Engine Griefing

[WyattH]

Their character name: Jim 'Twitch' Sanders

Approximate time and date of the incident: 2 AM CST

What rule(s) were broken: Griefing

Description of the incident: He was blowing up the engine room and even was trying to blow through engine containment going so far as to even blow up wiring and collectors on his path to breach the engine. He even went so far to destroy the APC for the engine room to ensure that the crew would not be able to fix it or get the coolers running again to prevent the SM to blow.

How you would punish the accused: ban

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

[Wickedtemp]

Shit, so THAT'S what happened... I was wondering why everything was blown up.

[zskninoh]

The marine told me the CE aka Wyatt, was going to blow up the ship. I was the doc that followed the CE in and he just harm batoned me.

[WyattH]

The marine told me the CE aka Wyatt, was going to blow up the ship. I was the doc that followed the CE in and he just harm batoned me.

The only way to stop a griefer when no admins are online is to kill them before they kill you and everyone else, better to save the ship and have Jim 'Twitch' Sanders die than to proceed with him destroying the engine, and medbay can clone him anyway if that is what is desired.

Any players that engage in combat with another player give up their right to be admin-healed anyway, although that isn't even an issue since no admins are on during low-pop anyway.

[Skycave1]

Here's the full story. The fact that there was no command staff means we can't get on the shuttle to go planetside. I was trying, and I admit to breaking said components, because of what the Chief Engineer said. The engineer told me, word by word he would blow up the Sulaco if I broke something else. As any sane man would do, they would try and stop them. After breaking into engineer prep, I went to break into engineer with C4 because some of the doors were bolted. I was still thinking this guy was serious. After this was all said and done, the CE proceeded to stun me, then harm stun the medical officer pulling me away. If proof is needed, I have photos of the logs

CE telling me he'll blow the ship: https://gyazo.com/576395a6c57ebc3f0097de0bc3148d4c

Part one of being stunned. While KO I couldn't get him hitting the Medical officer, but I did see it : https://gyazo.com/f222f34b96e321af139aff6b04854526

The Medical officer was bleeding, and I fired back to assist: https://gyazo.com/cb3a5236418c04bb598b72f3632b19fb

[SASoperative]

I have went through logs actively and thoroughly and have even gone so far as to talk to the offender. They state that you threatened to blow up the ship if they broke another window. I went in logs. He told the truth, I was told you harm batoned a doctor. I found that in the logs. If you ask me it looks like a misunderstanding/miscommunication. Regardless your actions were not just as a CE. You should not have even really had a baton.... I was looking at how few people were online and it is just.. Regardless I think half of this was your fault and half was theirs.

[WyattH]

I have went through logs actively and thoroughly and have even gone so far as to talk to the offender. They state that you threatened to blow up the ship if they broke another window. I went in logs. He told the truth, I was told you harm batoned a doctor. I found that in the logs. If you ask me it looks like a misunderstanding/miscommunication. Regardless your actions were not just as a CE. You should not have even really had a baton.... I was looking at how few people were online and it is just.. Regardless I think half of this was your fault and half was theirs.

The only way to stop griefers while no admins are online is to eliminate the griefer and anyone assisting the griefer, otherwise they're just gonna come back and grief you. There was zero attempt at any radio contact from them to the CE, only multiple explosions ensuring the engine would be useless and need the SM to be ejected.

Furthermore there was no reason for Jim 'Twitch' Sanders to use C4 at all when he had already hacked many doors before showing he didn't even need to use C4, using the C4 was blatant to grief and breach the engine.

I fail to see how a thinly veiled attempt at griefing while no admins are online can be so easily overlooked, we deal with this far too often during lowpop when no admins are around to save us.

[Skycave1]

The only way to stop griefers while no admins are online is to eliminate the griefer and anyone assisting the griefer, otherwise they're just gonna come back and grief you. There was zero attempt at any radio contact from them to the CE, only multiple explosions ensuring the engine would be useless and need the SM to be ejected.

Furthermore there was no reason for Jim 'Twitch' Sanders to use C4 at all when he had already hacked many doors before showing he didn't even need to use C4, using the C4 was blatant to grief and breach the engine.

I fail to see how a thinly veiled attempt at griefing while no admins are online can be so easily overlooked, we deal with this far too often during lowpop when no admins are around to save us.

You do know I'm not some one time player, right? Why would I grief on a server I enjoy playing on? I was in a hurry to stop the CE before panic ensued, but I caused it.

[WyattH]

You do know I'm not some one time player, right? Why would I grief on a server I enjoy playing on? I was in a hurry to stop the CE before panic ensued, but I caused it.

Yes I know you're not a one-time player, and you're usually one of the better ones, that's why I was so disappointed you used this opportunity when no admins are online to grief. If you need a release to grief just go to a server that encourages it to burn off your steam next time, not on us here on this server. I don't think you being a good player other times should preclude you from the rules when you feel it's lowpop or you can justify it through RP to doom the crew.

All in all just very disappointing when you usually do alot better than this. ~_~

[Skycave1]

Yes I know you're not a one-time player, and you're usually one of the better ones, that's why I was so disappointed you used this opportunity when no admins are online to grief. If you need a release to grief just go to a server that encourages it to burn off your steam next time, not on us here on this server. I don't think you being a good player other times should preclude you from the rules when you feel it's lowpop or you can justify it through RP to doom the crew.

All in all just very disappointing when you usually do alot better than this. ~_~

Again, I wasn't trying. It kinda gets annoying when hacking through doors.. I asked for the gloves because we needed to get to the shuttle.. But, the CE, like I said.. Threatened to blow up the Sulaco if I break something else.. Which I did. Maint tunnels. If I really wanted to grief, I would have done something smarter..

