face huggers invincible and invisible. Luckily we still won that round because the queen ran infront the marines twice

[Butterrobber202]

-1 It is a Alien Tatic, fuck off. You guys have Grenades,Guns,C4, MGs, Armor, EVA Helemts and Welderbombs.

AND THE ALIENS HAAAAVVVEEE Huggers and Claws

[MrJJJ]

You forget butter the pounce, spit, screech and many more things

Also, our grenades, guns, c4 and mgs along with welderbombs, eva helmets and armor have counters that you can use to defeat us
We got nothing on your *place a hugger on a airlock and call that a tactic*

[Butterrobber202]

Pounce. The only really Good move Aliens have. Spit, does Jackshit. Screech can only be used by the Queen. Charge sucky ass move for Ravagers. Acid melts walls where you just put a girder infront of the wall we are melting.

I think I named them all.

[razerwing]

Alright. So. Putting huggers in Resin Doors and underneath walls and such I can understand. I used to line the hallways with walls that had eggs underneath them and leave the middle clear. Sometimes you'd get a few folk that way. Huggers behind resin walls and doors makes sense really, because if you aren't clearing them out to make more room to move, then there's something wrong.

However, huggers in airlocks? Eggs in airlocks? Yeah, no. That's bad. There should be something against that. You can't destroy an airlock without getting close to it. You can't open it without getting close to it. Put two huggers beneath an airlock and you have yourself a definite hug. Because there's literally nothing you can do other than get close to the airlock and take your hugger(s).

Everything you named in the post above can be worked around. Airlock huggers /CANNOT/ be worked around. Screech can only be used by the Alien Queen? Well then you'd best hope you have a competent Queen, or a competent Drone on standby. Spit does jackshit? Figure out another clever way to do spitter. Marines keep putting girders in front of the wall you're melting? Well they can't shoot through girders and they will run out of space to put girders eventually, so just keep melting through.

+1 to making it a rule to not put huggers IN AIRLOCKS.

[MrGabol100]

Pounce. The only really Good move Aliens have. Spit, does Jackshit. Screech can only be used by the Queen. Charge sucky ass move for Ravagers. Acid melts walls where you just put a girder infront of the wall we are melting.

I think I named them all.

Butterrobber, please, I know you are fucking learned towards aliums all the damned time, and you want to nerf marines, always +1 alien ideas etc... But fucking play 2 days as a marine without playing to loose, to see a fucking radical change of POV.

And don't say "But mrcucklord100!!!11111 you should play as alium too!!!"
For your information, I've played a lot as xenomorph, mainly as an alien queen, and It's so fucking difficult to keep the hive from metagaming all over, or space walking, or breaching... They've even dissobeyed IC orders to not breach the Hive Area for Host survival, not to mention the major OOC in IC, powergame, combat nests instead of bringing to the hive, lack of basic roleplay, metagame...

Now, take your mouse and you keyboard, click the server and instead of clicking in "Observe" Turn your alien prefferences off, "Declare ready" or Join, and try to survive an enemy more powerful, with dirty tactics and that constantly improves trough the round and trough the server development.

+1, You can't destroy an airlock, it's a dirty tactic, It's fucking impossible to counter and we do not get enough explosives until the alpha.

[Butterrobber202]

Butterrobber, please, I know you are fucking learned towards aliums all the damned time, and you want to nerf marines, always +1 alien ideas etc... But fucking play 2 days as a marine without playing to loose, to see a fucking radical change of POV.

And don't say "But mrcucklord100!!!11111 you should play as alium too!!!"
For your information, I've played a lot as xenomorph, mainly as an alien queen, and It's so fucking difficult to keep the hive from metagaming all over, or space walking, or breaching... They've even dissobeyed IC orders to not breach the Hive Area for Host survival, not to mention the major OOC in IC, powergame, combat nests instead of bringing to the hive, lack of basic roleplay, metagame...

Now, take your mouse and you keyboard, click the server and instead of clicking in "Observe" Turn your alien prefferences off, "Declare ready" or Join, and try to survive an enemy more powerful, with dirty tactics and that constantly improves trough the round and trough the server development.

+1, You can't destroy an airlock, it's a dirty tactic, It's fucking impossible to counter and we do not get enough explosives until the alpha.

