Abusing Predators

[Enite]

Your Byond Key:Enite

Your character name: Eliana Green

Their Byond key: Absynth

Approximate time and date of the incident (Central Us Time for best results): 6/17/2015, 3:10pm-3:40pm

Which Admin Protocols (http://goo.gl/fBUQGG) were broken: 0: NEVER ABUSE YOUR POWER, 2. Preserve the RP and Enjoyment of the server.

Description of the incident: Three Predators led by Absynth, during a normal round with no ongoing event, invaded the Sulaco bridge and demanded to take over the ship. Obviously the commander refused, at which point he murdered EVERY command staff member, causing the marines to abandon the ground assault and get back to the Sulaco, at which point he slaughtered more marines with plasma caster spam when they tried to enter the bridge. He completely destroyed command, and left around fifteen marines dead, most of them missing heads when he chopped them off after they were dead.

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc): http://i.imgur.com/IMHCTBo.jpg

How you would punish the accused: Removal of predator whitelist, and complete barring from EVER using one again, and removal of any admin powers that would grant him the ability to spawn him as one.

[UNDUS]

I witnessed this as a ghost and can confirm it. Only thing is that I think the command staff shot at the predator first, but what would you expect? It seems really weird and out of character for a predator to be 'taking over' the ship like this. He even made an announcement demanding everyone obey him or be killed.

Also want to say that yesterday, or the day before, Absynth also spawned in as a predator and killed basically all of the humans on the Sulaco. This caused huge salt tsunamis which aftershocked even into the next round. Absynth, we love you and your awesome additions, but please please chillax on the predator stuff. Use it to make rounds fun, not end them.

[Atpot]

As a witness to this, I would like to point out a couple things.

The reasoning given to board the sulaco was imo meta. Stating "They were going to the sulaco to talk about honor."
I would like to point out the lore behind predators, They are aggressive hunters that only Kill honorable prey. They also see humans as weak and in-superior creatures. Therefore, talking to them let alone trying to be diplomatic is breaking RP.

They also attempted to take the sulaco, Which again is breaking RP. Predators are superior in technology so why in the hell would they want a garbage ship when compared to their own vessels.

Here is the COH for anyone that needs to re-read the list. The first rule sums up just about all of it, just about.

And as UNDUS said, We all love you abby but

please chillax on the predator stuff. Use it to make rounds fun, not end them.

[SASoperative]

Everything happened very quickly. I was a predator involved I was on the sidelines trying to keep peace by tasing people to get them to hopefully drop their weapons but Abby said I AIIINNNNTT HAVIN DAT SHIT. Anyway, In short I will look over this and alert Apop. I over all wad not expecting a utter slaughter to happen... Up until that point RP was pretty solid but.... Yeah, This is not the first complaint I have received about Abby's predator, I also would like to formally apologize on my end, I was unaware of what would have happened than I had to delete myself halfway due to a RL emergency (Hence the predator ghost right there) I deleted myself solely so I did not get in the way of the RP I thought might have happened cause it settled down at that point.
I thought that we could have talked to the commander which in a predators eyes was the elder of the station, Predators LONG ago had actually been worshiped by humans and I believe at one point assisted them in learning how to build. I figured the diplomatic approach would have been much better than this slaughter hence why I tried to take it. But I do think while the diplomatic approach was not accurate I came up there to try that to avoid this. Sadly. I failed.

[Atpot]

Yea, Predators made slaves of humans, They hardly helped them. Like i stated, and like the lore states, Predators look at humans the same way they look at xeno scatt on their boots. On a extremely rare occasions, predators have warmed up to humans, But not off the fly. They must earn the predators respect, its not given to them prior to meeting.

Example: Going hand to hand with a xeno and winning.

Anyways, Hope it gets resolved and some rules get placed to prevent this sorta thing in the future.

[Abbysynth]

I'd like to explain what happened.

There were 3 preds on the planet and the humans kept attacking us during the hunt. So I snuck aboard the Sulaco to speak to their "elder", the Commander. That changed when we kept getting attacked on board (SAS snuck on too). Instead, we would simply take command of the ship and show the humans how a real xeno hunt is conducted - humans were at one point effective slaves to the Yautja, and we RPed that stuff out as we made our way to the bridge.

