Alien/Marine Balance Rant

[Butterrobber202]

Helmets (That block the main attack plan of Aliens,AKA Huggers)
Medic Supplies
Engineer Class that can near INSTANTLY Weld Vents/Doors/Lockers to block alien movement
Non-Bullet Block Building Items, (Grilles,Tables,Plasteel Barricades) (Aliens CANT get through these almost always requiring Acid, THAT takes time, and get Shot Selected, said Item/Barricade)
Fire Grenades (Extreme XENO Weakness)
Frag Grenades
Webbing to hold almost EVERYTHING (That is small)
Supply Drops
Orbital Bombardment
Stronger SL Helmets that can block 2 Huggers and have Cameras in them
Special Ammo

Aliens- (What we are Missing, NOT what we have)
We do not have:
-Special Barricades that can harm the Marines and allow US to Spit/Pounce/Throw Huggers through
-Super OP Armor (The Crusher does not count as he has to be facing a certain Way to do so,while Helmets,SL, and Spc block no matter WHICH way they face, and the Armor still protects from Slashing.
-Easy to Use, and Plausible in many Situations, Special Ranged attack (Ahem, Snipers,SADARS,Grenades,Smartgun,Flame thrower,Frag,and Fire Grenades)
-Quick Medical Regeneration( notice, QUICK . Weeds are not QUICK, and weeds are easy to destroy)
-(Major) A Good Amount of DEDICATED Players (Unlike Marines who most people on CM are pros and LOVE to Play, but people dont like Xenos because they are almost always the Losing Team)
-We cant unweld Vents like we could in Pre-Alpha (Not to my Knowledge)
-(Major) We don't have a Higher Command to assist us in the Round
-We have little Storage Space For Huggers, While Marines have, Backpack,Belt,Armor,Webbing to store ammo to C4 to Beacons
-(Major) We don't have any Assistance (Comparing this to Supply Drops, Idk what Aliens would get but we need SOMETHING)



Disclaimers: This is a RANT, because I was pretty darn Angry at the Time.
NOT ALL OF THIS MAY BE ACCURATE
I know I didn't add a "What Aliens HAVE" Due to it being pretty Small, but I will add it if it is Requested
I know not all of this is Plausible because they are Aliens.



Notes:
I really just wrote this because Marines get all this new Stuff and Buffs, while they Get beat by some New Alien Tac they Run to the Fourms to get it Nerfed to Hell.

[apophis775]

Pre-alpha unwelding was a glitch...
It was literally "I used a hugger and the vent unwelded".

[ParadoxSpace]

He means Melt Vent.

[Toroic]

A good crusher can take down welded doors and girders like they're nothing.

Ravagers and queens are immune to fire.

Carriers can carry 8 huggers at once.

Crushers are near-immune to explosives (except AP SADAR)

Win rates aren't even (xeno minors aren't wins to anyone) but marines are NOT as a whole either a cohesive unit or competent.

Most rounds marines are their own worst enemy.

[Troydav98]

A good crusher can take down welded doors and girders like they're nothing.

Ravagers and queens are immune to fire.

Carriers can carry 8 huggers at once.

Crushers are near-immune to explosives (except AP SADAR)

Win rates aren't even (xeno minors aren't wins to anyone) but marines are NOT as a whole either a cohesive unit or competent.

Most rounds marines are their own worst enemy.

Also most of the time the grilles are electrified so ur fucked even if your a crusher

[Troydav98]

Also this Rant is not complete because i helped him in making this post some of the
RANT is missing

[Azmodan412]

Also most of the time the grilles are electrified so ur fucked even if your a crusher

Crushers crush E-grilles.

[Troydav98]

Crushers crush E-grilles.

True but if you have stupid team mates

[Azmodan412]

True but if you have stupid team mates

Then you die if there are firing lines. If there isn't, except one or two marines there, you can get up and moonwalk to safety.

[TheQueen]

Honestly, there really isn't any balance. It's either the Marines are too strong or the Aliens are too strong. It's kinda why I just stuck with observing and chatting with admins. Certain things of the game bug me and to me, it makes it unfair. But I just deal with it and don't play that often.

[DernSquirrels^3]

This really is rant-y.

Helmets (That block the main attack plan of Aliens,AKA Huggers)

I don't really see how this should even be a point of debate for nerfing marines. It blocks ONE hugger and that's it, you need a new helmet.

Medic Supplies

Logic. The USCM a professional military, of course they're going to have field medics.

Engineer Class that can near INSTANTLY Weld Vents/Doors/Lockers to block alien movement

What else would an engineer do? They're a support class in the squad.

Non-Bullet Block Building Items, (Grilles,Tables,Plasteel Barricades) (Aliens CANT get through these almost always requiring Acid, THAT takes time, and get Shot Selected, said Item/Barricade)

Aliens have resin structures too. Why are you getting upset over tables and plasteel barricades? Bug zappers/grilles I can understand.

Fire Grenades (Extreme XENO Weakness)

Yeah, and? They're not that good. It's, what, a 4x4 blast radius? It's really only useful for flushing out xenos and even then it doesn't do that much of a good job.

Frag Grenades

Marines have plenty of factors against them. Lag, their fellow marines, etc.

Webbing to hold almost EVERYTHING (That is small)

O...okay? You have to order it, and even then it's at most three extra slots for spare ammo/frags.

