10/8/15 Command Roles Job Ban Appeal - UnknownMurder

[UnknownMurder]

Byond ID: UnknownMurder

Character name: Alex Graves

Admin who banned you: Apophis775

Initial duration: Sept. 22, 2015

Duration remaining: N/A

Duration of Time Used: 16 Days (Excluding Today)

Reason for Ban: Banned from Commander, Executive Officer, Bridge Officer, Military Police, Corporate Liason, Requisitions Officer, Chief Engineer, Chief Medical Officer - "mutinied" against Cent-com. by Adminbot (Friendly Robot) on Tue, September 22nd of 2015
(Thanks TR-Blackdragon for providing the reasons. I do appreciate your assistance. I'm saddened that no one thanks people often for their services.)

Your appeal, including evidence (an http://www.imgur.com album is recommended for multiple screenshots)

Apologies, I do not have an evidence since it happened quickly, perhaps too quickly. As far as I am well informed by Apophis775 that multiple of people has been job banned for 'following' me as I was a supposed model for the mutiny. Please be known, I am not blaming anyone for this as I can tell it was full of misunderstanding for everyone. Since, Feweh (Pink) assassinated our Central Command Officer as a Weyland Yutani Officer, I thought it was a great event roleplay initiated by Pink and I went along with it. Then, Pink got off, and Apophis gets on. Apophis775 dispatches WY Officers/Investigators, under my suspicious, I order to restrain the WY Officers. Shortly, Apophis775 threatens me that if we don't stand down to Weyland Yutani officers, we will be bombed (And we did get bombed in Medical Bay). Misunderstanding occurs. Mass Job Bans were passed out.
However, I'm sort of disappointed to the fact the Marines started killing the WY Officers the moment they landed.

As far as I can say to defend myself.

• I didn't start this. I only went along with event RP.
• I was attacked and kidnapped.
• I ordered to restrain the Weyland Yutani PMCs.
• I am not responsible for any of rebel's actions.
• Central Command Officer was assassinated by WY Officer (Feweh).
• I ordered the CL in permanent holding
• The real revolution occurred was when Felix, CL, and XO started badmouthing and kidnapping me along with other casualties deciding to join the WY.

What is a Command?
Just what the hell does it mean to me? I'm not going to get on Google and start Googling for the wisest professional way of saying it. Anyways, to Command as a Commander, in my own opinion means to take control and ensure the Marines are doing their job (which some of them will probably do, I appreciate those people), and to assist the Medical Doctors making sure that the Marine's Medical Recovery goes smooth, and so on with Cargo People. However, currently. I despite being a Marine and Aliens. Ever since I've tried being a Command Officer, I've fell in love with it. I've loved how you could actually assist Marines from Sulaco using Orbital Strikes, Supply Drop, and how you could interact with the Weyland Corporate Liasons. Sometimes, my character would agree with them, sometimes they wouldn't, like in this case scenario. As far as people much knows me, Alex Graves, to be a known well roleplayer even as a Doctor or a Marine... Not an alien, because... You know, aliens doesn't care about your roleplays and is just a grunt of the Hivemind. All they seem to care about is attacking, I've not yet played a Queen in awhile because of this kind of struggle.

Anyhow, that is what being in Command means to me. To keep close communication, to keep close relationship with the Crew, and to keep the fun up for everyone, even the aliens if were to be possible.

[Feweh]

This was a pretty cool roleplay that started off great. You RPed well with the CL at the time and everyone was having a good time. At one point orders were given to your XO to assume command as you had disobeyed direct orders from USMC and refused to release the CL. XO ended up starting a war with you and some MP's and shit escalated at that point.

All of that was fine up to that point. Apophis got on and I told him the CL was being held in the brig so he sent the WY PMC's.
I had to leave when the PMC's got there due to work so i don't know the full story after that.

But anything before I left was really well dobe RP wise and everyone was getting along fine.

[FRALUN]

Screw you, ordering a BO arrested for going into an area they have full access to, how good of a roleplayer are you?