When we were on the bridge, we came without weapons, using pAIs to translate. The Commander suddenly pulled a gun and started opening fire, and the rest of the bridge officers followed suit, as well as a horde of marines screaming about alien invaders on the bridge. I didn't really have any other choice than to kill the people shooting at me; I tried stunning as many as I could but there were at least 6 or 7 people there. I also tried not to harm anyone who was not shooting at me (such as one of the BOs).

As usual, marines forget about RP, see an alien, and begin shooting at it regardless of what RP was trying to be accomplished. I guess I shouldn't have kept my expectations that high and just stayed on the planet murdering people, right?

[UNDUS]

They did shoot you first, but why is that notable? I don't know how else you would expect that situation to go. Did you think an entire station full of marines was just going to roll over and say 'ah yep, the station is yours now. What can we do master?' You knew how it would end up.

I wish those of you playing predator would understand how incredibly unfun it is when you just slaughter an entire team for funzies. The game these days isn't even about whether the aliens or humans are better, it's about who the predators decide to kill. We're just cannonfodder for staff members and donors to murderbone with a godmode role.

Whenever you do this, you're removing run from about 60 players' round just so you can have a lot of fun for yourself. It's a very selfish thing that hurts the server.

[Enite]

I'd like to explain what happened.

There were 3 preds on the planet and the humans kept attacking us during the hunt. So I snuck aboard the Sulaco to speak to their "elder", the Commander. That changed when we kept getting attacked on board (SAS snuck on too). Instead, we would simply take command of the ship and show the humans how a real xeno hunt is conducted - humans were at one point effective slaves to the Yautja, and we RPed that stuff out as we made our way to the bridge.

When we were on the bridge, we came without weapons, using pAIs to translate. The Commander suddenly pulled a gun and started opening fire, and the rest of the bridge officers followed suit, as well as a horde of marines screaming about alien invaders on the bridge. I didn't really have any other choice than to kill the people shooting at me; I tried stunning as many as I could but there were at least 6 or 7 people there. I also tried not to harm anyone who was not shooting at me (such as one of the BOs).

As usual, marines forget about RP, see an alien, and begin shooting at it regardless of what RP was trying to be accomplished. I guess I shouldn't have kept my expectations that high and just stayed on the planet murdering people, right?

You said, and I quote: "We are taking control of your ship" to the commander. You didn't explain anything else, you just said you were taking the ship. Now, let's think about this for a minute. You told the commander of a military vessel you were taking over his ship. What did you expect him to do? What did you expect all of us to do when you murdered him? Of course we all pulled our weapons and started shooting, and of course more marines came and started shooting. You shouldn't have been on the ship in the first place, and when your great idea went south you shouldn't have straight up murdered all of command, forcing the entire marine ground team to head back and clean up the mess. Furthermore, Alpha squad reported that one of the predators speared them and went invisible, and they hadn't engaged him. So yeah, we were well aware you were hostile and had given the order for you to be fired upon since you attacked marines.

[Abbysynth]

And what did you think was going to happen when the marines opened fire? They should have expected casualties, and that's exactly what happened. It was hardly murder; it was self defense.

[Enite]

And what did you think was going to happen when the marines opened fire? They should have expected casualties, and that's exactly what happened. It was hardly murder; it was self defense.

I think you were looking for an excuse to murderbone. It was blatantly obvious no commander ever would cede command of his ship to an alien, you were just looking for an excuse to go hog wild with your fancy gadgets.

[Gelonvia]

RIght, so there's a lot of problems with this I need to point out and correct this entire story. On LV-624 a forward operations were launched down onto the planet with Charlie Squad, several armed Charlie Squad members were witnessed firing on said Predator that was outside their window simply watching thus causing them to fire back before they simply left. Later when Abby's predator entered the bridge they gave their demands while keeping to an RP standards that they are supposed to do, upon entering the Commander had the best of idiotic idea's that he should open fire on this new species (And in turn no doubt cause a war against another species which will effect USAAC by pissing them off and causing even more deaths cause one Commander and other Bloodthirsty Marines couldn't restrain themselves from shooting everything they see.) Of course when you fire upon a cloaking strong armored high tech individual your no doubt going to get slaughter when you should call for back-up instead. Noone asked them to hand over Sulaco, they could have Role Played the entire thing out by talking them through and figuring out why they are here and what they need to progress the story line, but the Marines didn't.

