I was banned for shooting someone who was trying to kill me...

[matt12134]

Beyond ID:matt12134

Character name:Matt Fox

Admin who banned you: oneonethreeeight

Initial duration: 3 hours

Duration remaining: 2.9

Reason for ban: He banned me without asking me what happened... A guy was shooting a ton of people at the end of a round and he started to shoot at me so I shot him down. Why should I be the one banned for that and without question?! check the attack logs and you will see what I mean.

Your appeal, including evidence (an www.imgur.com album is recommended for multiple screenshots):

[1138]

You were included in a mass ban-wave of EoR grief.

If you shoot back, you get included in the banning.



No exceptions, sir. You got 3 more hours, you can come back and play when that time is up.

Additionally: some advice for what to do with EoR griefers. Don't shoot back if they're firing on you. We're competent enough to get around to banning them, we have logs.

[matt12134]

really thats a rule? so your saying that I should just wait and let them kill me...?

[Feweh]

really thats a rule? so your saying that I should just wait and let them kill me...?

Yes, its end of round and nothing transfers over to the next round.

Who cares if you die at this point?

[matt12134]

so who cares if i shoot the guy trying to kill me?

[Feweh]

so who cares if i shoot the guy trying to kill me?

It generates combat logs and dillutes admin logs.

+ Where a RP server, which means you MAINTAIN character and RP all the way to the end.

You didnt read server rules clearly, check them out niw.

[1138]

Ban will expire in a few minutes.

[UNDUS]

It should really be in the rules that you can't shoot back if you're being EOG'd. How can anyone know that?

[matt12134]

It generates combat logs and dillutes admin logs.

+ Where a RP server, which means you MAINTAIN character and RP all the way to the end.

You didnt read server rules clearly, check them out niw.

yes I understand that you should maintain character rp to the end and thats just what I did, if someone starts to shoot me in a role playing situation im going to take out my gun and shoot back. Im just saying

[apophis775]

It should really be in the rules that you can't shoot back if you're being EOG'd. How can anyone know that?

It is specifically in the rules under Rule 1, for maybe 8 months?

The reason for this is that people who End of Round grief, SPAM the combat logs. Typically, we are cleaning up final complaints or investigations at the end of the round, and that makes it MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. Thus, anyone who takes hostile action against their same faction, gets a 3 hour no warning ban.

Also, for future reference "Ban Reason" is the reason shown in byond about the ban, not why you think you were banned...

[Steelpoint]

Realistically if someone started shooting you, you would shoot back.

But this is not a issue of role play, its a issue of making it easier for admins to ban the correct people, so instead of wasting five to ten minutes sorting out logs they instead only spend a minute or so checking.

[UNDUS]

It is specifically in the rules under Rule 1, for maybe 8 months?

The reason for this is that people who End of Round grief, SPAM the combat logs. Typically, we are cleaning up final complaints or investigations at the end of the round, and that makes it MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. Thus, anyone who takes hostile action against their same faction, gets a 3 hour no warning ban.

Also, for future reference "Ban Reason" is the reason shown in byond about the ban, not why you think you were banned...

In rule 1, the only section on EOG is here:

>Harming other players (of the same species) at the end of the round. Marine vs Xeno is fine. End of Round Grief is an IMMEDIATE 3 hour ban with no warnings.

I can see how this can be interpreted to mean that you can't inflict any damage at all to other marines at round-end (including to defend yourself,) but given the term 'grief' it's far easier to read it as 'You cannot ~randomly~ attack a team member at round end.'

When not at round-end It's kosher to shoot back if someone shoots you, which makes people think it's also fine at round-end. This section should be updated to read 'Please do not retaliate if you are attacked at round-end, as it will clutter up the logs, and instead adminhelp it.' I personally read the rules thoroughly and had no idea you can't retaliate if you get EOG'd.

[matt12134]

It is specifically in the rules under Rule 1, for maybe 8 months?

The reason for this is that people who End of Round grief, SPAM the combat logs. Typically, we are cleaning up final complaints or investigations at the end of the round, and that makes it MUCH MORE DIFFICULT. Thus, anyone who takes hostile action against their same faction, gets a 3 hour no warning ban.

Also, for future reference "Ban Reason" is the reason shown in byond about the ban, not why you think you were banned...

It didn't leave a reason

[matt12134]

In rule 1, the only section on EOG is here:

>Harming other players (of the same species) at the end of the round. Marine vs Xeno is fine. End of Round Grief is an IMMEDIATE 3 hour ban with no warnings.

I can see how this can be interpreted to mean that you can't inflict any damage at all to other marines at round-end (including to defend yourself,) but given the term 'grief' it's far easier to read it as 'You cannot ~randomly~ attack a team member at round end.'

When not at round-end It's kosher to shoot back if someone shoots you, which makes people think it's also fine at round-end. This section should be updated to read 'Please do not retaliate if you are attacked at round-end, as it will clutter up the logs, and instead adminhelp it.' I personally read the rules thoroughly and had no idea you can't retaliate if you get EOG'd.

well I won't shoot anyone at the end of around again I suppose... Ugh im just bleh about it because I missed like 2 rounds or something

[Lucyz]

Resolving this, if you get griefed end round in future just adminhelp and it will be dealt with plus you will get rejuv'd if it wasn't end round.