[apophis775]

I was there for the event in question. Here is the series of events, as I percevied it:



1. The Corporate Liason is worried for his life, because of a message from Centcom that the commander received.
2. The CL contacts CC via his fax.
3. The XO is also worried because of how the commander is acting.
4. CC dispatches a Weyland PMC team to protect the CL.
5. The CL is killed before the team arrives. The XO beings explaining that the commander is unstable and may have killed the CL
6. On orders from the commander (according to the doctor) a doctor poisons the XO, and one Weyland Commando.
7. Wounded marines return from the planet.
8. The Weyland commandos who remain, grab the XO and wounded marines and bring them to medbay.
9. They begin treating the wounded marines and attempting to determine what happend.
10. The commander orders them restrained
11. The Weyland Commandos are attacked for no reason by the crew, led by the commander
12. The weyland commandos are poisoned by the Doctors and die.
13. Centcom delcares the Sulaco as "rogue" and destroies it.


Based on witness statements as well, from that round, you were being a "shit-tier commander". Your random actions also lead to the death of MANY of your crew, at the hands of doctors, who claimed to be working in your name. Additionally it resulted in the destruction of the ship, as your actions were deemed completly rogue.

For these reasons, I'm going to vote -1 on this.

You just seem to always end up pulling random shit as a commander, and much of the staff is tired of it.

[UnknownMurder]

I was there for the event in question. Here is the series of events, as I percevied it:



1. The Corporate Liason is worried for his life, because of a message from Centcom that the commander received.
2. The CL contacts CC via his fax.
3. The XO is also worried because of how the commander is acting.
4. CC dispatches a Weyland PMC team to protect the CL.
5. The CL is killed before the team arrives. The XO beings explaining that the commander is unstable and may have killed the CL
6. On orders from the commander (according to the doctor) a doctor poisons the XO, and one Weyland Commando.
7. Wounded marines return from the planet.
8. The Weyland commandos who remain, grab the XO and wounded marines and bring them to medbay.
9. They begin treating the wounded marines and attempting to determine what happend.
10. The commander orders them restrained
11. The Weyland Commandos are attacked for no reason by the crew, led by the commander
12. The weyland commandos are poisoned by the Doctors and die.
13. Centcom delcares the Sulaco as "rogue" and destroies it.


Based on witness statements as well, from that round, you were being a "shit-tier commander". Your random actions also lead to the death of MANY of your crew, at the hands of doctors, who claimed to be working in your name. Additionally it resulted in the destruction of the ship, as your actions were deemed completly rogue.

For these reasons, I'm going to vote -1 on this.

You just seem to always end up pulling random shit as a commander, and much of the staff is tired of it.

Right. Using mobile device.

I declared Corporate Liason to be in permanent brig. Execution was never granted. I never granted it. He was interrogated, he told me the Weyland Yutani's crimes and involvement in the LV-642.

There are two (or more) perspectives of witness, some can think I am doing this for the good cause. Some people can think I am doing for bad cause. However, my perspective? Weyland Yutani kills OUR CENTAL COMMAND OFFICER which is USCM. (Perspective here) We took this action as a declaration of war. I report my findings to the Marines. I and MPs got more information from interrogating the Liason. We got more information. WY is involved and their motives which I cannot remember. After the assassination of USCM Central command officer. USCM was no more, it was WY. WY was the one ordering XO.

XO has tried to talk to me by dealing with a lethal force. No reasonable discussion to persuade my perspective. Just a bullet to the face while my MP dies under my command and was cloned.

Also, first you tell me it was WY investigators, now you tell me it was WY Commandos. This can also imply that they were trying to keep us hush-hush, another words, kill more people under my command. Everyone did want to kill them, but I did order to RESTRAIN so we could get information. Sadly, this does not happen. WY vessel randomly appears and declares us rogue for not standing down.

From what I can see, players had fun. (Perspective)

The person who antagonized me before I antagonized them was WY Officer, CL. That's all, what I did was only a mere of retaliation.

Edit: I couldn't help myself but to review Pink's message. He is a staff. A staff commended me on that round for a cool role play. He already confrimed that everyone was having a good time.

[apophis775]

Pink left shortly after i arrived.

Yes, they were W-Y commandos, performing an investigation at the request of CentCom.

[apophis775]

ALso, i restored a post pink deleted, as it speaks to character.

I was also on, the day that the BO was ordered to go check cryo and was let in by the researcher, and you had him arrested as the CMO (or a doctor, don't remember which) and a shitstorm came out of that.

[UnknownMurder]

Screw you, ordering a BO arrested for going into an area they have full access to, how good of a roleplayer are you?

1. That man never had access into that area. I saw it clearly with my own eyes. It blinked red. That means, unauthorized access. See #5.

2. Nonetheless threatens me instead trying to talk normally with me. Decides to get frisky by using violence with Military Police after questioning.

