Runner slashing infected nested hosts

[WyattH]

Their character name: Runner (19)

Their Byond key: Don't know it

Approximate time and date of the incident: 8:50AM CST

What rule(s) were broken: Xeno specific rule 1 Do not Kill infected hosts (once they have the icon) if they are defenseless or nested. It's counter-productive to your cause of spreading.

Description of the incident: Runner (19) Slashing hosts that have the infected icon that are nested, also on being informed via looc that it isn't allowed said they didn't care

Evidence (screenshots, logs, etc):

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Edwin 'Pumper' Vancliff struggles to break free of the gelatinous resin...
  The dead the alien decays into a mass of acid and chitin.
Runner (19) has slashed at Edwin 'Pumper' Vancliff!
Runner (19) has slashed at Edwin 'Pumper' Vancliff!
Runner (19) has slashed at Edwin 'Pumper' Vancliff!
Runner (19) has slashed at Edwin 'Pumper' Vancliff!
Runner (19) has slashed at Edwin 'Pumper' Vancliff!

How you would punish the accused: Warn and note at least since they didn't care about the rule at all

[SUPERMAN112]

So, the rules clearly says do not KILL infected hosts, which I never did, I slashed you a bit, put you in orange as the picture above shows, but I did not kill you. So the rule you listed was not broken, also I never said I didn't care I said that you clearly meta-gamed, and gave you my reasoning for slashing you.

You and your friend charged the caves IMMEDIATELY upon touching down and went full blown rambo, unless you were talking to the survivor over radio, which is possible (but unlikely as he had just found us himself when you attacked), this qualifies as meta/using information your character wouldn't have IC'ly.

[WyattH]

So, the rules clearly says do not KILL infected hosts, which I never did, I slashed you a bit, put you in orange as the picture above shows, but I did not kill you. So the rule you listed was not broken, also I never said I didn't care I said that you clearly meta-gamed, and gave you my reasoning for slashing you.

You and your friend charged the caves IMMEDIATELY upon touching down and went full blown rambo, unless you were talking to the survivor over radio, which is possible (but unlikely as he had just found us himself when you attacked), this qualifies as meta/using information your character wouldn't have IC'ly.

A tip friend, if a marine isn't named Wyatt, it isnt me.

[SUPERMAN112]

so... why did you make this report if you were not directly affected?

[M00nman]

SUPERMAN, i remember you from a few rounds ago. You were calling meta on marines using mines on doorways (they weren't hidden, they are dark blue and the ground is dark grey-blueish, your dead body was hiding it more than anything). You were calling meta on people shooting and killing you, and you generally were salty about anything not going your way, and now you're straight up breaking rules?

I'd say chill out, even if you're not banned, you will if you continue with the retarded behaviour.

Also people can report anything they see, most of the time reports are from ghosts rather than the people being affected.

[SUPERMAN112]

okay, yes people can report anything they see, but I didn't break any rules, I slashed a nested marine, didn't kill him. So no I'm not straight up breaking the rules. And yes the mines were hidden, but that is not the topic of this forum, what is in question is whether or not i broke the rules here. They killed the queen, so clearly they were dangerous, I killed one, and kept the other, I kept the alien goal of infecting, I didn't kill both of them. I nested him and slashed him 5 times, not that much damage, I did it to protect myself if he got loose. He did later get loose and nearly killed me, now imaging if there were two? I would have died, and I was the only alien (marine major). The only reason he didn't kill me was because he fell over from his wounds. Also he still bursted.

Now the reason I was asking why they reported me was because the marines clearly were meta-gaming, going to the hive at round start and trying to win a round with very few people on. Why not report that? which was much more of an obvious violation of the rules

[Feweh]

Youre skating the rules and knowingly trying to get by it. Harming marines who are nested and infected isnt allowed.

Enough with that bullshit right now because itll only get you in more trouble

[SUPERMAN112]

if harming nested marines isn't allowed then why not just say that in the rules? it says do not kill specifically. I do not really understand what you think I'm doing... please tell me what a better option would have been. I was forced to make my choice to slash him because they both attacked the hive WAY too early, if they had not meta-gamed (could have been informed by survivor, but again unlikely) if they had not done that I wouldn't have been put in that situation. I am in no way trying to "knowingly get by", if you don't want nested marines being slashed at all clarify your rules and change it to slash/harm instead of kill. But the rules are very explicit is saying kill, it's not vague at all, pretty much saying that some slashing is allowed (again if you don't want that amend the rules). Why am I to be blamed for not reading the rules the way you want me to?

And why is it that I can get in more trouble for peacefully arguing my case? that feels very unfair... someone makes a report about me, I come on to try and defend it and pretty much get told to shut up or else. Also are you ever going to address the marine's attacking at round start? or will I need to make a separate report?

[Feweh]

Make a seperate report.

As Apop has stated, if he had to make a rule covering EVERYTHING he'd have to write a book.

Use some common fucking sense in the future. Its not you job to discipline people in-game for breaking server rules. You didnt need to harm infected nested marines who were basically done for.

Just wait for a Admin to come in and finish this up now.

