Impossible to Slash Nested Hosts

[Fortport]

Summary (a quick, 2-3 sentence summary):It should be impossible to slash nested people in every situation, and people should be given a warning on its attempt. In hindsight, I was banned for this, but it could've been preventable. Nobody wants to read an obscure rulebook somewhere. I thought that I had a say in whether or not a nested person could live, and I justified it with the amount of larvae and stuff we had back at the planet. The reason I'm explaining this other thing is because I didn't think it was against the rules.

Benefits (How this will benefit the server and game as a whole):Making it impossible to slash nested people would benefit newer players and perhaps intermediates on the alien team. Though I really think it's only against the rules because it can hurt fresh starts of the round or because people have to WAIT FIVE MINUTES after being killed compared to the instant chest-burst. Then again, if xenomorph is on in their settings they still get an instant chest-burst before their timer is ready. Might make a suggestion on that later.

Details (Description of how you think this would work, the benefits, etc):Basically you try to slash a nested person and then something pops up in the chat box. "No. It is against the rules to slash nested and infected individuals."

Implementation (Optional, if you have an idea how to implement it):I have no idea about coding.

[forwardslashN]

Nobody wants to read an obscure rulebook somewhere.

The queen can kill nested hosts, though there is absolutely no reason to do so. In the two minutes it took you to make this suggestion, you could have read the rules instead.

[Seehund]

obscure rulebook

Not very obscure when it can be found:
- On the forums - as an announcement, no less.

- From a handy button in Dream Seeker.

- Two separate times upon joining a round, and whenever the round restarts.




DESPITE ALL THAT,
I actually agree with this suggestion.
No reason for you to even be able to slash nested hosts, when it's against the rules.
But then again, I don't see why we need to enforce it with code when a short read would do.

[Sargeantmuffinman]

I'd rather have it so that the queen can regulate if you can slash the infected or not.

Like an on and off switch such as the slash system.

And including your idea of not slashing the infected and nested hosts.

[Fortport]

The queen can kill nested hosts, though there is absolutely no reason to do so. In the two minutes it took you to make this suggestion, you could have read the rules instead.

I was not a queen at the time, but I was a ravager. Making this suggestion isn't going to undo my ban and neither will reading the rules; it's not an appeal.

I didn't read the rules because most rules are common sense and about OOC conduct. Intentional griefing falls into the rules, and that's what I wasn't playing to do. If a game mechanic is a no-no, and not allowed in any situation, then you can just make it impossible. That's why you can't suicide, for example.

[forwardslashN]

I didn't read the rules because most rules are common sense and about OOC conduct. Intentional griefing falls into the rules, and that's what I wasn't playing to do. If a game mechanic is a no-no, and not allowed in any situation, then you can just make it impossible. That's why you can't suicide, for example.

I really didn't want to respond, but do you honestly believe that? Protecting you from your own ignorance isn't really what game mechanics are for. And yes, you can suicide, though not by using the verb.

[Seehund]

I was not a queen at the time, but I was a ravager. Making this suggestion isn't going to undo my ban and neither will reading the rules; it's not an appeal.

I didn't read the rules because most rules are common sense and about OOC conduct. Intentional griefing falls into the rules, and that's what I wasn't playing to do. If a game mechanic is a no-no, and not allowed in any situation, then you can just make it impossible. That's why you can't suicide, for example.

Sorry, but that's just plain bad.
We're a niche server, with quite a few unique rules.

Let it be said once and for all, IGNORANCE IS NOT AN EXCUSE.

I suggest you actually go through them.

[TR-BlackDragon]

So if this became a thing, then it would have to cross check I'd the nested was infected or not. So something along the lines of........ check var nested if yes then check var infected if yes than do this if no then end runtime

[Fortport]

Sure, I'll have to look at the rules. As for suicide, you are still slapped with a stop sign if you just try to verb it.

I do know some rules, despite having not read them. Take the predator's honor, or the fact that the commander cannot go planetside. Not all staff are allowed to wield two-handed weapons, either. I even learned that military police cannot carry weapons when there isn't an emergency. These are things that you cannot stop people from doing with mechanics, as it would be too complicated to do. Killing nested people is something else, as it's not too complicated if it were to be disallowed.