3. How am I good role player is however up to you. But, keep this known. I did not use violence at all. I only used words. BO used lethal. I don't prefer to judge and question my skills and compare it. I don't like to brag all the time. What's done is done.

4. I was a Doctor. I was job banned during this situation, and job banned users are not permitted to be the job banned role.

5. BO was now where near the cloned user as he tried to go downstairs and was abruptly stopped by unauthorized access. From what I can tell, you're trying to get into my business. I had no knowledge of your purpose being there until I was informed by a staff that you were there to retrieve a cloned person. Researcher never let him in. You just walked into it.

6. The cell time to arrest for trespass is like.. I guess, five minutes? Big deal.

@FRAULEN, if you were that BO. I apologize because as far as I knew in that round. You trespassed until I was told OOCly.

[Lostmixup]

UM, to be 100% honest I don't want you anywhere NEAR a command role purely because you like to spout metal gear references 24/7 over command channels and such. People have literally suicided because you're so obnoxious with the MGS references. You've been somewhat better about it, but just the other day when you got access somehow to the communications panel you make an MGS reference. I'd rather not have to deal with really obnoxious MGS references every time you happen to be commander, or BO, or XO, or CMO, or CE, or RO, or SL, or anything else.

[UnknownMurder]

You've been somewhat better about it.

Signs of improvement.

I know this may sound... Repulsive. No one has been Serious about telling me to stop with MGS. Although, Funny Story. I made a reference to Star Wars. People somehow took it as MGS reference. Anyhow, irrelevant. As far as I can tell you. The hype is dead right now. It's becoming a habit for me to no longer use MGS reference as we all know, most of us don't care about popular quotes. I can promise you I am taking steps to move on, but I cannot promise that we will not have MGS discussion ever again because, there are people who are still interested in MGSV and I am willing to share story.

Story Cut Short, there are people who makes reference. I am among them. I haven't referenced to MGS in awhile. You can take my profile pictures and signatures as a first step. I've been trying to get interested in Anime and I've succeeded. But, will I go around shouting Baka? No. That's a whole different level.

That's the best I can say.

[Lostmixup]

Signs of improvement.

I know this may sound... Repulsive. No one has been Serious about telling me to stop with MGS. Although, Funny Story. I made a reference to Star Wars. People somehow took it as MGS reference. Anyhow, irrelevant. As far as I can tell you. The hype is dead right now. It's becoming a habit for me to no longer use MGS reference as we all know, most of us don't care about popular quotes. I can promise you I am taking steps to move on, but I cannot promise that we will not have MGS discussion ever again because, there are people who are still interested in MGSV and I am willing to share story.

Story Cut Short, there are people who makes reference. I am among them. I haven't referenced to MGS in awhile. You can take my profile pictures and signatures as a first step. I've been trying to get interested in Anime and I've succeeded. But, will I go around shouting Baka? No. That's a whole different level.

That's the best I can say.

I don't care about a discussion about MGS, I'll participate in a discussion about metal gear almost any day. The problem is that you just quote shit 24/7. You've improved probably because everyone and their mother has gotten on you for it, and also because you haven't been in a position for a while that has let you broadcast references to everyone in the game practically.

I won't deny you making steps to improve, just know that if a single poor and blatant MGS reference ever comes over a command announcement again I'm sure I won't be the only one that's a little ticked off.

[Feweh]

Signs of improvement.

I know this may sound... Repulsive. No one has been Serious about telling me to stop with MGS. Although, Funny Story. I made a reference to Star Wars. People somehow took it as MGS reference. Anyhow, irrelevant. As far as I can tell you. The hype is dead right now. It's becoming a habit for me to no longer use MGS reference as we all know, most of us don't care about popular quotes. I can promise you I am taking steps to move on, but I cannot promise that we will not have MGS discussion ever again because, there are people who are still interested in MGSV and I am willing to share story.

Story Cut Short, there are people who makes reference. I am among them. I haven't referenced to MGS in awhile. You can take my profile pictures and signatures as a first step. I've been trying to get interested in Anime and I've succeeded. But, will I go around shouting Baka? No. That's a whole different level.

That's the best I can say.

To be fair, no one told you to stop with the awful quote's and references because you were in a high position of power.

People don't take you seriously or respect you because you come across as one of those generic young kids on the internet who bandwagons onto whatever meme/game is popular and start dropping references/quotes about it 24/7.