Eventually I came along and headed to the Bridge along with a Doctor, an MP, and a Researcher and we simply spoke with them and started learning a bit of info. Our Role Play that was leading up was disturbed when Don came running on the Bridge screaming literally, "FIGHT ME! I CHALLENGE YOU!" to the predators while he held out a knife, Casca told him to cut it out and Bigby 'Pyro' disarmed him before again Don just pulled out his gun screaming for the Predators to fight him.. after instigating a fight both predators only disarmed him not engaging and wasting your breath on him but Don continued landing him with a throwing knife in his face after the Predator finally got tired and accepted the challenge to just end it already. Immediately after throwing the knife he started open firing on them with a gun in our close quarters with other marines around him and actually shot several of us in his pitiful attempts. So one other Marine that broke in along with Don rushed up and started shooting at the predator too, Casca rushed up intervening as this was clearly against the Predator and absolutely unfair especially sense it can cause a major war by helping the Predator and aswell ended up having to shoot Don point blank in the head while he wore a perfectly fine helmet which absorbed the shot. The entire time people were being Major Problems, hell Casca, Bigby, and Preston were the only ones who actually took to second to think about the entire issue and knew this was entirely the blood thirsty Rambo sided Marines fault with their need to just shoot and not Role Play on a server where it says "Don't shoot immediately on first Contact" and "This is a Role Play Server, we expect Role Play."

Now lets get to those photo's, those photo's are the aftermath of what happened and taken out of context for the simple abuse and manipulation to change what actually happened to fit your stories. Now just cause your unhappy that the Predator didn't go, "Lets fully help the Marines and give them my armor, and save them, and never attack me while I do dumb stuff!" doesn't excuse you to try and manipulate the masses.

And as someone who was fully there to watch every bit and knows every bit of what happened, to see these attempts at manipulation just sickens my very stomach.

Now lets move further onto you Enite, when someone shoots said Predators, what do you expect them to think when they see an entire legion of exactly the same type of people? Your going to be cautious, scared and worried and they were, Youtja are not known to speak just like us vocally, there is going to be miscommunications when your dealing with other species, and as Marines in a future with Skrellians, Tajara's and Unathi's, all with odd and different personalities who speak and act differently to the point humans in general especially the Military is trained and used to these sort of things naturally, you would be expected to handle this more gently, not go full hostile mode until you can thoroughly evaluate and confirm with them what they want vocally.

So, in short what happened here is people are too damn bloodthirsty as Marines, it's a Community issue, not an Absynth issue. Colonial Marines has a population of people who come here to point their guns and shoot aliens while they scream, "Bang bang bang!" and the very few of us who do like to Role Play and are grown to be successful Like Wooks are left in the dust and end up having to put up with it no matter how hard Staff tries to tell them they need to Role Play at least minorly and use common sense.

[Enite]

The predator demanded the commander give the ship to them. That was the extent of the predator RP, they didn't give a reason, they just demanded that. Sure, the commander fired, but they were trying to take over the ship, and like I already said Alpha squad had been attacked by a predator after landing, and a general shoot on sight order was given, which is why Charlie would have fired on them. And yes, sure, that screenshot was taken in the aftermath, I wish I had taken one that showed all the headless corpses littering the bridge, or the chat logs of Absynth demanding the commander cede the ship over to the predators. There is a reason the people who were observing and saw everything are upset over this, you came in at the tail end and don't know the full story.

[Gelonvia]

Then the Commander was obviously at fault for firing instead of questioning why they are condemning the ship, why they are here, and what they need it for so they can report it to the USCMC. Once again revolving back to my point of Role Play was fully open the Commander just made a choice to shoot instead of following the opportunity like a Good Marine would

In short, there are ALWAYS options, it's the persons choice to make poor decisions. We can now only hope they make the choice now to learn from these bad choices.

[Feweh]

As a Predator Gelonvia, I'll say that the Predator in this instance was wrong. I wasn't going to say anything in this topic, but what you're defending and stating is completely illogical and this is coming from another Predator. The Commander was NOT at fault for defending his ship, it is HIS ship and he reacted completely LOGICALLY to the situation at hand. You do not hand over military equipment or vessels to a unknown race no matter the situation and it blow's my mind how god fucking awful your logic is here Gelonvia.