Supply Drops

A professional military with a logistics chain? Come on now, man.

Orbital Bombardment

I dunno, shoot me. Why not give marines portable mortars?

Stronger SL Helmets that can block 2 Huggers and have Cameras in them

It's an expensive helmet that is given to NCOs.

Special Ammo

Okay?

I'm gonna skip over some parts of your rant because this post is getting long.

-Easy to Use, and Plausible in many Situations, Special Ranged attack (Ahem, Snipers,SADARS,Grenades,Smartgun,Flame thrower,Frag,and Fire Grenades)

You're basically saying, "Why do marines have guns?"

You gotta understand that the marines and aliens are not only two different factions but two different species entirely, and they're going to use different tactics.

[Halinder]

Honestly my biggest problem out of anything is e-grilles. God, they're a pain in the ass. Since the Queen and Ravager are immune to fire, maybe they should be immune to e-grilles, too.

The rest of the rant, though, I have problems agreeing with. You're requesting that xenos get the exact same buffs as marines do, but considering that these are two asymmetrical forces, that seems like a bad idea.

Xenos are strong in melee while marines are strong at range -- it's been that way and should continue being that way.

Xenos being able to carry 2 huggers (excluding carriers) is a good thing. That means one xeno can take out one marine, or two if the marines have weakened helmets. It encourages them to stay the hell away from groups unless they have multiple huggers, and upholds a reliance on the hive.

An Empress overwatch role might be kind of cool -- powerful psionic ability to see out of any purple sac of weeds like some sort of xeno AI, but other than that, I don't think any outside forces should be too involved.

[DernSquirrels^3]

Honestly my biggest problem out of anything is e-grilles. God, they're a pain in the ass. Since the Queen and Ravager are immune to fire, maybe they should be immune to e-grilles, too.

The rest of the rant, though, I have problems agreeing with. You're requesting that xenos get the exact same buffs as marines do, but considering that these are two asymmetrical forces, that seems like a bad idea.

Xenos are strong in melee while marines are strong at range -- it's been that way and should continue being that way.

Xenos being able to carry 2 huggers (excluding carriers) is a good thing. That means one xeno can take out one marine, or two if the marines have weakened helmets. It encourages them to stay the hell away from groups unless they have multiple huggers, and upholds a reliance on the hive.

An Empress overwatch role might be kind of cool -- powerful psionic ability to see out of any purple sac of weeds like some sort of xeno AI, but other than that, I don't think any outside forces should be too involved.

Yeah, I'll give 'em e-grilles. They're really a detriment to both sides, seeing as how any marine that runs into them is most likely going to go into shock because of the hallos damage they get from burns.

[Troydav98]

This really is rant-y.
I don't really see how this should even be a point of debate for nerfing marines. It blocks ONE hugger and that's it, you need a new helmet.
Logic. The USCM a professional military, of course they're going to have field medics.
What else would an engineer do? They're a support class in the squad.
Aliens have resin structures too. Why are you getting upset over tables and plasteel barricades? Bug zappers/grilles I can understand.
Yeah, and? They're not that good. It's, what, a 4x4 blast radius? It's really only useful for flushing out xenos and even then it doesn't do that much of a good job.
Marines have plenty of factors against them. Lag, their fellow marines, etc.
O...okay? You have to order it, and even then it's at most three extra slots for spare ammo/frags.
A professional military with a logistics chain? Come on now, man.
I dunno, shoot me. Why not give marines portable mortars?
It's an expensive helmet that is given to NCOs.
Okay?

I'm gonna skip over some parts of your rant because this post is getting long.
You're basically saying, "Why do marines have guns?"

You gotta understand that the marines and aliens are not only two different factions but two different species entirely, and they're going to use different tactics.

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Like i've said its longer than this

[Troydav98]

Yeah, I'll give 'em e-grilles. They're really a detriment to both sides, seeing as how any marine that runs into them is most likely going to go into shock because of the hallos damage they get from burns.

Its not the E-grilles that i hate its the Grilles that we cant get threw cause when we try we get shot to fucking death

[Troydav98]

Also another shit about our resin it is shit i have made 10 layers of that shit and you fucking marines go shoot threw it like no problem (which is getting fixed)

[monkeysfist101]

-Quick Medical Regeneration( notice, QUICK . Weeds are not QUICK, and weeds are easy to destroy)

I'm going to call bullshit right there. Compare three pistol rounds to the chest for a marine and for a xeno. The xeno runs onto weeds for AT MOST one minute and returns to full health. A marine, however now has to leave the battle completely and receive lengthy surgery to return to full health. Honestly, this list's saltier than the Dead Sea. I mean come on. You mentioned that xenos have, "little Storage Space For Huggers." How many times in canon sources have you seen anything other than the carrier even look at a hugger?

[Hycinth]

Its not the E-grilles that i hate its the Grilles that we cant get threw cause when we try we get shot to fucking death

Praes and spitters can break grilles with heavy spit. It only takes two spits as a prae, which is 10 seconds.

[Butterrobber202]

Jesus Christ, Remember this is a Rant.

Most of it IS Bullshit

[Troydav98]

Praes and spitters can break grilles with heavy spit. It only takes two spits as a prae, which is 10 seconds.

Due to my stuipiedness of not looking at the accepted suggestion forms I was wrong and they fixed this issue