[Ordukai]

I can understand that Jim broke in to grab insulated gloves, though he shouldn't have broken whatever it was that he ended up breaking

Wyatt shouldn't have threatened to blow up the ship (Though honestly that could be taken as a joke),

But I fail to see how C4'ing your way towards the core would stop someone from... detonating the core, jim. I feel like you'd just be helping at that point.
The first door might be explained in order to remove the emitter or take control of engineering, but why the radiation collector blast door?

[Skycave1]

I can understand that Jim broke in to grab insulated gloves, though he shouldn't have broken whatever it was that he ended up breaking

Wyatt shouldn't have threatened to blow up the ship (Though honestly that could be taken as a joke),

But I fail to see how C4'ing your way towards the core would stop someone from... detonating the core, jim. I feel like you'd just be helping at that point.
The first door might be explained in order to remove the emitter or take control of engineering, but why the radiation collector blast door?

For the honest truth. Never played engineering, I just assumed it was another section behind that metal door. I didn't put time into right-clicking.

[zskninoh]

I can understand that Jim broke in to grab insulated gloves, though he shouldn't have broken whatever it was that he ended up breaking

Wyatt shouldn't have threatened to blow up the ship (Though honestly that could be taken as a joke),

But I fail to see how C4'ing your way towards the core would stop someone from... detonating the core, jim. I feel like you'd just be helping at that point.
The first door might be explained in order to remove the emitter or take control of engineering, but why the radiation collector blast door?

I was the one that C4'd the first door to get out and help him prevent, as he left me trapped between the two entrance engineering doors. :')

[HalfdeadKiller]

The engine monitoring room can be locked down with blast doors which are un-hackable. The engine room also has most of it's entrance doors locked down with metal blast doors which are also un-hackable. The only way through those doors is to either blow them up with C4, or short circuit the APC powering them, and then pry them with a crowbar. The engine room blast doors are powered by the engine room APC I believe, which also powers the engine coolant pumps and such. The only way to get to that APC if the blast doors are down is to blow open those blast doors with C4, at which point getting to the APC is unneeded.

Edit: Seems I mis-read. We are talking about the radiation collector doors apparently. Nevermind.

[TR-BlackDragon]

[Alright for this ones report on Skycave1 AKA Twich. I Have come to the conclusion that he did even if it was on accident, Blow up the Engines APC essentially breaking the Engine for the entire round. He used C-4 instead of taking the long way and just hacking his way threw like he had to get in. He even admitted that he did wrong here. His judgement from what i can tell as he kept going threw engineering like he did he wasn't aware of the layout of the engine room.and had no idea the APC was there on the wall. So from my findings i would recommend either a stern warning to a 6 hour ban. Along with an added note of the transgression.

[WyattH]

He used C-4 instead of taking the long way and just hacking his way threw like he had to get in. He even admitted that he did wrong here. His judgement from what i can tell as he kept going threw engineering like he did he wasn't aware of the layout of the engine room and had no idea the APC was there on the wall.

No.

The C4 that blew up the APC was not an accident or him not knowing the location, he had already blown through the top door of Engine Electrical Maintenance and the proceeded to blow off Engine Radiation Collector Access, which is when I came in and tried to stop them.
The C4 that blew up the APC he placed after I started to try to stop him, he already had blown his ways in and out of the engine room already, the C4 that blew up the APC was not needed to blow more doors or anything, it was just to fuck the APC.

TR-Blackdragon please read the logs better and recheck this, you will be able to clearly see when he placed the other C4 charge and on what door and be able to see that it WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT. He placed it right next to the APC. C4's blast radius goes in 1 tile around of affecting other things that aren't as strong as walls and doors.


Here is a helpful diagram:
1 - blowing the north door to get into the engine room
2 - blowing the engine blast doors and containment on his way into grief the engine
3 - blowing the southern door next to the APC to take it down

helpfuldiagram.png

[TR-BlackDragon]

No.

The C4 that blew up the APC was not an accident or him not knowing the location, he had already blown through the top door of Engine Electrical Maintenance and the proceeded to blow off Engine Radiation Collector Access, which is when I came in and tried to stop them.
The C4 that blew up the APC he placed after I started to try to stop him, he already had blown his ways in and out of the engine room already, the C4 that blew up the APC was not needed to blow more doors or anything, it was just to fuck the APC.

TR-Blackdragon please read the logs better and recheck this, you will be able to clearly see when he placed the other C4 charge and on what door and be able to see that it WAS NOT AN ACCIDENT. He placed it right next to the APC. C4's blast radius goes in 1 tile around of affecting other things that aren't as strong as walls and doors.


Here is a helpful diagram:
1 - blowing the north door to get into the engine room
2 - blowing the engine blast doors and containment on his way into grief the engine
3 - blowing the southern door next to the APC to take it down

helpfuldiagram.png

Hmm.... Seems i missed that third one in the log.. OK Well then. Give me a moment to reevaluate with the new information.

[TR-BlackDragon]

Ok so after gathering more info I also find that skycave1 did blowup the lower door after seeing that the apc was next to it and recommend a 6 hour ban at minimum.

[Feweh]

You have the most relaxed ban times ever dragon I swear.

The guy intentionally caused damage and could of ruined the round for everyone involved. When events effect a large majority of the players on the server.. think larger.

Usually when a investigation is needed its for a banning that requires more than a few hours as well.

[apophis775]

Ok, based on the results on the investigation, for this topic, I'm giving skycave a 1 day ban.

In the future, don't blow your way into areas on your own ship, your an engineer, Hack.

[SASoperative]

Resolved and moved.