Predator's are chosen as white-list because they need to purposely balance out of the game-play. The Predator's had previously engaged Marine's on the surface which made them hostile to the Marine's. Meaning Marine's understandably had ALL right's to shoot on sight! Further more, Abby stated the Predator's were being shot ON Sulaco... So why would you head to the Command area expecting any different treatment?

As stated, going to the Bridge and demanding control of the ship is NOT proper roleplay. Marine's were not given a fair chance to roleplay a situation like this and not to mention a Predator SHOULD NOT be demanding control of Sulaco, UNLESS a custom event is taking place.

The biggest issue is the fact that this RUINED the round for Marine's and caused a MASSIVE balance in the game-play. This is a prime example of what Predator's are not supposed to do. Marine's acted logically and attacked a hostile alien trying to take their biggest asset, their ship. Anyone could tell you that going onto the bridge with demands like this was going to create a MASSIVE conflict.

When everything went wrong the Predator should of cloaked and left the area... not remain and murder as many Marine's as possible.. if the intent was to Role-play it should of remained as that, not devolved into a slaughter.

That is failed role-play.

As a Predator myself I'll be the first one to say that the anger and frustration from the Marine's that round was COMPLETELY understandable. Essentially the entire round for Marine's was ruined by one individual, this is exactly what Predator's are NOT supposed to do.

Shit like this need's to stop and I'm not pointing fingers at Abby solely. This is not what Predator's are supposed to do, RPing is giving everyone a fair chance and not ruining people's round for your own enjoyment.

[Dyne]

One way to make it stop is turn off GodMode for Predators and balance them out with the two existing factions.
Then it will be much less frustrating, I assure you.

[johners12345]

... They... Don't have a god mod...

Anyways I ask that ONLY staff or people with staff permission post here. This is getting out of hand and NEEDS to stop. This is a admin complaint. Not a free for all.

[Lostmixup]

RIght, so there's a lot of problems with this I need to point out and correct this entire story. On LV-624 a forward operations were launched down onto the planet with Charlie Squad, several armed Charlie Squad members were witnessed firing on said Predator that was outside their window simply watching thus causing them to fire back before they simply left. Later when Abby's predator entered the bridge they gave their demands while keeping to an RP standards that they are supposed to do, upon entering the Commander had the best of idiotic idea's that he should open fire on this new species (And in turn no doubt cause a war against another species which will effect USAAC by pissing them off and causing even more deaths cause one Commander and other Bloodthirsty Marines couldn't restrain themselves from shooting everything they see.) Of course when you fire upon a cloaking strong armored high tech individual your no doubt going to get slaughter when you should call for back-up instead. Noone asked them to hand over Sulaco, they could have Role Played the entire thing out by talking them through and figuring out why they are here and what they need to progress the story line, but the Marines didn't.

Eventually I came along and headed to the Bridge along with a Doctor, an MP, and a Researcher and we simply spoke with them and started learning a bit of info. Our Role Play that was leading up was disturbed when Don came running on the Bridge screaming literally, "FIGHT ME! I CHALLENGE YOU!" to the predators while he held out a knife, Casca told him to cut it out and Bigby 'Pyro' disarmed him before again Don just pulled out his gun screaming for the Predators to fight him.. after instigating a fight both predators only disarmed him not engaging and wasting your breath on him but Don continued landing him with a throwing knife in his face after the Predator finally got tired and accepted the challenge to just end it already. Immediately after throwing the knife he started open firing on them with a gun in our close quarters with other marines around him and actually shot several of us in his pitiful attempts. So one other Marine that broke in along with Don rushed up and started shooting at the predator too, Casca rushed up intervening as this was clearly against the Predator and absolutely unfair especially sense it can cause a major war by helping the Predator and aswell ended up having to shoot Don point blank in the head while he wore a perfectly fine helmet which absorbed the shot. The entire time people were being Major Problems, hell Casca, Bigby, and Preston were the only ones who actually took to second to think about the entire issue and knew this was entirely the blood thirsty Rambo sided Marines fault with their need to just shoot and not Role Play on a server where it says "Don't shoot immediately on first Contact" and "This is a Role Play Server, we expect Role Play."