I do play Marine. I am Johnny 'Snowball' Redem, Squad Engineer. And Yes I almost always lean to the Alien side, I have been Queen before, (( I feel you with those fuckwit Aliens, a good hive is so rare ))

But mr.cucklord100!!! All is fair in love and war, it is dirty as shit. You know what else is dirty? Setting up a MG in the Science entrance a firing all the way down into a Xeno Hive, Also Dirty, always have a Service Pistol in your pocket so Aliens cant strip it, Also Dirty, have a mine right infront of you in maintence so when aliens come we /cant/ avoid it and are FORCED to suicide. Also Dirty, Aliens spam tackling to keep a host in place while another Alien is nesting/Stripping him. But we do that we use teamwork, and Marines bitch about it. Yes. I know this a video game, yes I know this isnt real. It's all about balance, dirty tricks can and will be used, by Marines and Aliens ALIKE. I have fallen victim to Dirty Plays from Marines and aliens alike. And I almost never bitch ((Unless it is rule-breaking)) very long.

You cant destory a Airlock. Like we cant destroy your EVA Helmets the moment we see one (( Metagamming bruh )) or when your wearing one and we have to waste 3-5 huggers breaking it

Now, take your mouse and you keyboard, click the server and instead of clicking in 'Declare Ready', Hit 'Observe' turn your Alien preference 'On' and try to survive a Enemy with High Damaging Long-Range attacks, Grenades that KO/Kill you, Mines that flash you, MGs that murder you, Welders that prevent escape, hidden weapons, a Marine backpack full of SMGs, and EVA Hardsuit helmets.

[Infernus]

This is getting off topic a little bit. This is about how it is impossible to kill a hugger that is in the door, not about who and what is OP or not.

[Butterrobber202]

Oh. Well... In that case you have my -1 if I haven't already done so

[Fickmacher]

As much as I'd like for this to be a thing, I don't think we can reliably check for fingerprints. So while it'd be nice, this rule would be too hard to enforce.

[Infernus]

No rules when we can code it in. They should either be crushed or pushed out by the door. The less rules we have, better.

[TopHatPenguin]

No rules when we can code it in. They should either be crushed or pushed out by the door. The less rules we have, better.

i vote crushed.. because if they get pushed out by doors, alien's could use it as a cannon thing.

[speedybst]

Hmm, definitely remove the ability to do this, hell as a xeno i remove this because i know there is no counter for it - hide them pass the door sure, but don't be an asshole and place it under the door. With the pushing out by doors, give it an equal percentage to push the hugger out of any of the accessible directions of the door by one tile, then we don't have the cannon problem.

[Mordrehel]

Both sides have dirty tactics... but this one seems pretty damn hard to enforce unless we are constantly looking for the huggers and get to the before the marines do. I dunno, doesn't seem like its effected the game heavily enough to really be a violation.

[UnknownMurder]

Aliens needs some sort of a dirty tactic like what Butter implied. All aliens can do is charge at you. NOT TO MENTION DID I NOTICE THAT MARINES ARE ALSO PUTTING MINES IN MIDDLE AIRLOCK and closes it.

-1

[Butterrobber202]

Both sides have dirty tactics... but this one seems pretty damn hard to enforce unless we are constantly looking for the huggers and get to the before the marines do. I dunno, doesn't seem like its effected the game heavily enough to really be a violation.

doesn't seem like its effected the game heavily enough to really be a violation.

You good sir, receive a +1 from me

And I wouldnt mind the pushing to much, it would be impossible to use as a Cannon becasue we'd have to open the door, drop the hugger and then wait for the door to close, the chances of not getting shot are slim

[apophis775]

Any more discussion on this?

[MrGabol100]

No sir.

[Surrealistik]

+1. Obviously marines shouldn't be able to mine airlock tiles either.

[HalfdeadKiller]

I say +1 on crushing eggs inside airlocks. While mines can be placed under airlocks, they only explode when walked over the same tile, not adjacent. Huggers are activated upon walking on adjacent tiles, therefore the comparison is null.

On the topic of dirty tactics. It comes down to balance, and at some point fairness. Honestly, while shooting down the science hallway will take out most of the hive walls and such because the HMG does a lot of damage, that isn't a dirty tactic. That means the aliens should flank around, make the MG seem useless, and retreat from the dieing hive walls and such. Also, the HMG has finite ammo, and shoots friendlies. Huggers in airlocks are a tactic that is not counter-able without a guaranteed facehug, or a large amount of time used to go around. Heck, we already have to deal with corner huggers behind reinforced walls, but at least those have a semi easy counter.

[Mordrehel]

Enforcing this would be more of a pain to staff/ new player than the improvement to the gameplay would be worth.

(Removed something quite silly, took a bug for feature xD)

[Juninho77]

Helmets are still going to be destroyed in the Alpha, Mord.

I like this suggestion, but not as a rule. We could code it so that a closing airlock would kill any huggers standing on its turf.