It's a shame because you are VERY dependable with Queen/Command roles usually, but you ruin your own respect and integrity with stupidity. Don't take this as a insult because I never had a problem with you in Commanding roles. However other people have a very negative view on you because they remember all the shitty crap you spout over the intercoms/announcement.

This applies to your in-game conversations and to when you were staff.

[UnknownMurder]

@Lost, glad we had a reasonable conversation about this. I can pretty much tell you're not the only person. However, glad it came to an end.

@Pink, this is aftermath. I am no longer a staff. This is not a question of looking over as Unknown's history of staff. This is a question of ban appeal. However, I'll take your word into my consideration.

Also... MGS hype is dead. I couldn't care less now. It died couple of days after MGS Online. Unless, that is, people want to converse regarding MGS.

Edit: I'm really determined to have this ban appealed. Although, I do admit. I may have been a tiny bit excessive.. Perhaps not the right word to use it, Overused? With the references. However this is not the point of reason I was banned for. As for reputation, I am nearly a well known excellent Doctor other than being a marine. I despite being marines.

[Jack McIntyre]

I would agree with getting rid of the job ban just due to the fact that although he did do MGS quotes, I don't really think it was all that bad. Yes it happened, but at the same time, Lost pretty sure you are the one with the bandanna (although it looks awesome blowing all the time), but that being said, Unknown from the instances i have played with him has played quite a competent command staff. My personal favorite was being a survivor and the CL kept pushing and pushing to want to meet with me and I had not seen the other one in a very long time. I had to have surgery and had not heard any response from the other survivor and thus I mentioned my worry with Unknown who told me it may not be safe to trust the CL and basically helped disguise me a bit to escape medbay and get away from the CL who was looking around the ship for me. We had a lovely stand off on the bridge where I talked about being the head of the security team down there and had to fight the things and talked about the xenos. The CL didn't fight against any of my claims that they were made by WY and instead just said my security team should have wiped them out which the marines were mad that the CL had hid the fact that creatures were on the planet. He is a good roleplayer and knows his stuff about command so I think it would be safe to remove the ban, and hey if he does it again it isn't like we can just remove him from the jobs again.

[SASoperative]

I still see UM not fit for command in all honesty
I arrived to the scene when he was delivered the job bans and it was a utter fucking clusterfuck of a mess and drama was rampant
You have my -1 mate. Former staff or not your still held to the expectations of everyone else and I am pretty sure NO ONE ELSE would have done this. Same applies for my staff.

[UnknownMurder]

I would like to put out this to the Head Staffs. Do you know the story? Do you know why everyone rebeled, even if it was their own choice?

The Central Command controlled by which the Weyland Yutani was behind all this. It took awhile for me to get information into Marine's head. Did I feed lies to Marines. No. Did Weyland? Yes. We were antagonized by the Weyland Yutani Corporate Liason who confessed everything to me. I am an Ex-Staff, and I am an Ex-Head Staff. I know the rules and I am by the rules, not even toeing the rules and I'm not going to lie. We were swayed to do this, to rebel. I am absolutely sure that we are permitted to rebel by obtaining sufficient amount of mutineers. People dies in their rebellion. Look at the American Revolution, look at Civil War to change the America. (For Europeans, look at French Revolution. Many people died there.) Hell, I had RP Reason to rebel. People does rebel against their superiors, even marines disobeying Command Staffs, or entire vessel disobeying central command. Trust me, I have seen it.

To start rebel, you need:
RP reason
5 or more crew members.
That's it. I've done it.

I did order the marines to Restrain, AKA No Lethals. However, they chose not to do so. Doesn't matter. I am still not sure which part of me being banned still angers you. What marines/doctors' actions do, I am not responsible for their actions. They've disobeyed my orders and decided to use Lethals. Does this still makes me unfit to command when people disobeys my orders and does whatever they want. I know I followed my set of rules. Back to paragraph topic, what part of my actions still angers you. What still confuses you? I can tell people are not fully known with this story. Either you are confused or just biased against me.

It is for best I explain to you, or shall I repeat the story in a better way of saying it?

Edit: I hope you understand the point.

[UnknownMurder]

really cool guy any time i have played with him when he was a doctor i thoroughly enjoyed it

Just throwing it in.

EDIT:

[johners12345]

I still see UM not fit for command in all honesty
I arrived to the scene when he was delivered the job bans and it was a utter fucking clusterfuck of a mess and drama was rampant
You have my -1 mate. Former staff or not your still held to the expectations of everyone else and I am pretty sure NO ONE ELSE would have done this. Same applies for my staff.