Now lets get to those photo's, those photo's are the aftermath of what happened and taken out of context for the simple abuse and manipulation to change what actually happened to fit your stories. Now just cause your unhappy that the Predator didn't go, "Lets fully help the Marines and give them my armor, and save them, and never attack me while I do dumb stuff!" doesn't excuse you to try and manipulate the masses.

And as someone who was fully there to watch every bit and knows every bit of what happened, to see these attempts at manipulation just sickens my very stomach.

Now lets move further onto you Enite, when someone shoots said Predators, what do you expect them to think when they see an entire legion of exactly the same type of people? Your going to be cautious, scared and worried and they were, Youtja are not known to speak just like us vocally, there is going to be miscommunications when your dealing with other species, and as Marines in a future with Skrellians, Tajara's and Unathi's, all with odd and different personalities who speak and act differently to the point humans in general especially the Military is trained and used to these sort of things naturally, you would be expected to handle this more gently, not go full hostile mode until you can thoroughly evaluate and confirm with them what they want vocally.

So, in short what happened here is people are too damn bloodthirsty as Marines, it's a Community issue, not an Absynth issue. Colonial Marines has a population of people who come here to point their guns and shoot aliens while they scream, "Bang bang bang!" and the very few of us who do like to Role Play and are grown to be successful Like Wooks are left in the dust and end up having to put up with it no matter how hard Staff tries to tell them they need to Role Play at least minorly and use common sense.

Stop using black text please.

Also, I support this debate because I personally think the preds were a tad outta character. Based on the minor knowledge I have of preds, they apparently like hunting humans for sport, not taking control of them. I don't really think that this was the appropriate way a pred should be acting.

[Kyrac]

I wasn't in any way attempting to control them, they found me early round and more-likely treated me with kindness. They didn't interfere with my hunt or hurt me at that point, and I didn't see them engage any aliens at the time. I probably shouldn't have given them awareness of us though. This is my part, I wasn't on the ship at all.


If anything, I tried to learn why these humans were here, and slain many xenomorphs. All in all, had 5 trophies and fought a Human honorably through a fist-fight, ended with us using weapons. 3 Xenomorphs, and 2 Humans.

[1138]

I will be watching this thread until further notice.

Further inflammatory remarks will result in your posts being deleted (Including staff, and all participants will receive BOARD WARNINGS). Do NOT post in this thread until Apop gets the time to review this, unless you have VERY pertinent information.

I hope I'm rather clear with this.

[apophis775]

This will be investigated.

Me and the heads, will get to the bottom of this.

[Felkvir]

I'd like to say, that i do think preds are getting a tad bit abused ... I think staff have gotten the biggest lease on using it simply because we're not like the common folk, we're pretty much expected not to cause shit. We've all been there, not being able to wait to use it again and such ...

I will not say that the situation here would be IMPOSSIBLE, but i think it would be VERY UNLIKELY for something like the Yautja to do. They could literally give less of a shit at this point about humans.. Unless the individuals provide sport as has been shown. They came to the planet because the researchers from WY had awoken the hive that was in hibernation there, according to Abbys backstory. To the predators, humans are just sort of that race that 'used to be fun' so to speak. I think we all just need to calm our massive predboners, and let them be improved when time allows .. Have them a few times here and there to hunt ayyliens, but not all the damn time. Have some self control people.

[spheretech]

An actual joining as predator system needs to be made because it's not quite right for staff (who are mostly whitelisted) to spawn themselves in imo. Everyone should have an equal chance to play a predator, staff or not. May be irrelevant for this issue but whatever.

[Lucyz]

An actual joining as predator system needs to be made because it's not quite right for staff (who are mostly whitelisted) to spawn themselves in imo. Everyone should have an equal chance to play a predator, staff or not. May be irrelevant for this issue but whatever.

Currently predators are only staff and donators we hope to open it up to non donators who have been approved soon, Staff should currently be giving donators a chance basically taking it in turns but yeah I do agree a joining system for predator would be great. I believe we are just waiting for some form of spawn point to be made for them like a ship for example.

[apophis775]

We were going to open it to non-donors and everyone recently, but we delayed for some more adjustments.

Expect it very very very soon. Possibly tomorrow.

[Lucyz]

Resolving this, Absynth has been dealt with in terms of players reporting predator abuse.