ALPHA Add an engine core vent button

HalfdeadKiller · Post by **HalfdeadKiller** » 26 Jul 2015, 19:05

CM Version (alpha or Regular): Alpha

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary): Add a button that will open the engine core room blast door to space, but not eject the core

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole): It will help when the supermatter is full of hot gases, it might even perhaps prevent some explosions

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc): add a button that opens the external blast door to space.

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it): Map Editing

Surrealistik · Post by **Surrealistik** » 26 Jul 2015, 19:15

Agreed, makes all the sense in the world and is perfect for evacuating the core of starting waste gasses before injecting supercooled phoron.

Post by **SASoperative** » 26 Jul 2015, 19:16

Comrade I could not agree more. +1

Evilkyle24 · Post by **Evilkyle24** » 26 Jul 2015, 19:22

Agreed.

What sci-fi setting lacks an emergency vent for the engine? Shits explosive.

johners12345 · Post by **johners12345** » 26 Jul 2015, 20:18

Agreed +1
Would make it easier for those noobies to get rid of the gasses

Post by **apophis775** » 07 Sep 2015, 16:14

You shouldn't be injecting Phoron...

Also, is this still an issue?

TR-BlackDragon · Post by **TR-BlackDragon** » 09 Sep 2015, 18:02

It's not needed if your doing the job right. The small only ever overheats if someone doesn't set it up right or someone tamper with it. I've brought the temp from 6000k down to 300k in a few seconds. It just takes some brains. I mean if you add it I would put it in the ce's office cause that's just another way for some jackals to tamper with the engine and cause all the n2 to be spaced rather quickly. And with the coolers at max and if it's circulating there really should be no need for it.

kurugi · Post by **kurugi** » 09 Sep 2015, 18:10

You can remove the gases from the sm room with the release valve. You can even operate the release valve from the core monitor computer.

TR-BlackDragon · Post by **TR-BlackDragon** » 09 Sep 2015, 19:55

kurugi wrote:You can remove the gases from the sm room with the release valve. You can even operate the release valve from the core monitor computer.

Yup people who don't know how to work the sm engine are the ones asking for this and shouldn't be working it

UnknownMurder · Post by **UnknownMurder** » 10 Sep 2015, 15:49

Just put up a guide book somewhere. I'm fine with this being added.

GingerCultLeader · Post by **GingerCultLeader** » 13 Sep 2015, 14:06

Abby put up a guide for it. It is pretty good for the most part.

Post by **apophis775** » 13 Sep 2015, 15:22

So, this sin't really needed then?

UnknownMurder · Post by **UnknownMurder** » 13 Sep 2015, 21:32

I wouldn't use it at all.

Surrealistik · Post by **Surrealistik** » 14 Sep 2015, 13:54

It has multiple uses; several of which were stated earlier. Again, good emergency option, and good option to expedite reactor set ups for those of who would like to use coolant far more efficient than N2.

TR-BlackDragon · Post by **TR-BlackDragon** » 14 Sep 2015, 14:30

Surrealistik wrote:It has multiple uses; several of which were stated earlier. Again, good emergency option, and good option to expedite reactor set ups for those of who would like to use coolant far more efficient than N2.

Um re read what this is about... venting the core room isn't a more efficient way to cool the sm.... and would not be a good idea to do to set it up... that would have an opposite effect of blowing it up actually.

Astralenigma · Post by **Astralenigma** » 14 Sep 2015, 15:48

Venting the engine core appears has one of the ways to improve engine cooldown since it would release the extreme hot air but honestly this is usually only necessary when the engine isn't removing the gas fast enough and it's overpressurized.
Surrealistik seems to have heard from the baystation coders that phoron is a better cooling gas than phoron, I don't know if there's any truth in that, after all internet sarcasm is hard to pick up and I haven't played in baystation server yet.
Honestly adding phoron looks to me like adding fuel to a fire but a fire also needs oxygen to burn.

TR-BlackDragon · Post by **TR-BlackDragon** » 14 Sep 2015, 16:06

Trust me phoron would just make the sm go boom

Evilkyle24 · Post by **Evilkyle24** » 14 Sep 2015, 16:24

Venting the atmosphere inside of the SM Chamber should keep the core at its current temperature, or at least very slowly cool it down.

You people do know that a vacuum is a near perfect thermal insulator right? Space isn't cold, its temperatureless.

I was talking about a button that ejects the SM itself into space so that if its about to explode it at least does it very far away from the sulaco.

kurugi · Post by **kurugi** » 14 Sep 2015, 16:33

Really though, if you need this you probably shouldn't be in engineering to begin with.

TR-BlackDragon · Post by **TR-BlackDragon** » 14 Sep 2015, 16:46

I was talking about a button that ejects the SM itself into space so that if its about to explode it at least does it very far away from the sulaco.

This is already a thing. There are two. One is by the main control. The other is in the ce's office

Astralenigma · Post by **Astralenigma** » 14 Sep 2015, 17:33

I was looking into the code of the atmospherics to understand the basis and what I found is that it's harder for phoron to increase (possibly change) temperature than nitrogen, if I did understand it correctly, meaning that an extremely cool phoron could probably be good but since it's room temperature it would take a good while to cool and that would be time the ship is losing power.
I still have to see if losing temperature has the same troubles as gaining(honestly I think the difficulty to gain heat would also mean difficulty to lose heat), if not then phoron is in fact a better cooling gas.
I'm going to try and run a test.

kurugi · Post by **kurugi** » 14 Sep 2015, 18:06

Astralenigma wrote:I was looking into the code of the atmospherics to understand the basis and what I found is that it's harder for phoron to increase (possibly change) temperature than nitrogen, if I did understand it correctly, meaning that an extremely cool phoron could probably be good but since it's room temperature it would take a good while to cool and that would be time the ship is losing power.
I still have to see if losing temperature has the same troubles as gaining, if not then phoron is in fact a better cooling gas.
I'm going to try and run a test.

Name: Hydrogen
Symbol: H
Atomic Number: 1
Atomic Mass: 1.00794 amu

Name: Helium
Symbol: He
Atomic Number: 2
Atomic Mass: 4.002602 amu

Hydrogen is a better gas for balloons because of its lower atomic mass resulting in it being more buoyant. We should use hydrogen for all balloons.

Astralenigma · Post by **Astralenigma** » 14 Sep 2015, 18:14

Your statement confuses me a bit.
The variable I'm looking in the code that affects the change of temperature is heat_capacity which is the amount of energy necessary for the temperature to raise 1 degree celsius in the game nitrogen and oxygen have heat capacity of 20 while phoron has an heat capacity of 200 I'm now going to run a test to see the speed it takes phoron to lose heat in game if it proves that the heat capacity also affects temperature decrease(ingame) then it would mean that phoron is an harder gas to change temperature making it hard to mess with but also hard to repair.

kurugi · Post by **kurugi** » 14 Sep 2015, 18:18

My point is that it's largely irrelevant the heat capacity of phoron simply because of its inflammability. They would never allow it to be used for cooling when other stable gasses are capable of doing the job.

Astralenigma · Post by **Astralenigma** » 14 Sep 2015, 19:03

Yeah I thought that was what you were trying to say.
I'm just doing this because I already entered in a debate with surrealistik about this matter and he's still saying this so now I decided to do some research and show my findings in the hopes that this does not fall as an internet discussion and making all this a futile attempt to bring the suggestion of phoron as engine coolant to a conclusion.
As far as I can see it looks like a good emergency coolant instead of a replacement for nitrogen since it can absorb more heat it would mean it would absorb all heat and exit.

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