If I had shot people for no reason or bombed the station, then I'd have no excuse. In my case, I killed an enemy who was prone, helpless, and soon to become an alien because I figured they would turn into an alien anyway. Before I was banned, my actions felt justified. But I digress, as it was undeniably wrong in the end. There's the suggestion itself, for what it's worth.

So if this became a thing, then it would have to cross check I'd the nested was infected or not. So something along the lines of........ check var nested if yes then check var infected if yes than do this if no then end runtime

I don't know if that's easy or not.

[Seehund]

Yes, the thread was derailed enough.

Again, I'll keep neutral for now, I'd like to hear more on-topic discussion before taking a stance.

[DMAN]

+1 I support it being a switch like the slashing's not permitted, only if needed, and permitted levels, but with only not permitted and permitted. It should check with the slashing permissions too, so permitted nest slashing requires permitted slashing in general.

[Fortport]

+1 I support it being a switch like the slashing's not permitted, only if needed, and permitted levels, but with only not permitted and permitted. It should check with the slashing permissions too, so permitted nest slashing requires permitted slashing in general.

Why allow it under any circumstance, though? If you're going to make it a toggled thing, you may as well just make it impossible altogether. Even if the queen allowed it, it would still be against the rules for other aliens.

[DMAN]

Why allow it under any circumstance, though? If you're going to make it a toggled thing, you may as well just make it impossible altogether. Even if the queen allowed it, it would still be against the rules for other aliens.

It's a useful tactic when employed correctly, and it's under the Queen's discretion. I know the rules completely ban it outright, but there is always a chance of amendment.

[Fortport]

It's a useful tactic when employed correctly, and it's under the Queen's discretion. I know the rules completely ban it outright, but there is always a chance of amendment.

I'unno, though. If you were to disallow it for everyone but the queen and leave it un-toggleable, you would stop aliens and remind them that it's the queen's place to make executions. The queen can't order aliens to do it, either.

No one would have to ever worry about aliens intentionally or accidentally breaking this rule. You could argue that the rules would prevent players from doing this sort of thing, but the rules cannot really stop them. Just something to consider, since it's an out of character thing that could be stopped via an out of character mechanic.

[MilesWolfe]

fort has a point

[Fortport]

fort has a point

Just yesterday I saw a boiler slash a nested person six or seven times. They were still alive and survived, but you get the idea.

[Halinder]

How about it being impossible to slash nested AND infected hosts? As an alien player that sometimes combat nests to kill people as a drone, this would be hellish for me.

[Fortport]

How about it being impossible to slash nested AND infected hosts? As an alien player that sometimes combat nests to kill people as a drone, this would be hellish for me.

Sure?

[MilesWolfe]

xeno rule 1 bullet five states pretty clearly that under a few specific circumstances, can a xeo kill an infected host.
Despite this rule, xenos still slash infected hosts regardless of the the icon being present, just to put them in critical so they cant move, what instead happens is i usually die before i can burst.

[MauroVega]

I'll just -1
Drive by

[Fortport]

I'll just -1
Drive by

Is there any constructive reason why you don't approve of this suggestion?

[monkeysfist101]

Is there any constructive reason why you don't approve of this suggestion?

I'll give you one, we don't want to change the code over somebody who didn't read the rules and got salty.

[Fortport]

I'll give you one, we don't want to change the code over somebody who didn't read the rules and got salty.

I'm not being sarcastic, sour, or even upset. I don't know where you got salty from, but not wanting to change the code is fine. I was a little annoyed by being banned, but I had nobody to blame but myself. Didn't point fingers at anyone else, and instead tried to suggest something that may make things better for moderators and players alike.

[Snypehunter007]

Asking this to be locked.

[forwardslashN]

The queen can kill nested hosts, though there is absolutely no reason to do so. In the two minutes it took you to make this suggestion, you could have read the rules instead.

I was extra spicy in that reply. In more applicable sense, I do want to add a slashing restrictions to xenomorphs for the next test period, so that only free infected who can pose a danger can be slashed. Resolved.