I have been asked by Um to deliver my side of the story. A bit of fair warning. It is very hazy
As Um had said. It is still clear that staff had NO absolute idea what was going on. UM was completely not part of any of that lethal violence that took Place.


Here is my side of this from what I remember which is basically just a brief mention.


So. From what I remember the Liason had confessed to Alex about the nature of the mission. That is true. I will be skipping ahead a bit.

Basically Weyland Yutani arrives and WE have already declared to split from the care of Weyland or something like that ( like I said. Memory is a bit dazy, I only remember crucial details) Basically the marines start shouting to kill The PMC, Um simply tried to stop the situation. In fact he never said for lethals to be used. The whole issue with lethals happening was the marines faults. Who fired first I don't know, But it resulted in a small battle. In fact I remember me and Mike hernandez trying to protect Um at the bridge from the destruction that was occurring. Eventually Um went to the medbay deciding enough was enough. Which is where the admins started to fire at the sulaco.

In all. It truly wasn't Um's fault. He simply mis-read something from the staff and took it as a sign for some special roleplay. That turned out to be false and it turned out that the Regular player marines of the time couldn't handle it and violence erupted. Now. Could we pin the fault on UM for all of this starting? If you really wanna be a jerk, Yeah. Is it ACTUALLY his fault for the marines actions? No. It's not. Either way as I see it. Hes served some time without giving any real back talk on it and has been mainly cooperative. As for being me. I don't see any reason to not give him a second chance. I mean hes actually a competent commander. Aside from the character's slightly Abrasive personality and the multiple game references. IF he has promised to not do that any more and to be more careful with the actions of staff and players by not misreading them or atleast asking about them. In my eyes he deserves a other chance.

But What do I know? I'm apparently just a player that was trial staff for a bit.

[SASoperative]

Regardless UM has still yet to point out a round where he was active as a command staff and people enjoyed his rounds than? They enjoy him as a doctor but as command staff I get complaints from my staff. Playerbase. And then some. Regardless I honestly do not think he is fit for command given the insane amount of complaints I have received in the past with him as command. If Apop or Rah do not give more input to change my mind this will be denied.

[UnknownMurder]

Regardless UM has still yet to point out a round where he was active as a command staff and people enjoyed his rounds than? They enjoy him as a doctor but as command staff I get complaints from my staff. Playerbase. And then some. Regardless I honestly do not think he is fit for command given the insane amount of complaints I have received in the past with him as command. If Apop or Rah do not give more input to change my mind this will be denied.

This is not the point to why I was banned. I strongly advice to be a Prospective person, not a Retrospective person.

[apophis775]

I remember VERY CLEARLY, that a medic reported to the command that they had "silenced the XO for him, and that he wouldn't be a problem shortly" and got a "good job" back.

[UnknownMurder]

I remember VERY CLEARLY, that a medic reported to the command that they had "silenced the XO for him, and that he wouldn't be a problem shortly" and got a "good job" back.

I did say "Good Job", but I did not say to "Silence the XO" Silencing the XO could mean many thing, however we all know it means, killing the XO, however he did antagonized me and posed a threat. So, in my defense. I don't know why the Doctor do it. I haven't been involved in lethal combats other than heading to Medical Bay and being blown up by Wey-Yu Vessel.

[Ogard]

I don't really think you're fit to be command staff, you are however a awesome doctor though...sort of, you really like to mutiny though and uh yeah that isn't exactly a good thing all the time.

[UnknownMurder]

I don't really think you're fit to be command staff, you are however a awesome doctor though...sort of, you really like to mutiny though and uh yeah that isn't exactly a good thing all the time.

I have not mutiny'd in a long time since this. The last mutiny was when CE requested me to join his mutiny because BOs and XO were creating Space Drugs. Commander wanted to stop BOs and XO. I was nearly neutral but leaning on CE's side. I only asked her what she wanted me to do. She tells me to go find more people, which I've already listed Medical Doctors who may be in the mutiny to the CE, after that. I've butted out because it didn't required me to get involved. I didn't want to get involved in their battles. I also asked one of the staffs online, Adjective, to be cautious and to confirm it was a legit RP reason to mutiny for them.

[Ogard]

I was the commander, pretty sure the CE was planning on killing me but uh whatever back to the thread.