[SUPERMAN112]

I have heard him say that, and I understand what he means, don't be a dick spans a lot, there are inferred rules, but I did use common sense. If you check the logs the wounded marine almost killed me, I was put in near crit, the only reason i did not die is because I slashed him and he fell over. So there was a reason, being that I was the only alien and the nests were very poor, all being close to each-other, making re-nesting very hard. I wasn't dishing out my justice by slashing him I was ensuring I would survive.

I don't know what I did that lacked common sense, I feared a rambo marine getting up and killing me/larva (only 1 alien, if I die game-over man), so I slashed him a few times, not to death which is not allowed in the rules. I'm sorry if what was meant was not don't kill infected nested marines and don't harm or slash infected marines. But i mean the round that just ended I saw a bunch of xenos slashing a killing nested marines during a sulaco raid, and none of them were banned, so clearly it's not the most "well enforced" rules, not that it makes what I did okay.

[Inaf]

Sorry to intrude, but it is a pity when:
1. You are a runner, that pesky alien that dies from anything. And your tackle chance is slightly above Z-E-R-O
2. You are watching captured hosts ALONE
3. Hosts tend to break free, help each other and KILL you and the nest
4. You cannot stun them since they are already hugged

In order to survive and keep at least some of the hosts till the burst you WILL have to harm them otherwise they kill you.
Applying here "DO NOT KILL INFECTED"-rule would be incredibly destructive for player experience.

[SASoperative]

Alright well here is the thing about that.
Runners are not supposed to be the babysitters. That is the Sentinel/spitters job. Thats why they have a high tackle chance.... Regardless killing a infected host while in a nest regardless is against the rules. And if this was a survivor they can B line straight to the caves. If it was a marine than they got what was probably coming to them for not even waiting to build a FOB or for help. Regardless of who started it neither parties are in the right here.. I will have staff check logs and investigate further if possible.
If no one steps up I will do it myself

[TR-BlackDragon]

I'll investigate this in about an hour or so. Gotta exam I got to take then I'll be able to.

Edit: sorry took longer then expected, friend came over. Will investigate asap

[Inaf]

Alright well here is the thing about that.
Runners are not supposed to be the babysitters.

He said he was the only living non-AFK alien. That means he could not find more suitable class to look after marines.
If it is true and if he is giong to be punished according to the rule...That means that rule is wrong and has to be changed.

[SASoperative]

He said he was the only living non-AFK alien. That means he could not find more suitable class to look after marines.
If it is true and if he is giong to be punished according to the rule...That means that rule is wrong and has to be changed.

A rule should not be changed due to a scenario that can happen within the game. A rule is a set of guidelines that a player is required to follow in order to keep order with the server in order to progress the game and keep it balanced. If anything he could have Ahelped for a new queen if no staff were online and he was the only non AFK alien at that point he was more or less just extending the game further than it needed to go on for.

[SUPERMAN112]

I was not extending the round further than it had to go, the round started with around 8 people i believe and went up to around 20-40, that round went on for another 2-4 hours because I infected some monkeys and the players joining became aliens, the round went of for a much longer duration. I was the only alien period, as there hadn't even been enough time for larva to burst, that is how quickly they attacked. I knew from the sheer amount of people who just joined that there would be people ready to become aliens, so no I was not just prolonging the round unnecessarily

I do think the rule should be modified, that is if you don't want aliens slashing or harming nested hosts at all. If you don't want them killing nested hosts the rules are fine as is, but if you are going to punish people for harming nested hosts I do think the rules should be amended. I think if something can be implied from the rules then it is fine, for example if the rule said harm then not killing nested marines falls under the umbrella of don't kill then, however as it is now harming doesn't fall under the umbrella of killing. What we are talking about is not a scenario it is a clarification of a set rule.

Again my reason for slashing him was not out of some metagrudge, or powergameing, I didn't want the 20+ people who just joined to have a round restart immediately so I ensured that the round would go on, I did what was best for the server. I myself find it very annoying when someone prolongs a round for another 2 hours, but that is simply not what I was doing. I couldn't have very well a-helped for a new queen because there were no larva and I'm not sure if there was an admin online (could have been, wasn't really checking).

[RoswellRay]

Alright well here is the thing about that.
Runners are not supposed to be the babysitters. That is the Sentinel/spitters job. Thats why they have a high tackle chance.... Regardless killing a infected host while in a nest regardless is against the rules. And if this was a survivor they can B line straight to the caves. If it was a marine than they got what was probably coming to them for not even waiting to build a FOB or for help. Regardless of who started it neither parties are in the right here.. I will have staff check logs and investigate further if possible.
If no one steps up I will do it myself

My byond key is chris1464 you can see me in the logs. What I witnessed that round was the two marines taking the shuttle then immediately rushing the caves (the survivor also showed up 5 minutes before with a grenade launcher and was captured) and sadaring the queen. Then like tards they walked into huggers, at which point the runner went to nest the two, he decapped one and crippled the other. I'm not going to comment on whether or not he broke the rules,that's for the admins to decide but ingame I think he was justified,the marines bumrushed their nest and the runner was the only living alien when they blitzed the queen (leaving it with no hivemind and really removing the orders to keep hosts alive from it). It now had to deal with 3 armed, captured marines and without knowledge of how many more might be out there alone due to the marines meta rush leaving the hive no time to grow and provide castes to deal with it.

[SASoperative]

To be honest neither side was in the right from marines or aliens. I am locking this and considering it as resolved before I just punish both parties.