queston, why is dragging powerpacks meta

[Siserith Vassada]

it seems to make no sense is against any form of common sense to take a spare ammo, this is the equivilant of saying, hey marines, you cant take any magazines.

[Feweh]

Already discussing moving it under powergaming.

[Siserith Vassada]

and then how is it powergaming, this is like saying, taking any spare ammo is breaking a rule... which is kind of bs...

[Seehund]

Your spare ammo is in the pack you are carrying on your back. There is no reason for you to take ANOTHER *PACK* of ammo and lug it around.

[Siserith Vassada]

the powerpack and armour is an extension of the gun, again, what this rule is saying, you cant take any spare ammo, which again, is compelte and utter*cough*bullshit*cough*

[Yottawhat]

Should a Standard Marine be dragging a satchel full of rifle magazines around with him? What about a Medic who emptied their vending machine and is carrying it all in a locker. If both of those are considered metagaming, then why would dragging around a powerpack be okay?

[Siserith Vassada]

because this is exactly the equivilant of saying, a marine cant take a belt AND backpack of ammo.... , or a even a single spare mag for his gun.

[Lorenz Artz]

When military units are deployed on a scale similar to the Squads of the Sulaco on what is deemed to be a Search and Rescue mission, they bring only enough gear for a small intervention. By no means they are meant to act like a small army, unless the situation really goes haywire. While it may not be properly reflected in the game, military gear is highly expensive and shouldn't be wasted without proper reason.

For all marines know, they are facing with most likely pirates or another similar level threat, by which the gear they have on both belt and backpack should be more than enough in order to either solve or initiate conflict. If, and as it usualy is, the threat proves to be far superior to what was expected, then the Sulaco crew is tasked with delivering the much needed supplies to the marines down on the planet.



This, isn't realistic in any given manner. So in my opinion, anything that you need to drag behind you that isn't let's say, a fuel kit, is indeed falling under the metagame bar. Are there situations when it isn't? Well, when survivors manage to contact the Sulaco and inform that murdering aliens genocided the planet, I think it would deem the dragging ammunition problem perhaphs, nullified. But as stated, this is a very -RARE- situation.

[Siserith Vassada]

but this also isnt a problem of taking more than you can carry, you need two hands to fire the smartgun, so if you have a single spare pack, you have to drag it behind you, but dragging a single spare pack behind you in any situation is aparantly meta, and thats my problem with it.

[Lorenz Artz]

I am not entirely aware of the specifics of the powerpack, meaning if it can or cannot be placed inside a backpack. If they can't, however, I don't see why a smartgunner later in the engagement wouldn't be allowed to take one during an assault. On the first wave, however, It's big no in my opinion. In the pack you have within the gun, there's enough power to make you last a good while, much more when you are not dealing with T3 ayy lmaos.

In fact, I've had smartgunners leave the extra powerpack with me while I was an RO in order to supply drop it in case of need. Sounds like an interesting solution.

[Siserith Vassada]

powerpacks also contain the ammo, which tends to evaporate in about two or three minutes of real combat.

[Derpislav]

The problem is not being not allowed to drag a quite heavy and bulky pack behind you (apparently with the power of your mind, since your hands remain free), it's the powerpack only holding enough ammo for 4 reloads. A marine belt holds 40 bullets more for the M4, and leaves your backpack slot free for even more.

But larger powerpacks are already suggested.

[Egorkor]

The problem is not being not allowed to drag a quite heavy and bulky pack behind you (apparently with the power of your mind, since your hands remain free), it's the powerpack only holding enough ammo for 4 reloads. A marine belt holds 40 bullets more for the M4, and leaves your backpack slot free for even more.

But larger powerpacks are already suggested.

you underestimate the power of teeth.

[Steelpoint]

The problem may be that its far easier to resupply ammo for a M41A than for a Smartgun, not to mention the Smartgun heavily emphasizses to the user, via game play mechanics, to be very liberal in firing the weapon all the time in a suppression capacity. This leads you to firing your bullets off very fast and quickly than anyone with a M41A would.

[Siserith Vassada]

and it's hella effective in that role if you got a competant user, but i've found many times i can run out of ammo before doing true damage in a supressing role or just to keep the xenos from getting too close or from placing resin.

[ParadoxSpace]

How are you even pulling it?

[Steelpoint]

If the problem is not enough ammo then let's buff the ammo in a powerpack, say double or even triple it if you're a madman.

Please don't compare a Smartgun's ammo total to a M41A's. The two weapons are significantly different both by mechanics and by usage, one is a standard battle rifle with limited magazine size while the other is meant to be sprayed like a hose on a dry patch of grass non-stop.

[LordLoko]

Don't forget that THIS is a smartgun:



It requires both of your hands to hold it and shoot it, or you are suggesting that a third arm grow from the marine's ass and carries the powerpack around?

[Feweh]

I am not entirely aware of the specifics of the powerpack, meaning if it can or cannot be placed inside a backpack. If they can't, however, I don't see why a smartgunner later in the engagement wouldn't be allowed to take one during an assault. On the first wave, however, It's big no in my opinion. In the pack you have within the gun, there's enough power to make you last a good while, much more when you are not dealing with T3 ayy lmaos.

In fact, I've had smartgunners leave the extra powerpack with me while I was an RO in order to supply drop it in case of need. Sounds like an interesting solution.

This ^

You guys ever seen the movie Black Hawk Down?
Part of a major issue in that whole operation was that they deployed with only basic equipment. They didnt take extra mags, food or supplies because the operation they were initially doing didnt call for it.

Theres even a scene where one of the guys is trying to bring extra ammo and another guy tells him not to bother with the extra weight because itll be a short mission.

The situation changed when it turned into a long drawn out skirmish though and they were under-supplied for the mission.

Pretty much the same thing with CM, its a simple search and rescue mission that shouldnt require a lot of ammo or supplies. Yet you arent aware of the real situation till youre already there and have to rely on other ways to get the proper supplies.

[GGgobbleCC]

I always take the cardboard boxes in the mess hall, fill them with ammo and put them in my backpack and then fill my armor with ammo and my pockets with ammo when I play marine so I have ammo in my ammo. Over 900 rounds of ammo easy.

[Disco Dalek]

I always take the cardboard boxes in the mess hall, fill them with ammo and put them in my backpack and then fill my armor with ammo and my pockets with ammo when I play marine so I have ammo in my ammo. Over 900 rounds of ammo easy.

Too bad boxes no longer fit in backpacks...

[Davidchan]

Still just a damn shame that Autogun is underpowered. At the very least, it needs a 100 round mag and the power packs up to hold 400 rounds spare, but even that isn't going to fix this weapon to make it viable and not some newb trap.

[Bath Salts Addict]

Should a Standard Marine be dragging a satchel full of rifle magazines around with him? What about a Medic who emptied their vending machine and is carrying it all in a locker. If both of those are considered metagaming, then why would dragging around a powerpack be okay?

Actually, Marines can take extra backpacks full of stuff without getting bwoinked, but God forbid they take it in a locker.

I've seen rounds where Marines who bring down two backpacks full of ammo and supplies are heralded as a god amongst men. Whenever someone gets informed lockers in briefing are against the rules, it's always followed by an LOOC message of "just take a backpack lol"

[Reznoriam]

I think the difference is between carrying your equipment, and dragging the equipment. If you're dragging equipment around it's just like you're stocking up way over the top. If you're carrying a pack in your hand you're carrying what you can haul.

Personally whenever I go smartgun I do carry the spare powerpack in my hand because I know resupplies aren't readily available and cargo personnel can't get to any of the vendors to grab the spares. I think the rule is interpreted as you can bring what you can carry, but don't drag anything with you.

[Gentlefood]

I think the difference is between carrying your equipment, and dragging the equipment. If you're dragging equipment around it's just like you're stocking up way over the top. If you're carrying a pack in your hand you're carrying what you can haul.

Personally whenever I go smartgun I do carry the spare powerpack in my hand because I know resupplies aren't readily available and cargo personnel can't get to any of the vendors to grab the spares. I think the rule is interpreted as you can bring what you can carry, but don't drag anything with you.

I got yelled at for carrying it around in my hand because the wording made me think it was only to prevent you from dragging it behind you. So no, carrying the second power pack down at all is against the rules now.